Who is this Babylon chick anyways?

[Ferris Bueller]

I understand. We can only make judgement calls on those things we see. Allow me to perhaps open your eyes maybe just a smidgeon... Take a look at the following, consider the wide ranging and contemporary nature of the ideology behind them. View attachment 25704 View attachment 25705 View attachment 25706 View attachment 25707 View attachment 25708

Hmm...they're more of a player in the harlot system than I thought. I've been keeping an open mind about it.

 

[quietthinker]

Hmm...they're more of a player in the harlot system than I thought. I've been keeping an open mind about it.

ahhhhh, the harlot system, slipperier than a buttered eel!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

ahhhhh, the harlot system, slipperier than a buttered eel!

Yes, but the wine of her adulteries is maddening! The whole world is crazy in love with her! I see the attraction, she's hot, but it's not worth more than my relationship with Jesus.

 

[quietthinker]

Yes, but the wine of her adulteries is maddening! The whole world is crazy in love with her! I see the attraction, but it's not worth more than my relationship with Jesus.

you betcha!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

you betcha!

I added a quick edit for some editorial humor.

 

[amigo de christo]

I can't help but to always think of the 'religion' of spiritual Babylon as being pagan, not a pollution of God's true religion, like Catholicism. I just haven't been able to see Catholicism as an end-time, global religion that captures the hearts and minds of the world. In my mind a lot would have to change for that to happen. Not saying it can't. I just have a problem seeing it happening. All respect to you and your views.

Then allow me to help my friend . WHO do we really think is the one behind this entire we are movment .
Go to and behold even the protestant realm for that answer .
What are more and more leaders already saying , WE ARE CATHOLIC . That OUGHTTA TELL YA who is the one behind it .
Its not like they are saying we are all new age , THOUGH NEW AGE IS IN THIS
THEY ARE WILLFULLY Leading the peoples RIGHT BACK INTO UNITY and they dont even hide it .
Rick warren , and others , all praising POPE francis .
When the protestant false leaders all went to ROME to have a meeting with POPE francis in twenty thirteen
IT was no accident when they came back and started POINTING US RIGHT BACK IN THAT DIRECTION .
THE WHORE IS HUNGRY and the WHORE has big plans and by her all inclusive we are one religoin
SHE WILL REIGN even from JERUSALEM . THEY SO busy doing her will .
WHERE do you think this abrahamic FAITH STUFF came from .
The whore has sold her fornication to the kings of the world who do her will through politics , education and etc
The whore has captivated many even within the protestant realm .
The whore is selling her fornication that will unite all to be as one under what they THINK IS GOD
ONLY it aint and wont be GOD . JUST HE who desired to be as GOD . ITS Very plain and very clear
that the whore has massive influence over politicians and religoins of the world . Merging all to be as one
under a false sensual love . BIBLES UP CHRISTAINS , BIBLES UP BELIEVERS cause your men aint gonna point ya back to CHRIST .
THEY pointing us to another jesus , another love , another unity all of which serves the dragon and all of which
giveth and wil give the beast a system and a world ready for it .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

ITS Very plain and very clear
that the whore has massive influence over politicians and religoins of the world .

The influence of the whore in terms of the Catholic church, honestly, I haven't seen it. In terms of a capitalistic economic system, yes, I see that.

Until the influence of the Catholic church in matters of economics becomes more open and apparent it's hard for me to see them as the driving force behind the harlot system. I think capitalism and the love of money and the world is a driving force all by itself. But let's see how involved the Catholic church gets in it. @Brakelite shared some interesting news articles.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

THEY pointing us to another jesus , another love , another unity all of which serves the dragon and all of which
giveth and wil give the beast a system and a world ready for it .

I think you're making the same mistake I have made for a long time.
The harlot is not the end time world system headed by the anti-christ. The anti-christ nation and the ten kings hate the harlot and destroy it. And the anti-christ king and whatever nation he is head of rules the godless communist style economy of the world in the end times. The harlot is destroyed and off the world scene by then. Food for thought. I'm not discounting the element of the Catholic church in the end time. I just think maybe a little adjustment of the scenario needs to be made. Maybe @Brakelite has some insight into that.

 

[Davy]

The complete and utter and eternal destruction of the Great City is what prevents me from thinking the Great City is Jerusalem.

"With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again. The music of harpist and musicians, flute players and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again." Revelation 18:21-22

"the smoke from her goes up for ever and ever." Revelation 19:3​

We know that is not the destiny of literal Jerusalem at all.

There will be a LITERAL DESTRUCTION upon a portion of the city of Jerusalem on the day of Christ's coming, the "day of the Lord", even though much of the language in Revelation 18 is metaphorical about Babylon's destruction.


Rev 11:13
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
KJV

Rev 16:19
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
KJV

Zech 14:4
4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
KJV

 

[Ferris Bueller]

There will be a LITERAL DESTRUCTION upon a portion of the city of Jerusalem on the day of Christ's coming, the "day of the Lord", even though much of the language in Revelation 18 is metaphorical about Babylon's destruction.


Rev 11:13
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
KJV

Rev 16:19
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
KJV

Zech 14:4
4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
KJV

The problem I see here these are two distinct occurrences, the earthquake in Jerusalem happening at the 6th Trumpet judgment, while the destruction of the Great City, Babylon, happening later with the 7th Bowl Judgment.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The only part of that I find strange is how at the time of John it is said 'is not'. Perhaps that refers to how Rome was already defeated in the spirit, and maybe Satan had left the house?

That is the mystery. "The beast...once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss" in the future, (Revelation 17:8). I see the Abyss being opened in Revelation 9:1 when the 5th trumpet is sounded, the first of the three woes. But no mention of a beast there. Unless Apollyon, the angel of the Abyss is a reference to the beast.

@dad , I was in Revelation 11 following up on a conversation with @Davy and I found this:

"...the beast that comes up from the Abyss" Revelation 11:7​

I said there was no mention of a beast coming up out of the Abyss in Revelation 9:1 to somehow make a connection with the release of the anti-christ beast from the Abyss who "once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction" (Revelation 17:8). Well, as we can see, perhaps the fifth trumpet/first woe in Revelation 9 is describing the release of the anti-christ beast from the Abyss.

 

[dad]

@dad , I was in Revelation 11 following up on a conversation with @Davy and I found this:

"...the beast that comes up from the Abyss" Revelation 11:7​

I said there was no mention of a beast coming up out of the Abyss in Revelation 9:1 to somehow make a connection with the release of the anti-christ beast from the Abyss who "once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction" (Revelation 17:8). Well, as we can see, perhaps the fifth trumpet/first woe in Revelation 9 is describing the release of the anti-christ beast from the Abyss.

So what do you think the beast that comes up from under the earth is? The AntiChrist is a man. One assumes that means he was born on earth. Yet he is also called the beast.

So if it is a spirit that is the beast, it seems to me it has to be Satan who possesses the man in the end. Since Satan is cast to the earth, at first glance that doesn't seem to work. However we see that when he is cast down here he also has the keys to the pit. How about if he needs to go way down there to open the doors to the pit? That way he would come from the Abyss as well? Since he then possesses the antichrist that makes sense also. The man beast is possessed by the Satan beast.

 

[amigo de christo]

The influence of the whore in terms of the Catholic church, honestly, I haven't seen it. In terms of a capitalistic economic system, yes, I see that.

Until the influence of the Catholic church in matters of economics becomes more open and apparent it's hard for me to see them as the driving force behind the harlot system. I think capitalism and the love of money and the world is a driving force all by itself. But let's see how involved the Catholic church gets in it. @Brakelite shared some interesting news articles.

The whore and her daughters have taken hold upon the world and are now molding a system both political , econmincal and religous .
We can see her influence everywhere my friend . Who has the schools , the media , many leaders within churches
and politicians . She sits a queen and has been pouring her cup of fornication , under the guise of tolerance love unity
inclusivity . That infects both religions and non religous alike . The whore sleepeth not , SHE IS and SHE has power
over the nations . Whose agenda do we see at work , specially as of late . WE see a one world religion
which panders to all tribes , all religoins , secular alike . It brings them under her through a word called love
and she uses that word to build her own religoin by which the religoins will sit under her .
AND by which the world govt will have many slaves to do its bidding .
Look closely . This religion , this idea she pumps unto all tribes is one that all tribes can easily grab ahold of .
FOr she crys God is love , and makes the focus on the word love and yet preaches a love
that all , every tribe of every religion IS already accepting . AND YET its neither love NOR is it OF GOD .
SHe knows what she is doing and many are taking in full gulps out of her cup of fornication .
For her drink is a lie and all who partake of her cup shall not see GOD nor HIS LOVE but will go under HIS wrath .
SHE is a sneaky one . Cause she knows how to put good works into the equation . The very equation
by which SHE has omitted the very gospel which could have saved and replaced it with a false one that cannot save .
ALL her who drink of her cup are coming to a mindset that GOD and HIS LOVE calls good evil and evil good
accepts sins , BUT NOT TRUTH , accepts lets all get along but NOT CORRECTION .
This whore knows what she is doing and through her mindset shall the tribes , the nations of the world and its religoins
BOW as one and embrace the solution of HUMANITY and of the dragon . Its true the ten horns will burn her .
BUT WHO Do these ten horns FIRST come against , the LAMB and the Saints . ITS a pattern identical
to the pattern seen in the old testament . AND I WORRY HUGE that many are now sipping from her cup
and cannot discern her unity , her love , her we are one for the LIE IT IS . Satan knows how to use
words like love , unity and etc too .

 

[Brakelite]

It is not my contention that the Whore is a "sphere of influence". That was in reference to a previous conversation.

So, who is the Whore? You say a real entity that can't be named. Voldemort?

I see that Revelation gives the general outline and we should be able to see the correlation as time gets closer. Also the reason to rely on later prophecy. The fog of time/history.

Prophecy is designed to be understood after the fact. KJV John 13:19
19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he .
Revelation, despite the teaching of many, is not all a picture of the last few hours of Earth's history. Some is, yes, but most of it is a picture of history beginning from the time of the prophet, and continuing down through the last 2000 years culminating in the second coming. The Antichrist was correctly identified by the reformers, who not only saw the criteria applying to the Papacy from the writings of the prophets, (Daniel, Paul, and John), but experienced first hand and provided written testimony as to her character and practises. So that job is already done. Said though that very few today actually believe their testimony. They think the leopard has changed her spots, and what was accustomed to doing evil is now the good boy on the block and now has everyone's best interests at heart. As Jesus said... The last days will be marked by great deception.
The Papacy is one component of Babylon... The whore part. The beast she is riding is global government. Propped up by the state and supported by government decrees and legislation, the Papacy has no other recourse to turn to. She has no power from on High, and was always relying on state craft to validate her murders and adulteries. The Catholic Church has never relied on God for the propagation of the gospel, she replied on the state and force of arms and the compelling of conscience to extend her borders.

As to her connection to corporate power, and a few other things, see on...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So what do you think the beast that comes up from under the earth is?

The beast out of the earth is the dragon, that is, the devil, or satan, and his desire to rule the world. The various heads of the beast are the world governments that he has been allowed to have authority to establish in world history. That's where I'm at with it at this point. I'm always examining and sharpening my beliefs about the pictures in Revelation. The input and insights of my brothers and sisters is very valuable to that end.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The AntiChrist is a man. One assumes that means he was born on earth. Yet he is also called the beast.

Yes, the anti-christ is the man who heads the end-time manifestation of the devil's worldly rule, and who himself, and his government, is also referred to as a beast. That's how I'm seeing it right now.

I think the last and final manifestation of the devil's global rule (the 7th and 8th heads/kings) is communist style socialism based in the countries of Russia and China. It's a relatively modern invention and is unlike any other government/economy devised in world history. And so it is distinguished in that way from all the other heads of satan's rule of the earth before it - terrifying and cruel. It seemed to suffer a fatal blow with the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the 90's and was declared to be dead. But we see it's fatal head wound healed. Going out on a limb there, so take it for what it's worth, lol. But surely, the description of the government/economy and religion of the end-time rule of satan is communist in nature, and is in stark contrast to the whore system that has ruled over the people of the world up to that point. The whore system the end-time government of satan destroys.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So if it is a spirit that is the beast, it seems to me it has to be Satan who possesses the man in the end.

The beast is both, the devil and his spiritual agenda to rule the world, and the king and nation through which the devil and his agenda of global rule is manifest in the world at any one of the seven times that is allowed to happen in world history. The last and final manifestation of the devil and his agenda in the world is through a man, and his kingdom, and is called the anti-christ, the man of perdition.

Take it for what it's worth. I'm open to corrections and adjustments.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Since Satan is cast to the earth, at first glance that doesn't seem to work. However we see that when he is cast down here he also has the keys to the pit. How about if he needs to go way down there to open the doors to the pit? That way he would come from the Abyss as well? Since he then possesses the antichrist that makes sense also. The man beast is possessed by the Satan beast.

I would presume that the fallen star that opens the Abyss and releases satan to inhabit and control the final, end-time kingdom of the anti-christ is not satan, but rather a fallen angel given that task. That's all I can come up with about that. For now, satan is bound and can not establish his last and final king and kingdom that rules the earth. That apparently happens when the 5th Trumpet is sounded and the first woe is released on earth.

Like I say, I'm open to additional insight, corrections, and adjustments.

 

[quietthinker]

Prophecy is designed to be understood after the fact. KJV John 13:19
19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he .
Revelation, despite the teaching of many, is not all a picture of the last few hours of Earth's history. Some is, yes, but most of it is a picture of history beginning from the time of the prophet, and continuing down through the last 2000 years culminating in the second coming. The Antichrist was correctly identified by the reformers, who not only saw the criteria applying to the Papacy from the writings of the prophets, (Daniel, Paul, and John), but experienced first hand and provided written testimony as to her character and practises. So that job is already done. Said though that very few today actually believe their testimony. They think the leopard has changed her spots, and what was accustomed to doing evil is now the good boy on the block and now has everyone's best interests at heart. As Jesus said... The last days will be marked by great deception.
The Papacy is one component of Babylon... The whore part. The beast she is riding is global government. Propped up by the state and supported by government decrees and legislation, the Papacy has no other recourse to turn to. She has no power from on High, and was always relying on state craft to validate her murders and adulteries. The Catholic Church has never relied on God for the propagation of the gospel, she replied on the state and force of arms and the compelling of conscience to extend her borders.

As to her connection to corporate power, and a few other things, see on...View attachment 25724 View attachment 25725 View attachment 25726 View attachment 25727 View attachment 25728 View attachment 25729 View attachment 25730 View attachment 25731 View attachment 25732 View attachment 25733

Can't access those attachments you posted Bl. Any chance of making them accessible?

 

[DanielConway]

Look, look, look, look. Consider the context in which Revelation was written. It was a time of Roman (the pagan empire) persecution of the Church. Rome, NOT Jerusalem, was the queen of the world known to the early Christians and had a proven track record of cruelty and invincibility to every nation in that corner of the Globe. They were it and they doubtless were the mystical Babylon referred to in John's apocalypse. Those of you who have some history to you will recognize the quote "the city that sits on seven hills" as an old reference to ancient Imperial Rome and those of you who don't can just Google it for grins. The Church was groaning under Rome's thumb just like old Israel was groaning in Egypt 1500 years ago and Revelation was written in very close language to tell them that I, the Lord your God, an going to pound their balls just like I did Egypt and you will get relief.
Now, the Church did get relief under Constantine. And just like Old Israel did back then it wasn't long before God's chosen began playing the whore with her erstwhile persecutors. As a matter of fact within 40 years Christianity was made the official religion of Rome and guess what, she started getting the same treatment from God that pagan empire got, open abuse, till the whole thing collapsed in the West around 410 AD. What is the lesson? The Church's attitude towards the State should be one of respectful co-existance. We don't want to be oppressed and we don't want favoritism in return for support for a corrupt government. Listen up Trumpers and urban Black congregations! You have sold your rightful and truly caring husband, the one who truly knows what you need and keeps you on the straight path, for your respective crack mongers. Get right with your lover or he will dump you for a new bride who he can raise up out of the dirt.