Who is this Babylon chick anyways?

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Look, look, look, look. Consider the context in which Revelation was written. It was a time of Roman (the pagan empire) persecution of the Church. Rome, NOT Jerusalem, was the queen of the world known to the early Christians and had a proven track record of cruelty and invincibility to every nation in that corner of the Globe. They were it and they doubtless were the mystical Babylon referred to in John's apocalypse. Those of you who have some history to you will recognize the quote "the city that sits on seven hills" as an old reference to ancient Imperial Rome and those of you who don't can just Google it for grins. The Church was groaning under Rome's thumb just like old Israel was groaning in Egypt 1500 years ago and Revelation was written in very close language to tell them that I, the Lord your God, an going to pound their balls just like I did Egypt and you will get relief.
Now, the Church did get relief under Constantine. And just like Old Israel did back then it wasn't long before God's chosen began playing the whore with her erstwhile persecutors. As a matter of fact within 40 years Christianity was made the official religion of Rome and guess what, she started getting the same treatment from God that pagan empire got, open abuse, till the whole thing collapsed in the West around 410 AD. What is the lesson? The Church's attitude towards the State should be one of respectful co-existance. We don't want to be oppressed and we don't want favoritism in return for support for a corrupt government. Listen up Trumpers and urban Black congregations! You have sold your rightful and truly caring husband, the one who truly knows what you need and keeps you on the straight path for your respective crack mongers. Get right with your lover or he will dump you for a new bride who he can raise up out of the dirt.
Well, there's no doubt that Rome represented the adulterous, intoxicating love of the pleasures of this world in John's day. But what about now? I appreciate @Brakelite 's informative articles and how rich the Vatican is and how it's got it's fingers in the economies of the world today, but a lot would have to transpire between now and the destruction of Rome for the world to recognize it as the financial hub of the world system and mourn it's destruction. Not saying that can't happen. It's just so hard to expect that to happen.
 
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The Antichrist was correctly identified by the reformers, who not only saw the criteria applying to the Papacy from the writings of the prophets, (Daniel, Paul, and John), but experienced first hand and provided written testimony as to her character and practises. So that job is already done.
I'm seeing a discrepancy here in equating the anti-christ beast with the whore. Can you provide some insight?
 

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Some would say that Babylon is the system of this world, and I would have to agree, but if that system could be represented in a single city, that leaves lots of options.
If it represents a religious system of thought, I would say freemasonry is the most viable candidate at present, but the new age movement is introducing something new which encompasses the phenomenon of UAPs and extraterrestrial contact. All anyone can say for sure based upon scripture is that Babylon is a worldwide corrupting influence and that definition could make it Hollywood as much as any place.
If it were a representation of a corrupting political influence, then I would assume it was democracy and Babylon as a city represented by Washington D.C. (there's nothing in this world more opposed to God than "self determination.")

What does it matter in respect to anything but allegiance?
You're either in God's kingdom and a pilgrim in the world, or of the world and an enemy of God by choice.
 
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I'm seeing a discrepancy here in equating the anti-christ beast with the whore. Can you provide some insight?
Hi Ferris. Have you ever read the Westminster confession of faith? It's a relatively short document and expresses a lot of "reformed" theology. The Pastor at the Baptist church where I was baptized handed me a copy and said, "this is what we believe in, except the stuff about the Pope."
Of course, free Masonry has always had a strong foothold in the reformed churches and certainly isn't going to point a finger at its own harlotry and christless origins, nor it's corrupted and corrupting influence. When you attribute more meaning to symbols than to words themselves, you open the gate to anything and everything.
That's why Aleister Crowley could write his own law, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole law" and be accepted and taught years after his death. (He was a 33rd degree Mason and a member of many of their orders.)
 
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Yes, the anti-christ is the man who heads the end-time manifestation of the devil's worldly rule, and who himself, and his government, is also referred to as a beast. That's how I'm seeing it right now.

I think the last and final manifestation of the devil's global rule (the 7th and 8th heads/kings) is communist style socialism based in the countries of Russia and China. It's a relatively modern invention and is unlike any other government/economy devised in world history. And so it is distinguished in that way from all the other heads of satan's rule of the earth before it - terrifying and cruel. It seemed to suffer a fatal blow with the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the 90's and was declared to be dead. But we see it's fatal head wound healed. Going out on a limb there, so take it for what it's worth, lol. But surely, the description of the government/economy and religion of the end-time rule of satan is communist in nature, and is in stark contrast to the whore system that has ruled over the people of the world up to that point. The whore system the end-time government of satan destroys.
We have the same ideas on the beast. The various heads all were kingdoms headed by Satan.

We can speculate about the future and what that final evil kingdom will be like. There are a few reasons I do not agree about China and communism. One reason is that a feature of that end time whore is great commercialism and trade and costly goods, and nations being made rich. Another problem I have with that scenario is that Europe seems to be the center of the power in the final world power. I have wondered how that could be. The US and China seem more powerful these days. However, if the plan is to have these two destroy each other, then what is left? Europe, if left fairly intact would be in a powerful position. Some might say what about Russia? Well, it is widely felt that Russia will head that Ezekiel invasion against Israel with Turkey and other muslim nations. The bible is clear that they will be clobbered totally there. That also clears the way for Europe, if the muslim powers and Russia also are KOed.
 

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The beast is both, the devil and his spiritual agenda to rule the world, and the king and nation through which the devil and his agenda of global rule is manifest in the world at any one of the seven times that is allowed to happen in world history. The last and final manifestation of the devil and his agenda in the world is through a man, and his kingdom, and is called the anti-christ, the man of perdition.

Take it for what it's worth. I'm open to corrections and adjustments.
I agree that the man and Satan both are referred to as a beast in the end.
 

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I would presume that the fallen star that opens the Abyss and releases satan to inhabit and control the final, end-time kingdom of the anti-christ is not satan, but rather a fallen angel given that task. That's all I can come up with about that. For now, satan is bound and can not establish his last and final king and kingdom that rules the earth. That apparently happens when the 5th Trumpet is sounded and the first woe is released on earth.

Like I say, I'm open to additional insight, corrections, and adjustments.
When Satan is cast to earth with other 'stars' he will have a very very short time. So I could not see him having been already cast to earth for a long time. Satan has had limited access to heaven, and we see him at a meeting in heaven with God and the angels in Job. We also know he accuses us day and night before God. So I don't think we can say he is bound under the earth.
 

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Look, look, look, look. Consider the context in which Revelation was written. It was a time of Roman (the pagan empire) persecution of the Church. Rome, NOT Jerusalem, was the queen of the world known to the early Christians and had a proven track record of cruelty and invincibility to every nation in that corner of the Globe. They were it and they doubtless were the mystical Babylon referred to in John's apocalypse.
They did not get destroyed in one hour! In fact that fourth terrible beast will rise again in the end. The people from Rome that destroyed Israel in 70 AD were 'the people of the prince that shall come'. The Babylon John referred to was in the days of the AntiChrist and the mark of the beast, and the 2 witnesses, and the 144,000 from Jewish tribes witnessing, and etc etc. That could not have been ancient Rome. Rome may have been one of the heads of the beast, the seven kingdoms on which the whore sat. No chance it was Mystery Babylon the Great of the end.

Those of you who have some history to you will recognize the quote "the city that sits on seven hills" as an old reference to ancient Imperial Rome and those of you who don't can just Google it for grins.
That is speculation. It does not fit the bible at all. We are told that these are seven kingdoms. Not mounds of dirt.

Now, the Church did get relief under Constantine.
The relief we hope for is the Rapture! That was the only relief the bible spoke about for us. After we leave here, there are new believers, and they will get relief also when He returns to earth with us. There was no 'relief' prophesied for the time of ancient Rome.
Listen up Trumpers and urban Black congregations! You have sold your rightful and truly caring husband, the one who truly knows what you need and keeps you on the straight path for your respective crack mongers. Get right with your lover or he will dump you for a new bride who he can raise up out of the dirt.
? The Bride of Christ is promised to be raised from the dead into new bodies (or if we are still alive raised alive)
There will be no new Bride. Not sure what some political ex leader in the US has to do with anything? Probably the reason many supported Trump, or not was on the issue of abortion. Therefore when I see a Trump hater, the question comes to mind, do you support abortion? As for badmouthing 'congregations based on the color of the skin, you really must be kidding.
 

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Some would say that Babylon is the system of this world, and I would have to agree, but if that system could be represented in a single city, that leaves lots of options.
If it represents a religious system of thought, I would say freemasonry is the most viable candidate at present, but the new age movement is introducing something new which encompasses the phenomenon of UAPs and extraterrestrial contact. All anyone can say for sure based upon scripture is that Babylon is a worldwide corrupting influence and that definition could make it Hollywood as much as any place.
If it were a representation of a corrupting political influence, then I would assume it was democracy and Babylon as a city represented by Washington D.C. (there's nothing in this world more opposed to God than "self determination.")

What does it matter in respect to anything but allegiance?
You're either in God's kingdom and a pilgrim in the world, or of the world and an enemy of God by choice.

The bible uses the word great city. That seems to indicate possibly a system, or 'city system'. I think you had it right suggesting that Hollywood is a good representation of corrupting the world. Washington also is a good example, since they are cheerleaders (like Canada and other places) for child sacrifice, created gender assault, and other extreme wickedness.

The final Babylon is only destroyed in the very end, so it need not be identified as one group such as freemasonry right now.
 

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The problem I see here these are two distinct occurrences, the earthquake in Jerusalem happening at the 6th Trumpet judgment, while the destruction of the Great City, Babylon, happening later with the 7th Bowl Judgment.

You mean on the final 7th Trumpet. That is when the great earthquake of Rev.11 happens. That is the same earthquake that happens per the 7th Vial. The Zechariah 14:1-5 events are about it also, pointing to the "day of the Lord" timing when Jesus returns.

The events of the latter part of the 6th Seal, the 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial, are all the SAME timing, very last day of this present world. Revelation gives more than one description of that day, which is why many get confused with thinking they are separate events.
 

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The bible uses the word great city. That seems to indicate possibly a system, or 'city system'. I think you had it right suggesting that Hollywood is a good representation of corrupting the world. Washington also is a good example, since they are cheerleaders (like Canada and other places) for child sacrifice, created gender assault, and other extreme wickedness.

The final Babylon is only destroyed in the very end, so it need not be identified as one group such as freemasonry right now.
When discussing things which haven't happened yet, the best we can do is propose informed speculation unless the Holy Spirit is trying to teach us something relevant.
 

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@dad , I was in Revelation 11 following up on a conversation with @Davy and I found this:

"...the beast that comes up from the Abyss" Revelation 11:7

I said there was no mention of a beast coming up out of the Abyss in Revelation 9:1 to somehow make a connection with the release of the anti-christ beast from the Abyss who "once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction" (Revelation 17:8). Well, as we can see, perhaps the fifth trumpet/first woe in Revelation 9 is describing the release of the anti-christ beast from the Abyss.

Without a basis in the Old Testament prophets about the events of the end of this world, especially in the Book of Isaiah, and along with Christ's Signs in His Olivet discourse, those events in Revelation will remain a mystery. The Signs Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse are the Seals of Revelation 6. That last Sign He gave was that of the day of His return and gathering of His Church. That order is what the 7 Trumpets and 7 Vials are about too. The day of Jesus' return happens on the 6th Seal (and thus 7th Seal as a selah), 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial (777).

The first part of the 6th Seal shows stars falling from heaven like untimely figs. That is about the coming of the "dragon" with his angels, per the Revelation 12:7-9 events.

The 5th Trumpet - 1st Woe is about the prep for the "great tribulation" by Satan's workers (locust army of Book of Joel). Some of the symbols given in that timing are also pointed to in the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing, like the "five months" stinging. The stinging, which is for only those NOT sealed with God's seal, is symbolic for deception. That deception especially happens on the 5th Trumpet with the locust working, but is culminated on the 6th Trumpet when the Antichrist shows up for the "great tribulation" timing.

The "great tribulation" timing begins with the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe in Rev.9, and continues through to Revelation 11 with the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe with Jesus' return. (The Rev.10 chapter represents a parenthetic break about the end.)

The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing is about the literal removing of the spiritual border between Satan's host and God's people on earth. The Euphrates river was the northern most border God assigned to Israel. That is what Christ's enemies crossing over that symbolic border represents, and described again in Revelation 16:12. For the end of this world it represents the literal start of the "great tribulation" timing, prepared for a certain hour, and a day, and a month, and a year.

The king angel of the bottomless pit is about Satan himself. His title of Apollyon is from a Greek word (apollumi) that means 'perdition'. This is a mystery, because even though Judas Iscariot was called a "son of perdition" by Lord Jesus, we know Judas has still yet to be judged to the future "lake of fire". No one born in the flesh has been sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" yet, because that Judgement time is only after Christ's future 1,000 years reign. Only... Satan and his angels so far HAVE already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire".

That is why I have a difficult time grasping why so many brethren are not understanding this about the "son of perdition" title, and also that Revelation 17 description about the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit and GOES into perdition. It's about Satan himself, the "dragon" of Revelation. He is coming as himself, to this earth, with his angels, in person. But he does not really have horns, nor wield a pitchfork nor wear red flannel underwear. He is a beautiful cherub, made the full pattern of beauty. Many will wrongly believe he is Lord Jesus.
 
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Without a basis in the Old Testament prophets about the events of the end of this world, especially in the Book of Isaiah, and along with Christ's Signs in His Olivet discourse, those events in Revelation will remain a mystery. The Signs Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse are the Seals of Revelation 6. That last Sign He gave was that of the day of His return and gathering of His Church. That order is what the 7 Trumpets and 7 Vials are about too. The day of Jesus' return happens on the 6th Seal (and thus 7th Seal as a selah), 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial (777).

The first part of the 6th Seal shows stars falling from heaven like untimely figs. That is about the coming of the "dragon" with his angels, per the Revelation 12:7-9 events.

The 5th Trumpet - 1st Woe is about the prep for the "great tribulation" by Satan's workers (locust army of Book of Joel). Some of the symbols given in that timing are also pointed to in the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing, like the "five months" stinging. The stinging, which is for only those NOT sealed with God's seal, is symbolic for deception. That deception especially happens on the 5th Trumpet with the locust working, but is culminated on the 6th Trumpet when the Antichrist shows up for the "great tribulation" timing.

The "great tribulation" timing begins with the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe in Rev.9, and continues through to Revelation 11 with the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe with Jesus' return. (The Rev.10 chapter represents a parenthetic break about the end.)

The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing is about the literal removing of the spiritual border between Satan's host and God's people on earth. The Euphrates river was the northern most border God assigned to Israel. That is what Christ's enemies crossing over that symbolic border represents, and described again in Revelation 16:12. For the end of this world it represents the literal start of the "great tribulation" timing, prepared for a certain hour, and a day, and a month, and a year.

The king angel of the bottomless pit is about Satan himself. His title of Abaddon is from a Greek word that means 'perdition'. This is a mystery, because even though Judas Iscariot was called a "son of perdition" by Lord Jesus, we know Judas has still yet to be judged to the future "lake of fire". No one born in the flesh has been sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" yet, because that Judgement time is only after Christ's future 1,000 years reign. Only... Satan and his angels so far HAVE already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire".

That is why I have a difficult time grasping why so many brethren are not understanding this about the "son of perdition" title, and also that Revelation 17 description about the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit and GOES into perdition. It's about Satan himself, the "dragon" of Revelation. He is coming as himself, to this earth, with his angels, in person. But he does not really have horns, nor wield a pitchfork nor wear red flannel underwear. He is a beautiful cherub, made the full pattern of beauty. Many will wrongly believe he is Lord Jesus.
Yet the beast is a man. So since Satan is also a beast, we could look at that as that the man gets possessed of Satan. Both are the beast.
 

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Yet the beast is a man. So since Satan is also a beast, we could look at that as that the man gets possessed of Satan. Both are the beast.

Believing that the word 'man' always means a flesh human is a falsehood taught by the crept in unawares of the Book of Jude, the enemies of God's people.

The outward image likeness of 'man' originates from GOD Himself, as written in Genesis 1:26-27, how soon some forget.

In Isaiah 14:16, God calls Lucifer 'a man'.

The meaning of the Archangel Gabriel's name is 'man of God'.

So before you will start to understand about the "another beast" ("dragon") in Revelation, you first need to understand how the angels all have that outward image likeness of 'man' that originates from GOD's Own outward image likeness.

And be very careful with the occultists who like to think that God has no outward image likeness of man, but is just some kind of spirit force with no outward image likeness. The ancient pagan Egyptians and Greeks assigned the sun as GOD, and thus worshiped the sun, which even Israel fell into that false worship at times (see Ezekiel 8). And primitive pagans worshiped the rocks and trees, thinking they were God instead of simply things of God's creation, and not The Creator Himself. Those beliefs still exist in many religions today outside Christianity.
 

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We have the same ideas on the beast. The various heads all were kingdoms headed by Satan.

We can speculate about the future and what that final evil kingdom will be like. There are a few reasons I do not agree about China and communism. One reason is that a feature of that end time whore is great commercialism and trade and costly goods, and nations being made rich. Another problem I have with that scenario is that Europe seems to be the center of the power in the final world power. I have wondered how that could be. The US and China seem more powerful these days. However, if the plan is to have these two destroy each other, then what is left? Europe, if left fairly intact would be in a powerful position. Some might say what about Russia? Well, it is widely felt that Russia will head that Ezekiel invasion against Israel with Turkey and other muslim nations. The bible is clear that they will be clobbered totally there. That also clears the way for Europe, if the muslim powers and Russia also are KOed.
Jerusalem will be the future city that rules the world, as the Antichrist will have his seat and power in Jerusalem, "Ruling The World"

Revelation 13:7-8KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 

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Believing that the word 'man' always means a flesh human is a falsehood taught by the crept in unawares of the Book of Jude, the enemies of God's people.
The leader in the last days is spoken about all over the bible. It does not depend on interpreting the word man. He is a king, and a man. One of his titles is the 'man of sin'. We also know he receives power from the dragon so he is not the dragon.

In Isaiah 14:16, God calls Lucifer 'a man'.
To be fair it was people in hell calling him that, not God.

Here is God talking

Isaiah 14:12

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


The meaning of the Archangel Gabriel's name is 'man of God'.
So? You thought he was a man? No. He can appear as a man.

Only Jesus became a man.
 

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Jerusalem will be the future city that rules the world, as the Antichrist will have his seat and power in Jerusalem, "Ruling The World"

Revelation 13:7-8KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
I did not see Jerusalem in those verses?
 

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Let's back up few steps and examine our method of interpretation. When a Bible interpreter is trying to understand the meaning of a text that can be over 4000 years old he or she delights if someone finds another text that may not be canonical at all but is from the same period because it can give enormous insight into the meaning of the wording of the canonical text. Please understand that not only is the bible written in two or three basic languages, ancient hebrew, aramaic and koenenia greek, but because the hebrew books were written over such a long period of time many require learning an entirely new dialect to translate. It is a tough job and every translator dreams that some archeologist will discover a rosetta stone for his or her period of the text. Why am I talking about this? Because Revelation is an example of an apocalypse, a form of literature that flourished during the period of Roman domination of the Jewish nation. To properly understand the imagery of Revelation you should take time to look at the other examples of this genre just as the bible interpreters look at other documents from the period of their assigned text to help understand their books. This does NOT constitute introducing extrabiblical sources into the cannon by any means as any thinking individual will allow.
If you take the time to do the research you will be prodded into the direction of interpreting Revelation as a symbolic work predicting the
delivery of the church from Roman domination. Now, there is a bit more in there than just immediate delivery of the Church from Rome by my lights. I read the prediction of the rise of Constantinian Rome out of the rubble of Augustinian Rome in Revelation 13, but this is debatable.
scribd.com/document/421495943/The-two-beasts-of-Revelation-Identified
There is also towards the end a lot of imagery for a future state of universal peace in the world, followed by one last outburst of Satanic resistance before the final Judgement. All of this is much more discernible when viewed in the context of the other apocalypses of the period.
 
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A few quick pointers concerning the book of Revelation.
There are repeated cycles.
The 7 churches, seals, trumpets, are historical narratives depicting different eras of human history from the time the vision was first given, to the second coming. Also referred to briefly later on is the culmination of all God's purposes at the end of the 1000 years when the earth and heaven are made new.
The churches, the seals and the trumpets deal with similar eras, but looking at those eras from different perspectives. The church part of Revelation 2,3 is obvious. They deal with the rise of Christianity, it's progress throughout the last 2000 years including it's good and bad times, including the time of apostasy in the dark ages. Of course there were churches worldwide, but these literal churches of Asia to whom the letters were written are types of the main stream church movements in history. While each era begin at different times, the last 3 or 4 churches have end time aspects to them, because they are still there at the end. For example, Thyatira represents the rise of the Papacy. We know the Papacy is still with us today, and will be there at the end, although in a much different form that which existed in previous times. Same with the final 3.
The seals are subtly different. Each seal is a parallel to the letters, but from a secular viewpoint, and the secular affect upon God's people.
The trumpets depict the military history of the same periods, and to a great extent reveal God's judgments against Pagan Rome for it's persecutions against God's people. The eras of course don't exactly match in comparison with the church and seals, there are some blurring of lines and crossovers, but that's the way the prophecy is written, some general descriptions with enough information to make some reasonable assertions as to who they represent. For example, the first 4 trumpets depict the 4 incursions of the barbarian tribes into the Roman empire up to the 5th century. The second trumpet for example is focused on the sea. The Vandal king Alaric mounted a naval campaign against Rome, using Carthage in north Africa as his headquarters. He destroyed much of the Roman fleet by setting fire to them. Those 4 trumpets saw the end of the western empire. The eastern empire based in Constantinople is dealt with in the next two trumpets, involving the rise of Islam and her war against the Byzantine empire and various wars and battles involving Turkey and Persia.
Revelation 3:14, the final church, Revelation 8:1, the final seal, and Revelation 10:7; 11:15, the final trumpet, all have a couple of things in common. They all deal with the exact same time period, the last days and events, and all depict a different aspect of the second coming.

So you have a repeat of history with those chapters, up to chapter 11. Chapter 12 however brings a different approach. 12 shows us a general depiction of the entire 2000 years since the birth of Christ, begging with His birth and resurrection, Satan's determination to kill Christ, the expulsion of Satan from having any access to heaven, his war against the church, the flight of the church into the wilderness to escape persecution, the Providence of God in supplying a refuge (America verse 16), and the final battle against the remnant yet to come.
Chapter 13 deals exclusively with two entities, described as beasts just as in Daniel. These are not individuals. Beasts in Bible prophecy are political powers... Nations, governments, empires. God is consistent with his symbolic applications so as not to confuse the issues that we may understand. The first beast in 13 is the Papacy. The second beast in 13 is apostate protestant America. The chapter principally deals with the infusion of church and state, in order to persecute God's people. First in the dark ages, then yet to come on a global scale after the second beast compels the world to honor Rome as the head of all global Christianity. The result is the threat of death to those who refuse the mark.
Chapter 14 is about his remnant church of the last days, of their message to the world incorporating 3 different shifts of the everlasting gospel, warning the world against siding with the coming union of church and state.
Babylon the Great is the final development of everything Satan has attempted to accomplish through human agencies and powers.
In the OT he used foreign pagan powers to destroy Israel, all with the intent to block and/or destroy the expected Messiah... And if unsuccessful with that, make Israel so loathsome in the sight of God that He would give up His quest in saving the world from Satan's grip, and force God to destroy Israel.
That having failed, and the Messiah having completed His initial goal, Satan's focus shifted to the church. Pagan Rome was his first weapon of choice, but persecution only grew the church. So Satan resorted to deception. He would destroy the church from within through false teachers and apostasy, then through a fallen church attack and destroy the true. This was all to be done with a union of church and state... Even pagan Rome was such a union, and even the Jews joined with Rome to kill Jesus.
We then saw this throughout the medieval Europe. The union of the Catholic Church with the kings and rulers of nations which they used to war against God's people, both before and after the reformation.
Today we witness the same thing happening in America. A union of church and state, being an image to the first papal beast, as the goal of evangelical Christianity, along with a much more favorable relationship with Rome which they will eventually submit to, leading the rest of the world to do the same.
There is, and will be a remnant who refuse to bow the knee to Baal. They "will be hated of all nations for Jesus sake", they will be the final focus and ultimate target of Satan in the final hours. Babylon the Great, is that final global union of the church riding the state power, holding the reigns and giving directions, but being supported by the states military and legislative powers.
In the end, Christ will come to rescue His final remnant people from the hand of their enemies, and everything upon the planet will be destroyed in the earthquakes and wars and plagues of the last events.
God's faithful and obedient remnant (Revelation 14:12) will be in heaven for 1000 years while the earth remains desolate... An abyss. No life on earth except for Satan and his angels. At the close of the 1000 years the New Jerusalem, along with all the resurrected saints from all ages, will descend and become the capital of the universe upon a new earth and in a new heaven. Basically, that's Revelation in a nutshell. The big picture.
 
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