What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Johann]

No and No... gotta go.

You have my permission to remove the two posts on the "boring" Trinity
Ol' Matthias is really after me
I could say this in various languages, why? Ek is a moerse boerseun futhi ngipheth' amandla!

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

You don’t care about these passages of scripture? How can we not be interested in, take into account, all passages of scripture in evaluating whatever it is that is presented to us?

They don't care about the truth.
All evidence as why Jesus was God, his name Immanuel in the old testament prophecy of his coming, and the new testaments account of God's angel who instructed Mary to name her pending baby Immanuel, ''God with us'', that some even go so far as to say isn't what the name means.

I think the question becomes one of, why would a Christian deny Jesus was divine God when Jesus and other passages state he was God?
When that fact is precisely why we are saved.

 

[Wrangler]

All evidence as why Jesus was God, his name Immanuel in the old testament prophecy of his coming, and the new testaments account of God's angel who instructed Mary to name her pending baby Immanuel, ''God with us'', that some even go so far as to say isn't what the name means.

What a farce! The Suffering Servant's name is NOT Immanuel. Are all Immanuel's God or just people who are not named Immaneul?

Also, being named a word that means 'God with us' does not mean that God is in the flesh with us.

The rationalizations become comical, really.

 

[Johann]

On your lengthy posts.

Ol' APAK said I should walk a mile in you're shoes, can you and the others walk a mile in my shoes?

 

[Johann]

What a farce! The Suffering Servant's name is NOT Immanuel. Are all Immanuel's God or just people who are not named Immaneul?

Blue Dragonfly's said: ↑
All evidence as why Jesus was God, his name Immanuel in the old testament prophecy of his coming, and the new testaments account of God's angel who instructed Mary to name her pending baby Immanuel, ''God with us'', that some even go so far as to say isn't what the name means.

Care to read it three times before making Dragonfly a liar?

 

[Mr E]

Ol' APAK said I should walk a mile in you're shoes, can you and the others walk a mile in my shoes?

You've now made yourself into a forum troll... attention seeking, unpleasant and goading @Heart2Soul for some action that you probably think will make you some sort of forum martyr. It won't. You'll be gone and no one will mind.

Why not simply humble yourself instead, apologize, seek forgiveness and move on. Have discussions with folks and forgo the insults. It's totally up to you-- you could change course, or you could continue the way you are going in stubborn, self-righteous obnoxiousness.

Folks here would forgive and forget-- they really would. All you'd have to do is acknowledge your actions and apply a little self-reflection. Are you willing to do that?

 

[farouk]

Thank you for sharing these thoughts. I like how you expressed forums as a question of balanced thought and cooperation.
Have a blessed day...you have already been a blessing to my day.
And in conclusion: walking a mile in someone else's shoes could be extremely difficult...especially if their shoe size is different than yours....and, as Paul Harvey would say, that is the rest of the story, Good Day!

@Heart2Soul Iron sharpens iron, right?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Just ask @Nancy...she will confirm that I hate using emoji's.

 

[RLT63]

What a farce! The Suffering Servant's name is NOT Immanuel. Are all Immanuel's God or just people who are not named Immaneul?

Also, being named a word that means 'God with us' does not mean that God is in the flesh with us.

The rationalizations become comical, really.

His name wasn't Immanuel. It was who he was

 

[Heart2Soul]

@Heart2Soul Iron sharpens iron, right?

It does..and I need all the sharpening I can get.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

H2S likes this?
Pappie, take your kite and stick it where the sun never shines, you self-righteous, sissie, hypocrite!

 

[TLHKAJ]

He was right. It is in Hebrews 1.

8 But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

10 And:

“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”

When Jesus was 12 he discussed things in the temple, then went home with his parents-
"And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man" (Luke 21:41-52)

so if Jesus WAS God as some claim, why would he need to "grow in wisdom and stature"?..

Why did you ignore the scriptures quoted above where God is calling His Son God??
You are choosing to deny Him. This is very dangerous for your soul.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

You have my permission to remove the two posts on the "boring" Trinity
Ol' Matthias is really after me
I could say this in various languages, why? Ek is a moerse boerseun futhi ngipheth' amandla!

Afrikaans? Really bad Afrikaans.

 

[amigo de christo]

Which translation(s] of the Bible do you routinely read?

(When I was a Southern Baptist I was KJVO).

stick to that translation but FLEE THE SOUTHEN BAPTIST CONVENTION .
Just cause a broken clock can be right twice a day DONT MAKE THE CLOCK RIGHT .

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Blue Dragonfly's said: ↑
All evidence as why Jesus was God, his name Immanuel in the old testament prophecy of his coming, and the new testaments account of God's angel who instructed Mary to name her pending baby Immanuel, ''God with us'', that some even go so far as to say isn't what the name means.

Care to read it three times before making Dragonfly a liar?

You'd have but to read the Bible once to prove it isn't myself who is the liar.

 

[Mr E]

They don't care about the truth.
All evidence as why Jesus was God, his name Immanuel in the old testament prophecy of his coming, and the new testaments account of God's angel who instructed Mary to name her pending baby Immanuel, ''God with us'', that some even go so far as to say isn't what the name means.

I think the question becomes one of, why would a Christian deny Jesus was divine God when Jesus and other passages state he was God?
When that fact is precisely why we are saved.

Do you think Mary messed up? Or that she disobeyed? She named him Jesus (Joshua) Yeshua-- however you want to slice it-- she didn't "name" him Immanuel. Joshua means "God saves" or God is salvation" it does not mean "God with us" so she either got it wrong, or you have.

You should familiarize yourself with the story. The "angel" did not instruct her to name the baby Immanuel. The messenger told both her and Joseph to name the baby Jesus, which they did. Whether you read the account according to Matthew or Luke it doesn't matter. Both record that the angel instructed them to name the baby Jesus--- GOD saves.

“Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. “And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. (Luke 1)

Matthew records that Joseph was instructed by Gabriel to name the boy Jesus.

“Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. “She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.

Do you know where they were told to name him Immanuel? Nowhere.

 

[amigo de christo]

Why did you ignore the scriptures quoted above where God is calling His Son God??
You are choosing to deny Him. This is very dangerous for your soul.

Cause he is a charlaton . I know that langauge aint PC , i also know i dont condmen the man but he condemns himself .
But i also know to warn against such a man AINT WRONG . We need to remember that warning folks in error
aint a sin . Any error includes anything and EVERYTHING that JESUS and the true apostels in the bible warned against .
WE cant PICKEY and CHOOSEY anything that was already left to us in the bible . EMBRACE IT ALL or we decieve ourselves .

 

[Peterlag]

What you describe as the "Word" of God and being His plan or purpose- what the Greek calls 'logos' and from which we get the idea of logic- it is His 'reasoning' that Jesus embodied. Another way to think of 'reasoning' and 'logos' is not as the mere "word" rather it is the organization of thought- as if you were going to give a speech and you were determining the order of things -- and the way of explaining concepts, making the content deliverable and understandable. Does that make sense?

That's what was "in" Jesus. It was that 'spirit' that descended upon him and that 'logos' that was in him that he went about teaching.

“My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me."

“For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak. I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me.”

Sure to ruffle feathers, but it is the same "Word" that came to numerous prophets who then conveyed those messages to us as recorded throughout scripture. Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Samuel, Isaiah..... "The word of the LORD came unto me and....."

It's His word-- His way of making Himself known to us.

I agree with everything that you write above as long as you don't tell me that the data above then means that Jesus is God.

 

[farouk]

It does..and I need all the sharpening I can get.

Same here.......

 

[1stCenturyLady]

According to my studies, God never said "I Am" was his name in Exodus 3:14.

At Exodus 3:14-15, when Moses asked God for his name, from the Jewish Tanakh it reads....
"God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:


15And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר" (The Complete Jewish Bible)

Yahweh does not only mean "I AM" in John 8:58 because it has no connection whatsoever with Exodus 3 14-15.

Strongs renders "I Am" in John 8:58 as..."to be, to exist, to happen, to be present". So which is the correct rendering of that verse?
Strongs also says of εἰμί eimí; "the first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic):—am, have been, × it is I, was." So not just one meaning.

God's name was not a statement about his existence because he was the God of their forefathers, so they knew who he was.
His name means "I will be what I will be" and it was a statement about his intentions towards his people, once freed from Egyptian slavery.
"The Lord God is "יְהֹוָ֞ה"....Yahweh. This was a name that was to be held in reverence for all their generations, but they chose to refrain from uttering it. They never had God's sanction or command to do that.

So in answering a question about the past, Jesus answered in the past tense....."Before Abraham was born, I have been" or "I was".

This is a scripturally bogus argument I'm afraid.

"I will be" is so inaccurate to a God that has no beginning nor end. I AM is right on the money of knowing what He is.