Any other Christians in here interested in evolution? I mean genuinely wants to understand it.

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That's my point. There have been finds of mass kills of wooly mammoths that indicate they were chased off of cliffs or escarpment, but that would've been catastrophic to the mammoths. For flesh to survive to be fossilized, it has to be enclosed in an anaerobic environment, (covered in mud, ash, lime, etc.) Outside of natural and man made disasters, accumulated fossils in one location were the result of hunter gathering, bringing game to a single location for consumption, or display (as in collections of skulls), or accidental submersion in an anaerobic environment like tar pits, or tree sap.
Science, by its 20th century definition excludes the existence of the supernatural. Consequently it is the pursuit of disproving scripture for at least a century.

Many early scientists were of a religious bent. The early astronomers (like Tycho Brahe) sought to make more accurate measurements of the location of planets with respect to the stars in order to make more accurate astrological predictions, believing in the relationship of microcosm to macrocosm and justifying that belief with verses out of the first chapter in Genesis. This is historically documented and my familiarity is from a book titled "God and the Astronomers ."
DaVinci's famous illustration of man (splayed out like a star) was drawn as a representation of that relationship.

The Jesuits were among the early naturalists that sought proofs through experimentation. Gregor Mendel, who performed early hybridization experiments, was a monk.
Early science was the attempt to understand creation. Modern science is the attempt to disprove it.

the thing though is that modern science is not here to disprove religious, supernatural or faith based concepts. It’s here to explore, analyze and explain the natural world.

so evolution is not anti god. Evolution is anti Yahweh or Christianity. The issue is that young earth / old earth creationism and intelligent design is anti science and anti history.

but being a Christian who accepts the word of god as being inspired by ancient people to share a message to ancient people that we use today to draw insight and wisdom from while also accepting historical and scientific consensus is not anti Christian, anti Bible it anti science.
 

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I haven't posed questions, just answers, facts, and informed speculation based upon observation and data.
I don’t know which one you are out of the handful I’m taking to. What I’m going to do is spend 10-15 minutes a day or so and respond to handful of comments and dedicate a hour or so one day a week to dig in deeper. I’ve not read a bulk of the recent comments. I read until I get to something being misrepresented or outright wrong and stop reading and respond to it. So far I don’t recall seeing anything where the over all comment is correct. I’ve seen some accurate things… such as evolution being a theory, but the person did not understand what theory actually means, and I’ve read how most fossils are generated by something going very wrong and covering the body, and that’s correct, but I am under the impression they are trying to link that to a global flood which is wrong.

most of what I see is people seeing things like fossilized forests ( fossils spanning multiple geological layers ) and the poster clearly does not understand what they are referring to. But I’ll be back for a few minutes in a few hours.
 
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the thing though is that modern science is not here to disprove religious, supernatural or faith based concepts. It’s here to explore, analyze and explain the natural world.

so evolution is not anti god. Evolution is anti Yahweh or Christianity. The issue is that young earth / old earth creationism and intelligent design is anti science and anti history.

but being a Christian who accepts the word of god as being inspired by ancient people to share a message to ancient people that we use today to draw insight and wisdom from while also accepting historical and scientific consensus is not anti Christian, anti Bible it anti science.
That's according to your thinking, but the redefining of science to exclude the supernatural was the specific philosophical contribution of 20th century scientists. I believe, though I can't find the quote, that Francis Crick, an avowed atheist, was the first scientist to actually create that postulate, though I'd be happy to attribute it to the fictional Vulcan science academy (where I first heard it.)

I didn't want to be blunt about it, but creating a post to discuss an idea opposed to the plain teaching of scripture without debate, is just seeking justification for disbelief and support for that disbelief from others who share it.

Some Christian scholars, John McArthur for one, insist that Genesis chapter 1 must be literally true (physically true) in order to be entirely true. For example, day 1 must represent a 24 hour period, the greater light must represent the Sun, the lesser light, the moon, the luminaries the stars, etc.

My thinking is less rigid in that the Sun is a star and there are both bigger classes of stars and brighter classes of stars than Sol. If we can accept the concept of progressive revelation, we should understand that God has only revealed what we were capable of understanding at any given time.
What would be the point of expressing something in terms of the theory of special relativity to bronze age people who thought that the sun traversed the dome of heaven?

On the other hand, God incarnate argued directly from the first chapters of Genesis, and also quoted Deuteronomy 8:3 :
"So He humbled you, allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna which you did not know nor did your fathers know, that He might make you know that man shall not live by bread alone; but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD."

I believe Christ because I know Him through His Spirit. If you accept that Jesus the Christ is the true and faithful witness, then belief in creation is not optional. Otherwise you're just picking and choosing what you will believe and making the Lord less than truthful.
 
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That's according to your thinking, but the redefining of science to exclude the supernatural was the specific philosophical contribution of 20th century scientists. I believe, though I can't find the quote, that Francis Crick, an avowed atheist, was the first scientist to actually create that postulate, though I'd be happy to attribute it to the fictional Vulcan science academy (where I first heard it.)

I didn't want to be blunt about it, but creating a post to discuss an idea opposed to the plain teaching of scripture without debate, is just seeking justification for disbelief and support for that disbelief from others who share it.

Some Christian scholars, John McArthur for one, insist that Genesis chapter 1 must be literally true (physically true) in order to be entirely true. For example, day 1 must represent a 24 hour period, the greater light must represent the Sun, the lesser light, the moon, the luminaries the stars, etc.

My thinking is less rigid in that the Sun is a star and there are both bigger classes of stars and brighter classes of stars than Sol. If we can accept the concept of progressive revelation, we should understand that God has only revealed what we were capable of understanding at any given time.
What would be the point of expressing something in terms of the theory of special relativity to bronze age people who thought that the sun traversed the dome of heaven?

On the other hand, God incarnate argued directly from the first chapters of Genesis, and also quoted Deuteronomy 8:3 :
"So He humbled you, allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna which you did not know nor did your fathers know, that He might make you know that man shall not live by bread alone; but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD."

I believe Christ because I know Him through His Spirit. If you accept that Jesus the Christ is the true and faithful witness, then belief in creation is not optional. Otherwise you're just picking and choosing what you will believe and making the Lord less than truthful.

so I read the first few sentence and stopped and read the last one.

so that’s not my opinion. Science is here to observe and study and teach about the natural world. It has zero to do with the supernatural. The point of science is not to disprove god. That’s stupid. There are over a million scientist who are Christians that also accepts science such as evolution. Again, science does not undermine Christianity. It just undermines specific movements such as YEC, OEC and ID. That’s it. Science does not disagree with any faith. That’s not it’s purpose. But some movements of some faiths disagree with science, this they are undermined by it.

now you last statement is the reason why I make these posts. Foolish evil hearted people like to pressure others into “ either you just believe my backwards uneducated fundamentalistic literalist understanding of the Bible and the world or it means you’re not a Christian”. Its why movements like YEC, OEC and ID drives thousands and millions of people away from faith. It’s the cause of thousands of teen suicides over the decades and ect… those movements are what drove people to atheism.

that’s why me and many others speak out against it and the harm it brings. It’s why I create posts specifically for those who are Christians who want to understand how science and faith can coexist. Evolutionary creationism is the hope that helps bring back so many who was pushed away by wicked people.

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but y’all don’t listen. I ask nicely to stay off the post. That’s it’s not for you. You can create your own post to discuss it. But y’all can’t help it. Y’all have to ignore basic decency and latch on and spread like cancer throughout posts despite being asked not too.

but we already know that. It’s why I drop Biologos in the comments. In the last 2 months or so about 30 college students , almost all women and me in their 20s have reached out to me on Biologos saying they saw the links here. They don’t speak up here because they don’t want drama, and they want to learn where they can ask questions and hear from scientists and theologians. That’s why i limit my time for y’all who are hear to ignore my request and keep others from learning through your “ no true Scotsman hellfire preaching”. I’ve mentioned BL in about a hundred threads throughout a few forums in the last month or so alone.
 

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so I read the first few sentence and stopped and read the last one.

so that’s not my opinion. Science is here to observe and study and teach about the natural world. It has zero to do with the supernatural. The point of science is not to disprove god. That’s stupid. There are over a million scientist who are Christians that also accepts science such as evolution. Again, science does not undermine Christianity. It just undermines specific movements such as YEC, OEC and ID. That’s it. Science does not disagree with any faith. That’s not it’s purpose. But some movements of some faiths disagree with science, this they are undermined by it.

now you last statement is the reason why I make these posts. Foolish evil hearted people like to pressure others into “ either you just believe my backwards uneducated fundamentalistic literalist understanding of the Bible and the world or it means you’re not a Christian”. Its why movements like YEC, OEC and ID drives thousands and millions of people away from faith. It’s the cause of thousands of teen suicides over the decades and ect… those movements are what drove people to atheism.

that’s why me and many others speak out against it and the harm it brings. It’s why I create posts specifically for those who are Christians who want to understand how science and faith can coexist. Evolutionary creationism is the hope that helps bring back so many who was pushed away by wicked people.

The BioLogos Forum

but y’all don’t listen. I ask nicely to stay off the post. That’s it’s not for you. You can create your own post to discuss it. But y’all can’t help it. Y’all have to ignore basic decency and latch on and spread like cancer throughout posts despite being asked not too.

but we already know that. It’s why I drop Biologos in the comments. In the last 2 months or so about 30 college students , almost all women and me in their 20s have reached out to me on Biologos saying they saw the links here. They don’t speak up here because they don’t want drama, and they want to learn where they can ask questions and hear from scientists and theologians. That’s why i limit my time for y’all who are hear to ignore my request and keep others from learning through your “ no true Scotsman hellfire preaching”. I’ve mentioned BL in about a hundred threads throughout a few forums in the last month or so alone.
"He who answers a matter before he hears it, It is folly and shame to him." Good luck with that. And thanks for proving the word of God true.
 
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Whatever you have to tell yourself.

just don’t forget, I made this thread and I laid out the point of the thread very clearly. Several times I mentioned, this is not here for a debate. This is for fellowship between those who accept evolution and those who want to understand how to harmonize it. It’s not a debate for those that reject it. It’s not a place for them to disrupt. But y’all have repeatedly chosen to ignore that. But I’m willing to put up with it because three different people have reached out in the last day on Biologos.
It also helps to me because I can screenshot and sanitize the threads, removing names and so on, and showcase the type of tactics used to reject reality.
 
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Essentially the question was what other explanation besides evolution explains the positioning of fossils within the geological layer showcasing basal forms splitting from one another because of divergent traits?
Not wanting to deviate from your hopes for the thread, but since you asked; and not speaking from any position of authority in the field of science, but rather from the greater field and knowledge of and from God, your question (and many others) has a relatively simple answer:

All of creation is not what it appears, especially to those created within it. Logic, even educated logic at the highest level, simply falls short of the information and ability needed to truthfully answer the question. Scientifically, if under that limitation, as most are, that should leave one to disqualify themselves, knowing that they cannot possibly know what they cannot study from within.

The answer rather, is only attainable from without the creation in question. That is to say, the answer must come from outside the sphere in question--and it has. And to spare all the details and going into any spiritual explanation, I will just say it:

All of creation is rather the manifestation of all that is theorized, wherein from beginning to end, those in error, fail.​
 

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My bachelor's of Science degree was awarded by the State University of New York at Stony Brook in 1980. This was well before the human genome project was completed, but my degree was in biological sciences and I had quite a few courses that included the theory of evolution and taught from that perspective, including the basic biology classes bio 101 and 102, physics for biology, comparative anatomy, animal physiology, adaption and evolution, and genetics. My test score for the graduate record examination advanced test in biology was in the top 5% nationwide, so I absorbed a bit of the teaching. However, my conclusion was that evolutionary theory was inadequate to explain the origin of life. Some time after I graduated, I also read Robert Ardrey's books African Genesis, the Territorial Imperative, and the Social contract, all about his research into the anthropological studies trying to explain how man could've evolved in such a (relatively) short period of geological time.

Evolutionary theory is in part dependent upon the concept that anything, regardless of how unlikely, will occur given sufficient time for totally random processes to accidentally combine and work together in a functional way.

What's more, Charles Darwin based his foundational work, the origin of species, on mistaken observation. He believed that the various phenotypes of finches that he observed on the Galapagos Islands were different species. However we know now that those various phenotypes are just normal morphological variations in one species, just like the various ethnicities of mankind.

Then there's the flawed logic of the theory regarding the fossil record. The similarities in morphology between "divergent" species was the original "evidence" of lineal relationship between them. However, the comparison of placental mammal to marsupials and nonplacental mammals that thrived in geographically isolated regions like Australia, lead to the "understanding" that similar morphology could evolve independently to fit similar environmental niches. So, the primary evolutionary evidence upon which the theory is based, similar morphology, is by the admission of evolutionary scientists, not actually proof of lineal relationship.

Molecular biology and genetics is also used as evidentiary by examining genetic similarity, but huge anomalies persist in the "evidence". For example, some pig proteins are closer to their human counterparts than those in apes, but no one is proposing that we evolved from pigs.

One of the very first experiments to prove the spontaneous generation of life was an attempt to generate something living inside a sealed jar that contained nothing but dirt and air. The experiment generated worms in the soil, but was flawed because the soil wasn't sterilized and contained eggs. Yet that experiment was still taught as support for the spontaneous generation of life in the 1970s, but with the note that it was flawed for the stated reasons.

Newer devised experiments utilizing a mixture of gases that might have existed in the primordial Earth were able to produce some simple hydrocarbons, the building blocks of more complex organic compounds, but not life.
To this date, no one has been able to create even the simplest form of life spontaneously under experiment.

Some biologist have given themselves over the study of cellular mechanisms in bacterium, single celled organisms, some with extremely complicated biological machines for locomotion and transport. Some of these (non-Christian) scientists arrived at the concept of irreducible complexity, the notion that the most basic definition of life includes the requirement for multiple interdependent processes which couldn't themselves evolve independently. (Evolution only occurs (theoretically) when the organism is living and capable of reproduction). Their conclusion was that life demonstrates intelligent design. This conclusion is unacceptable to a concept of "pure science" that excludes any kind of creator, so the field was labeled pseudo science, and the scientists in those endeavors, "quacks" and frauds.

The theory of evolution and the mechanisms that make it a possibility are easy to understand, but the end results are extremely improbable. However, the "scientific community " prefers a flawed theory, with flawed origin, built on flawed logic, with evidences as "proofs" that have alternative explanation, to the consideration of the supernatural, a God and Creator. This is why some evolutionary scientists turned to the newer hypothesis of "pangenesis", or that life originated "elsewhere" and somehow hitchhiked a ride to Earth. That allows them to rule out the problem of insufficient time for life to evolve here, and completely disregard its origin elsewhere.

Evolutionary science is a blind man trying to identify an elephant by its appendages.

Evolutionists admit that they do not know the origin of life. I have asked numerous evolutionists the question but none can answer it.
 

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Evolutionists admit that they do not know the origin of life. I have asked numerous evolutionists the question but none can answer it.
So you mean when you ask these scientists, instead of lying…. They say that we don’t yet know enough about abiogenesis to give you a answer… abiogenesis is separate from evolution by the way.

when it comes to abiogenesis we have seen several different potential ways chemical evolution played a role leading to life. But we don’t have enough data yet to know what was the exact variables for us since there are so many possibly variables.
 

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Evolutionists admit that they do not know the origin of life. I have asked numerous evolutionists the question but none can answer it.
Evolutionary theory makes it a crapshoot. Some organism capable of converting energy into biomass and exactly reproducing itself just popped into existence when the precise mechanism for protein synthesis, gene encoding, respiration and transport all accidentally bumped into each other in the right sequence, having accumulated spontaneously through millions of other lucky bumps and many hundreds of millions of years. Now, if you can believe that, I know a great toll bridge that I can sell to you cheap.

Evolution is only theoretically possible in living organisms, not in the processies that make them alive. But, the scientists continually trying to produce subsystems of biological organism through unguided processes have no vested interest in proving scripture erroneous. Self deception is the worst kind.
 
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Evolutionary theory makes it a crapshoot. Some organism capable of converting energy into biomass and exactly reproducing itself just popped into existence when the precise mechanism for protein synthesis, gene encoding, respiration and transport all accidentally bumped into each other in the right sequence, having accumulated spontaneously through millions of other lucky bumps and many hundreds of millions of years. Now, if you can believe that, I know a great toll bridge that I can sell to you cheap.

Evolution is only theoretically possible in living organisms, not in the processies that make them alive. But, the scientists continually trying to produce subsystems of biological organism through unguided processes have no vested interest in proving scripture erroneous. Self deception is the worst kind.

yoire so far off I just don’t even really know where to start. It’s you , not me, that thinks it just popped into existence without any evidence.

that’s the difference. In science when you don’t have the answer, you say so, vs beliefs like YEC/OEC/ID just says “ god did it “. That’s not science. That’s theology. That’s your theology.
But this post is not about abiogenesis…. It’s about evolution correct?

so since you’re here, and since I’ve made it clear like 10 times what this post is about I’m just going to presume it’s what you’re here for now.

so you’re a Christian who has realized what your silly peers have been saying just makes no sense. They have a third graders grasp on science. They reject almost all science from speed of light, geology, paleontology, botany, chemistry and so on. They have to reject almost all science beyond a 3-6th grade level. So you realized this and now you want to know how to harmonize basic science with theology.

I’m about to leave but we will start with this simple question. Should be really easy to answer in a nutshell.

what’s the genre of genesis 1-2 and why is it that genre. What genre is it not and why is it not that genre. Whatever genre you land on, could you cite another book and chapter in the Bible that runs parallel to its development, time span and ect…

so for example is the narrative scientific literature? Is it an historical account? Is it a autobiographical story? Is it myth?

here is a second slightly more complex story. Does the events of creation in genesis 1 the same as genesis 2 or are the events in a different order?

can you tell me in Hebrew what the great sea creatures are?

can you tell me what day it says water was created?

thanks.
 

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yoire so far off I just don’t even really know where to start. It’s you , not me, that thinks it just popped into existence without any evidence.

that’s the difference. In science when you don’t have the answer, you say so, vs beliefs like YEC/OEC/ID just says “ god did it “. That’s not science. That’s theology. That’s your theology.
But this post is not about abiogenesis…. It’s about evolution correct?

so since you’re here, and since I’ve made it clear like 10 times what this post is about I’m just going to presume it’s what you’re here for now.

so you’re a Christian who has realized what your silly peers have been saying just makes no sense. They have a third graders grasp on science. They reject almost all science from speed of light, geology, paleontology, botany, chemistry and so on. They have to reject almost all science beyond a 3-6th grade level. So you realized this and now you want to know how to harmonize basic science with theology.

I’m about to leave but we will start with this simple question. Should be really easy to answer in a nutshell.

what’s the genre of genesis 1-2 and why is it that genre. What genre is it not and why is it not that genre. Whatever genre you land on, could you cite another book and chapter in the Bible that runs parallel to its development, time span and ect…

so for example is the narrative scientific literature? Is it an historical account? Is it a autobiographical story? Is it myth?

here is a second slightly more complex story. Does the events of creation in genesis 1 the same as genesis 2 or are the events in a different order?

can you tell me in Hebrew what the great sea creatures are?

can you tell me what day it says water was created?

thanks.
I have a bachelor's of Science in biology. If you equate that to a 3rd grade education, you've kind of made my point

Yes, no, yes, yes, no, yes, with a Concordance, and day one (there was no time before creation, time is a physical dimension of space.)
 

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Whatever you have to tell yourself.

just don’t forget, I made this thread and I laid out the point of the thread very clearly. Several times I mentioned, this is not here for a debate. This is for fellowship between those who accept evolution and those who want to understand how to harmonize it. It’s not a debate for those that reject it. It’s not a place for them to disrupt. But y’all have repeatedly chosen to ignore that. But I’m willing to put up with it because three different people have reached out in the last day on Biologos.
It also helps to me because I can screenshot and sanitize the threads, removing names and so on, and showcase the type of tactics used to reject reality.
This is a Christian web site. If you want to discuss evolution, a failed theory that takes an act of faith to believe in, why don't you just take your practical atheism to an atheist site?
You'll find all sorts of agreement, at least until you mention God, but there is absolutely no point in mentioning God to evolutionists.

Evolution is defined by randomness. My lowest grade in university biology was in my adaption and evolution class, a C, specifically because "I missed the point that evolution is the result of random occurrence under environmental pressures."
I didn't miss the point, it was just never proven in the class, or anywhere else for that matter. I dealt with scientific atheism for 2 and a half years at the university that awarded my degree, and my degree was the result of fully understanding what I was taught, not agreeing with it.

Don't you understand that undermining the biblical foundations of faith is a direct attack on the truthfulness of Jesus Christ?

The very fact that you're willing to bring this to a Christian forum with members you deem intellectually inferior or ignorant is a proof of your lack of love for the brethren, and your willingness to make the less educated stumble in faith or sin in the course of argument.

Do you understand what Jesus said about that?

"He said to His disciples, “It is inevitable that stumbling blocks come, but woe to him through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble"
Luke 17:1-2

If you remain loveless, do you at least know the fear of the Lord?
 
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I’m about to leave but we will start with this simple question. Should be really easy to answer in a nutshell.

what’s the genre of genesis 1-2 and why is it that genre. What genre is it not and why is it not that genre. Whatever genre you land on, could you cite another book and chapter in the Bible that runs parallel to its development, time span and ect…

so for example is the narrative scientific literature? Is it an historical account? Is it a autobiographical story? Is it myth?

here is a second slightly more complex story. Does the events of creation in genesis 1 the same as genesis 2 or are the events in a different order?

can you tell me in Hebrew what the great sea creatures are?

can you tell me what day it says water was created?
You seem to be asking with a purpose in mind--leading the conversation. What is it you are really asking, and what is it that you are really purposing? The problem on both sides of this issue, is too much information. Just get to the point before we all go the way of the dinosaurs. Please.
 

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what’s the genre of genesis 1-2 and why is it that genre.
Genesis 1 is a POLEMIC.
However, that neither guarantees its accuracy as a historical record nor discredits it as a historic record. It merely makes “geology, planetolgy and evolutionary biology” outside of its primary focus … THEOLOGICAL truths on origins (who and why rather than when and how).
 
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I have a bachelor's of Science in biology. If you equate that to a 3rd grade education, you've kind of made my point

Yes, no, yes, yes, no, yes, with a Concordance, and day one (there was no time before creation, time is a physical dimension of space.)
Ok. So since you claim to have a bachelors degree biology…. Well let’s start with this. What’s your view. OEC? YEC? Is intelligent design part it? I’ll ignore the others, and try to have a conversation with you.
 

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Any other Christians in here interested in evolution? I mean genuinely wants to understand it.

I do understand evolution, but no, I am not particularly interested in it. I prefer to study “morphological adaptations” which occur during one lifetime and are a response to changing environmental conditions. Life really is fearfully and wonderfully made and much can be learned of the Creator from His creation.
 
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Genesis 1 is a POLEMIC.
However, that neither guarantees its accuracy as a historical record nor discredits it as a historic record. It merely makes “geology, planetolgy and evolutionary biology” outside of its primary focus … THEOLOGICAL truths on origins (who and why rather than when and how).
I would have a hard time classifying it as polemic… but I definitely agree that plays a role in it. It was undermining and disagreeing with other ancient Mesopotamian faiths.

but I think we can still work out it’s genre. when we look at genesis 1-11 we see thousands of years fly by in a few passages with several key characters and so on. We don’t see it doing that anywhere else in the Bible. The closest we get to it is the highly symbolic book of revelation.

To me the closest genre that fits genesis 1-11 is mythological. Myth does not equal lie when talking about genre anymore than fiction means lie. It has all the literary points of being a myth.

In the beginning ( a long long time ago in a distant world , in a galaxy far far away ) opening. It has a world cast in darkness and water…. Magical fruit, talking animals, a man made of mud snow as split in half ( not merely a rib ) and the other half became a woman, and angels slept with women, giants, a global flood wjere a man saved all species on earth in a ark in couples, plus seven of some others. Clearly it’s not literal.
 

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Any other Christians in here interested in evolution? I mean genuinely wants to understand it.

I do understand evolution, but no, I am not particularly interested in it. I prefer to study “morphological adaptations” which occur during one lifetime and are a response to changing environmental conditions. Life really is fearfully and wonderfully made and much can be learned of the Creator from His creation.

Sure. But adaptation is still just natural selection and evolution when you’re referring to morphological changes. Though very few morphological changes occur within a species lifetime. Do you mean learned behavior?
 

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I like the late Senator John McCain's take on it-
"I believe in evolution, but when I hike the Grand Canyon at sunset, I see the hand of God there also"
 
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