Saturday is Sabbath day...

[Sabitarian]

Jiggyfly,
I realist that we are tromping on your toes with this line of reason, but it is for your own good that I do it.

NT:4520
sabbatismos (sab-bat-is-mos'); from a derivative of NT:4521; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven):
KJV - rest.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
This is the word rest in verse 9 and following is the word rest in 10.

NT:2663
katapausis (kat-ap'-ow-sis); from NT:2664; reposing down, i.e. (by Hebraism) abode:
KJV - rest.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
NT:2664

katapauo (kat-ap-ow'-o); from NT:2596 and NT:3973; to settle down, i.e. (literally) to colonize, or (figuratively) to (cause to) desist:
KJV - cease, (give) rest (-rain).
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
This is the word cease in 10.

NT:2041
ergon (er'-gon); from a primary (but obsolete) ergo (to work); toil (as an effort or occupation); by implication, an act:
KJV - deed, doing, labour, work.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
This is the word work in 10. If you put this all together you get the rules for the Sabbath rest commanded in Exodus 8-11. I believe this concludes the lesson.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[Shirley]

Last year I kept the Saturday Sabbath for a few months while i asked the Lord if that was his will for me. Since then I realized that every day, all day, is the Sabbath for us now. I strive to stay in this rest. God gave mankind a Sabbath day rest because we all need a day off from hard labor! We all need to set aside time for worship. I have respect for Christians who keep a day of rest and for those who do not. I am learning what it really means to enter his rest. I wish I could say I am always there, but with his grace, I strive to enter daily!

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

You misunderstand the scriptures, ..

I completely disagree, and your explanation of Heb 4:9 is in complete error!

It's your choice if you want to willfully break God's Commandments, that's between you and God and at Judgement day you can explain why you did it.

And you have completely misunderstood Col 2:16-17 and taught those verses in error!

I better explain to you what those verses mean, so please listen carefully: Col 2:16-17 is referring to the yearly ceremonial Sabbaths and feast days, not referring to the Sabbath of the Lord. It refers only to the Sabbaths which were "a shadow of things to come" v17, and not to the seventh-day Sabbath. By quoting Col 2:16-17 to support the weekly Sabbath as abolished, has shown that you do not realise, or are IGNORANT of the fact that there were seven yearly holy days, or holidays, in ancient Israel which were also called sabbaths. These were in addition to, or "beside the sabbaths of the Lord" (Leviticus 23:38), or seventh-day Sabbath.

These all foreshadowed, or pointed to, the cross and ended at the cross. God's seventh-day Sabbath was made before sin entered, and therefore could foreshadow nothing about deliverance from sin. That's why Colossians chapter 2 differentiates and specifically mentions the sabbaths that were "a shadow." These seven yearly sabbaths which were abolished are listed in Leviticus chapter 23 and were part of the abolished ceremonial law, and not the eternal Moral Law-10 Commandments.

Verse 17 is saying that the sabbath days referred to in verse 16 were "shadows" of things to come. So what does that mean? The yearly ceremonial sabbaths that the Jews observed in connection with the Temple or Sanctuary were prophetic in nature. Every year the Jews were acting out the plan of salvation as demonstrated by the Temple ceremonies. The whole process was designed as a play of sorts, to explain to everyone the exact sequence of events in God's plan to redeem mankind. The focus of this plan, of course, is Jesus Christ in his role as the Lamb of God, as well as his role of High Priest or Mediator between God the Father and humanity.

So tell me, please answer this question humbly and honestly, did you even realise or know that there were yearly Sabbaths in addition to weekly Sabbaths? Yes or No?

God bless.

... Since then I realized that every day, all day, is the Sabbath for us now. ..

That was not the Holy Spirit telling you that, because anything or anyone who contradicts Scripture is not giving you words from God.

Imagine God had a HOLY MOUNTAIN, a mountain seperate from all the other mountains, and then God asks you to meet with Christians on that particular mountain every week to worship God. Imagine then someone says to you, "Don't worry about meeting on that Holy Mountain that God set aside for us, we are free to disobey that and meet on any mountain, so every mountain in this valley is OK to meet on to worship God, and avoid the Holy Mountain that God set aside"

Now tell me Shirley, what would you do?

Shirley, if you want to show allegience to the Pope, keep Sunday Holy, if you want to show allegience to Allah, keep the Muslim Friday Holy, but if you want to show allegience to Jesus alone, then keep Saturday Sabbath Holy. Your choice.

As humans, we still need a quality weekly rest to recharge our bodies for another working week. Did you know that many organisations are forcing their workers to take a whole day rest every week, because they realise that they work better when getting a weekly day rest, rather than working 7 days per week. God knew this too, so He set aside the Sabbath for us to completely disconnect from work and Earthly matters and invest quality worship time for God. Yet you have made a willful decision to ignore this!

As a Minister and Christian, I am encouraging you, by the Holy Spirit in my heart, for you to come back to the Sabbath and setting it aside. Now you have to make a decision, to conclude that I am a lost man and that I am trying to deceive you, or that I am indeed a Christian and Minister filled with the Holy Spirit and calling you to keep the Sabbath day Holy. Your choice Shirley.

And read this webpage when you got a chance, notice how many Christians are now turning away from the Pagan and Pope SUN DAY of worship and back to the Lord's true Sabbath.

http://www.biblejesu...christians.html

God bless.

 

[Sabitarian]

TruthSeaker2012,
I have to disagree with you as to the Holy Days being done away with. Why would God do away with them now and reinstitute them in the 1,000 year reign of Christ? I would need to see proof positive that any were done away with as my Master tells me different.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

TruthSeaker2012,
I have to disagree with you as to the Holy Days being done away with. ..

You better read my posts again, carefully, because I never said the Sabbath day Holy is done away with, in fact I show it's still valid. Don't skimp through people's posts, read them properly if you want to talk with me. I am a Sabbath keeping Christian, read carefully.

God bless.

 

[jiggyfly]

I completely disagree, and your explanation of Heb 4:9 is in complete error!

It's your choice if you want to willfully break God's Commandments, that's between you and God and at Judgement day you can explain why you did it.

And you have completely misunderstood Col 2:16-17 and taught those verses in error!

I better explain to you what those verses mean, so please listen carefully: Col 2:16-17 is referring to the yearly ceremonial Sabbaths and feast days, not referring to the Sabbath of the Lord. It refers only to the Sabbaths which were "a shadow of things to come" v17, and not to the seventh-day Sabbath. By quoting Col 2:16-17 to support the weekly Sabbath as abolished, has shown that you do not realise, or are IGNORANT of the fact that there were seven yearly holy days, or holidays, in ancient Israel which were also called sabbaths. These were in addition to, or "beside the sabbaths of the Lord" (Leviticus 23:38), or seventh-day Sabbath.

These all foreshadowed, or pointed to, the cross and ended at the cross. God's seventh-day Sabbath was made before sin entered, and therefore could foreshadow nothing about deliverance from sin. That's why Colossians chapter 2 differentiates and specifically mentions the sabbaths that were "a shadow." These seven yearly sabbaths which were abolished are listed in Leviticus chapter 23 and were part of the abolished ceremonial law, and not the eternal Moral Law-10 Commandments.

Verse 17 is saying that the sabbath days referred to in verse 16 were "shadows" of things to come. So what does that mean? The yearly ceremonial sabbaths that the Jews observed in connection with the Temple or Sanctuary were prophetic in nature. Every year the Jews were acting out the plan of salvation as demonstrated by the Temple ceremonies. The whole process was designed as a play of sorts, to explain to everyone the exact sequence of events in God's plan to redeem mankind. The focus of this plan, of course, is Jesus Christ in his role as the Lamb of God, as well as his role of High Priest or Mediator between God the Father and humanity.

So tell me, please answer this question humbly and honestly, did you even realise or know that there were yearly Sabbaths in addition to weekly Sabbaths? Yes or No?

Ahhh, you mean the seven year Shabbath? I know you don't have to tell me you have studied the Sabbaths for over twelve years now also, right?

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Ahhh, you mean the seven year Shabbath? I know you don't have to tell me you have studied the Sabbaths for over twelve years now also, right?

So those verses you quoted do not refer to the weekly Sabbath as you suggested, as I have shown using Scripture, they refer to the annual Sabbaths.

Let me ask you the question again, in the hope you will answer this time.

Were you aware that there were seven yearly holy days, or holidays, in ancient Israel which were also called Sabbaths and which were in addition to the weekly Sabbath? Please answer honestly and truthfully.

God bless.

 

[jiggyfly]

So those verses you quoted do not refer to the weekly Sabbath as you suggested, as I have shown using Scripture, they refer to the annual Sabbaths.

Let me ask you the question again, in the hope you will answer this time.

Were you aware that there were seven yearly holy days, or holidays, in ancient Israel which were also called Sabbaths and which were in addition to the weekly Sabbath? Please answer honestly and truthfully.

God bless.

I don't recall any mention of "yearly" by Paul in that text. I am fairly familiar with the celebrations of Israel so the answer is yes. If I am not mistaken I think I read in another of your posts that you have been born again for 12 years, and that you have studied the "tithe" that 12 years. Have you studied the Sabbaths that long also?

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

I don't recall any mention of "yearly" by Paul in that text. I am fairly familiar with the celebrations of Israel so the answer is yes. If I am not mistaken I think I read in another of your posts that you have been born again for 12 years, and that you have studied the "tithe" that 12 years. Have you studied the Sabbaths that long also?

Please don't sidestep my question, please answer my question and don't try to change the topic.

I will ask you again... and please answer honestly and truthfully for the Holy Spirit teaches us to be truthful.... Were you aware that there were seven yearly holy days, or holidays, in ancient Israel which were also called Sabbaths and which were in addition to the weekly Sabbath? The yearly sabbaths were part of the ceremonial laws that prefigured, or foreshadowed, the death and ministry of Christ. Has anyone taught you about that?
Has your Pastor ever taught you about those? Have you ever read about the annual Sabbath for yourself in Scripture? Please answer honestly and truthfully.

It's important you have an accurate understanding about the weekly and annual Sabbaths and the difference between them, because you quoted Col 2:16-17 wrongly in your post as Col 2:16-17 refers to the annual Sabbaths and not the weekly Sabbath.

Thank you jiggyfly, God bless.

 

[jiggyfly]

Please don't sidestep my question, please answer my question and don't try to change the topic.

I will ask you again... and please answer honestly and truthfully for the Holy Spirit teaches us to be truthful.... Were you aware that there were seven yearly holy days, or holidays, in ancient Israel which were also called Sabbaths and which were in addition to the weekly Sabbath? The yearly sabbaths were part of the ceremonial laws that prefigured, or foreshadowed, the death and ministry of Christ. Has anyone taught you about that?
Has your Pastor ever taught you about those? Have you ever read about the annual Sabbath for yourself in Scripture? Please answer honestly and truthfully.

It's important you have an accurate understanding about the weekly and annual Sabbaths and the difference between them, because you quoted Col 2:16-17 wrongly in your post as Col 2:16-17 refers to the annual Sabbaths and not the weekly Sabbath.

Thank you jiggyfly, God bless.

God grief dude I answered you twice now, are you blind? Please show where I have tried to change the topic. Do you need to see a "yes" one more time?

Now how about you try and stay on topic and show where Paul specifically mentions a "yearly" Sabbath in the Col.2 text. All of your claims are unsupported thus far.

 

[Shirley]

Wow I had something to say but then I noticed this is the debate forum where I don't belong.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

I cannot imagine any one foolhardy enough to question the identity of Saturday with the Sabbath or seventh day, seeing that the people of Israel have been keeping Saturday from the giving of the law 2514 B.C. to the present.... This is basic study for Bible scholars. All agree that Saturday = Sabbath!

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Mark 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

The Sabbath is not the first day of the week (Sunday), but the seventh day (Saturday). Notice from the above Scripture that the Sabbath is the day that comes just before the first day of the week.

On what day did Mary Magdalene and the other Mary go to look at the tomb?

Mat 28:1 After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

That shows that Sabbath comes before Sunday because every Christian knows that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb on Sunday, the first day of the week.

God bless.

 

[jiggyfly]

Now how about you try and stay on topic and show where Paul specifically mentions a "yearly" Sabbath in the Col.2 text. All of your claims are unsupported thus far.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Now how about you try and stay on topic and show where Paul specifically mentions a "yearly" Sabbath in the Col.2 text. All of your claims are unsupported thus far.

Dear oh dear, this is basic Christian knowledge that first year Bible students know about. I am surprised that you had no idea about the annual Sabbaths before I taught you about them. How long have you been a Christian and how long have you read Bible? have you read the entire Bible from start to end? If so, then why in goodness sake haven't you ever learned about the annual Sabbaths which were in addition to the weekly Sabbaths?

I knew straight away when you quoted Col.2 as reference to the weekly Sabbath that you had never been taught about the annual Sabbaths.

Maybe you need to read the Bible first before you discuss these topics? That may be a good idea?

God bless.

 

[jiggyfly]

Dear oh dear, this is basic Christian knowledge that first year Bible students know about. I am surprised that you had no idea about the annual Sabbaths before I taught you about them. How long have you been a Christian and how long have you read Bible? have you read the entire Bible from start to end? If so, then why in goodness sake haven't you ever learned about the annual Sabbaths which were in addition to the weekly Sabbaths?

I knew straight away when you quoted Col.2 as reference to the weekly Sabbath that you had never been taught about the annual Sabbaths.

Maybe you need to read the Bible first before you discuss these topics? That may be a good idea?

God bless.

Your mistaken about my awareness of the annual Sabbaths, but if it makes you feel good to believe you taught me something go right on believing. :lol:
Now produce your evidence that show Paul was only referring to the annual Sabbaths in that text, this shouldn't be a problem for someone as brilliant as yourself.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Your mistaken about my awareness of the annual Sabbaths, but if it makes you feel good to believe you taught me something go right on believing. :lol:
Now produce your evidence that show Paul was only referring to the annual Sabbaths in that text, this shouldn't be a problem for someone as brilliant as yourself.

jiggyfly, if you truly knew about annual Sabbaths, then why on Earth did you quote Col 2:16-17 as a reference to the weekly Sabbath? Even any serious first year Bible student knows that Col 2:16-17 refers to the "a shadow of things to come" which refers to the ANNUAL Sabbaths, and not the weekly Sabbaths!

I suggest you study in-depth Leviticus 23 and learn about these annual Sabbaths so you can avoid getting confused in the future.

So Col 2:16-17 has NOTHING to do with the weekly Sabbaths as you suggested! And I have already shown why the annual Sabbath is being discussed in Col 2, go back and read all my posts, I am not going to keep repeating myself.

Verse 17 is the key, it is saying that the Sabbath days referred to in verse 16 were "shadows" of things to come. And I am sure you are asking, "What does that mean?" because it's obvious you have never been taught about these. Well let me explain it to you again. The yearly ceremonial Sabbaths that the Jews observed in connection with the Temple or Sanctuary were prophetic in nature. Every year the Jews were acting out the plan of salvation as demonstrated by the Temple ceremonies. The whole process was designed as a play of sorts, to explain to everyone the exact sequence of events in God's plan to redeem mankind. The focus of this plan, of course, is Jesus Christ in his role as the Lamb of God, as well as his role of High Priest or Mediator between God the Father and humanity. Do you understand now? Go ask any Bible Scholar about this, he will explain it to you and why Col 2 was a reference to the YEARLY SABBATHS and not the weekly Sabbaths!

Colossians 2:16-17 would have to be one of the most abused and misunderstood Bible passage from people who hate the weekly Sabbath Commandment!

God bless.

 

[jiggyfly]

jiggyfly, if you truly knew about annual Sabbaths, then why on Earth did you quote Col 2:16-17 as a reference to the weekly Sabbath? Even any serious first year Bible student knows that Col 2:16-17 refers to the "a shadow of things to come" which refers to the ANNUAL Sabbaths, and not the weekly Sabbaths!

I suggest you study in-depth Leviticus 23 and learn about these annual Sabbaths so you can avoid getting confused in the future.

So Col 2:16-17 has NOTHING to do with the weekly Sabbaths as you suggested! And I have already shown why the annual Sabbath is being discussed in Col 2, go back and read all my posts, I am not going to keep repeating myself.

Verse 17 is the key, it is saying that the Sabbath days referred to in verse 16 were "shadows" of things to come. And I am sure you are asking, "What does that mean?" because it's obvious you have never been taught about these. Well let me explain it to you again. The yearly ceremonial Sabbaths that the Jews observed in connection with the Temple or Sanctuary were prophetic in nature. Every year the Jews were acting out the plan of salvation as demonstrated by the Temple ceremonies. The whole process was designed as a play of sorts, to explain to everyone the exact sequence of events in God's plan to redeem mankind. The focus of this plan, of course, is Jesus Christ in his role as the Lamb of God, as well as his role of High Priest or Mediator between God the Father and humanity. Do you understand now? Go ask any Bible Scholar about this, he will explain it to you and why Col 2 was a reference to the YEARLY SABBATHS and not the weekly Sabbaths!

Colossians 2:16-17 would have to be one of the most abused and misunderstood Bible passage from people who hate the weekly Sabbath Commandment!

God bless.

Where's your proof, maybe it's not me that is confused, does Paul specify in Colossians 2 which Sabbaths he is referring to? If so please show it by more than just your opinion.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Where's your proof, maybe it's not me that is confused, does Paul specify in Colossians 2 which Sabbaths he is referring to? If so please show it by more than just your opinion.

Oh dear, where is your humility to admit your error and accept truth? Pride began in Satan, and Jesus says unless a person becomes humble like a child, they will NEVER enter heaven, Matthew 18.

A Christian should admit their error as soon as they have been shown instead of digging their proud feet into the ground. I realise it may be hard for you to admit you were wrong, but humility will allow you to do so if you embrace it.

How do you feel about this webpage? Do you agree or disagree with this?

Please read this page and then come back addressing all the points made.

http://www.colossians-2-16.com/

God bless.

 

[veteran]

Jesus said the sabbath was made FOR... man, not man for... the sabbath.

So it's purpose is to benefit us, not shackle us.

The intent to keep it as... a religious function IS... the idea of keeping it as a religious 'ordinance'. And it specifically was the religoius ordinances of the law that were as a shackle.

Therefore, even though God's sabbath has not been done away with, it is no longer a 'religious' type requirement. One's regular work week may not be on Saturday or Sunday, but on each Monday or Tuesday, so one of those days would become a day of rest. Yet to prove how some are really pushing a religous ordinance, they'll say it must be kept on a certain day of the week according to Hebrew tradition, like Saturday. That's a going back into shackles per the law of 'ordinances', and not the liberty that is in Christ Jesus.

If I enjoy gardening or lawn care and it relaxes me, and chose to do it on my personal day of rest after Church, that's still observing the concept of God's sabbath, because it's a type of recreation and rest, and not subject to some religious ritual ordinance.

Likewise with the passover, Christ Jesus now is our Passover sacrificed for us. So He changed the observance of that too. We no longer do a lamb sacrifice and smear its blood upon the door posts, nor eat bitter herbs, etc, for observing it that way is a going back to religious ordinances per the law which Christ nailed to His cross.

this is truly why Christ said the sabbath was made for man, and not that man was made for the sabbath.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Jesus said the sabbath was made FOR... man, not man for... the sabbath.

So it's purpose is to benefit us, not shackle us....

I didn't agree with much what you said and it contradicts a lot of Scripture what you said...but I can tell you, the Sabbath for me is a pure delight, a day of rest and freedom and joy. I love the Sabbath, look forward to it each week, a time to rest my body from hard work all week and a time to fellowship with quality time and worship God with quality time. We can do these things everyday, HOWEVER, the Sabbath is set aside for FULL TIME rest and worship and I love it

God bless.