Saturday is Sabbath day...

[Lively Stone]

What do you believe is the purpose of the law?

Romans 3:19-20 (PHILLIPS)


[sup]19-20[/sup] We know what the message of the Law is, to those who live under it—that every excuse may die on the lips of him who makes it and no living man may think himself beyond the judgment of God. No man can justify himself before God by a perfect performance of the Law’s demands—indeed it is the straight-edge of the Law that shows us how crooked we are.

 

[James Forthwright]

Romans 3:19-20 (PHILLIPS)


[sup]19-20[/sup] We know what the message of the Law is, to those who live under it—that every excuse may die on the lips of him who makes it and no living man may think himself beyond the judgment of God. No man can justify himself before God by a perfect performance of the Law’s demands—indeed it is the straight-edge of the Law that shows us how crooked we are.

Yes, we all should humbly acknowledge our natural tendency to stray from the straight and narrow. But this should give us license to dispense with the straight-edge of the Law as a righteous guide.

 

[aspen]

What is more important, the twenty four hour time period called the Sabbath or the meaning of the Sabbath? The irony is so thick surrounding this issue! Jesus could not have been more clear that the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath - and He was talking to the legalistic pharisees! Com'mon! Wouldn't it only makes sense that the most legalistic Christians would make an issue out of the literal 24 hour period?! Seriously! Why is this an issue?

I am really glad that God has freed me from all this type of worldly thinking

AMEN!.

 

[James Forthwright]

What is more important, the twenty four hour time period called the Sabbath or the

meaning of the Sabbath?

Have you considered the possibility that observing the scripturally prescribed day for the Sabbath and "the

meaning" BOTH could be "important"?

The irony is so thick surrounding this issue! Jesus could not have been more
clear that the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath

Yes, Jesus was perfectly clear when he stated that the Sabbath was created for man.
Now if you consider yourself part of mankind why don't you observe as He and his
disciples did every week?

- and He was talking to the legalistic pharisees! Com'mon! Wouldn't it only
makes sense that the most legalistic Christians would make an issue out of the
literal 24 hour period?! Seriously! Why is this an issue?

The whole point Jesus was making in criticizing the legalistic Pharisees had
nothing to do with the '24 hour time period' or the specific day they were
observing but HOW they were going about judging and criticizing others failures
rather than staying at home and ministering unto the LORD as the Law required.

We are still obligated to follow the Ten Commandments (it is written upon the tablets
of our hearts) but we now have the Spirit of God to direct our actions to fulfill God's
sacred Law.

Seriously! Why is this an issue?

The Sabbath "an issue" because NONE of the other Ten Commandments have suddenly become
'spiritualized' and regularly ignored and IF there was to be any radical change to
any of the Ten Commandments there would have been a number of very specific NT
scriptures addressing the changes to this issue. Just consider how many NT
passages deal with circumcision (which is not one of the Ten Commandments), how
many more pertain to the Sabbath if there were to be any significant changes?

I am really glad that God has freed me from all this type of worldly thinking AMEN!.

Maybe, the REAL 'worldly thinking' is being done by those who refuse to let the LORD
be the lord to a portion of their treasured weekends? Study what the scriptures actually say
about this important topic rather than parroting the general consensus opinion by the anti-nomianists.

 

[marksman]

The first day of the week is Sunday, Tom....sorry.

This is incorrect. As we see from the creation in Genesis God spoke of a day in terms of the evening and morning, not morning and evening. The Jewish days were measured from sunset to sunset. As in the creation, evening and morning. The sabbath was the seventh day. The first day of the week followed the seventh day. The first day began at sunset on Saturday, not Sunday morning.

When the young man fell out of the window when he fell asleep whilst Paul was preaching, it is obvious that they were meeting on a Friday or Saturday night, not Sunday morning as these verses show...

Act 20:7 And on the first of the sabbaths, the disciples having been assembled to break bread, being about to depart on the morrow, Paul reasoned to them. And he continued his speech until midnight.
Act 20:8 And there were many lights in the upper room where they were assembled.
Act 20:9 And a certain young man named Eutychus was sitting on the window sill, Paul reasoning for a longer time, being overborne by sleep, he fell down from the third floor, and was taken up dead.
Act 20:10 And Paul went down and fell on him, and embracing him said, Do not be terrified, for his soul is in him.
Act 20:11 And going up, and breaking bread, and tasting, and conversing over a long time, until daybreak, he went out thus.

Point one: Paul continued his speech until midnight. If they met on Sunday morning he must have spoken for at least 12 hours.

Point two: There were many lights in the upper room. If they met Sunday morning why do they need lights?

Point three: They ate and conversed until daybreak. For a Sunday morning meeting that would mean they met for 24 hours.

Point four: They met on the first of the sabbaths. There was no notion of Sunday being a sabbath so they must have met on a Friday or Saturday evening as there was no such concept of Sunday as the Lord's day.

Point five: They assembled to bread break which means in Mid East parlance to have a meal together in early evening.

This passage alone mitigates against the idea of Sunday being the Lord's day. As has been said before, Sunday was an initiative of Constantine to make christianity palatable for the worshipers of the sun god who met on Sundays. Several books I have read that detail church history all say this.

 

[James Forthwright]

You are partially correct, the Sabbath is/was/shall be from sundown Friday evening to sundown Saturday evening.

So, the original poster was correct, the first day of the week (Sunday) begins at sundown Saturday till sundown Sunday. If you look at most calendars, they will usually position Sunday to the far left as the first day of the week.

 

[Sabitarian]

Christians??? Do you even read the Book? How can you take one of the laws that were written with the Finger of God [Yeshshua or Christ] and do away with it? Christ in Matthew 5: 17-18 tells you that He came not to change the law, but to fulfill it. What does that mean, it means that He was the supreme sacrifice and fulfilled all of the sacrifices all of the way to the beginning when He provided skins to cover Adam and Eve with. The sacrificial law was added to allow the Children of Israel to not be cast out for their apostacy for creating the golden calf. Only blood can cover sin, but the blood of animals is a poor substitute for the blood of Christ, shed once for all. Now, the sacrifices were covered, but what about the Feast Days? Nothing tells us that any of them were done away with. As with circumcision which was not done away with, but changed to the heart, there are many scriptures which tell of the change, so you can not miss the change.
So, what was the meaning of the veil being torn? It was the allowance of Gentiles into the family of God. So why did the Gentiles come back into the Synagogue for 3 weeks to here Paul expound on the true religion? Where did they have to come to here the message? The Synagogue of the Jews who met on the Sabbath of God, not the Sabbath of the Jews. Remember many of them were against Paul and tried to kill him. By the way who taught Paul the true religion, man or God?
There is a $1,000,000.00 reward for any scripture which specifically states that the first day of the week is the day of worship. Now try to collect it as it has been offered long before you were born and still has not been claimed. If you try to believe that you have been freeded from the law, guess again, for the law was never done away with according to God. Remember in the Book of Exodus that there were strangers in the ranks of the Children of Israel and they had to follow the same laws as the Israelites. There was no difference allowed between them and the Israelites, all had to follow the same laws or face the punishment specified in the law. There is neither Jew nor Gentile! All are to enter into the body of Christ. Strangers were grafted into the body of the Olive Tree as some Israelites were pruned out. It makes no difference with God whether you are Jew or Gentile as all are one in Christ, as long as they follow the laws of God and they are not Jewish laws as they have been since the beginning of time.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[James Forthwright]

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep
his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." -- Ecc_12:13

 

[jiggyfly]

Christians??? Do you even read the Book? How can you take one of the laws that were written with the Finger of God [Yeshshua or Christ] and do away with it? Christ in Matthew 5: 17-18 tells you that He came not to change the law, but to fulfill it. What does that mean, it means that He was the supreme sacrifice and fulfilled all of the sacrifices all of the way to the beginning when He provided skins to cover Adam and Eve with. The sacrificial law was added to allow the Children of Israel to not be cast out for their apostacy for creating the golden calf. Only blood can cover sin, but the blood of animals is a poor substitute for the blood of Christ, shed once for all. Now, the sacrifices were covered, but what about the Feast Days? Nothing tells us that any of them were done away with. As with circumcision which was not done away with, but changed to the heart, there are many scriptures which tell of the change, so you can not miss the change.
So, what was the meaning of the veil being torn? It was the allowance of Gentiles into the family of God. So why did the Gentiles come back into the Synagogue for 3 weeks to here Paul expound on the true religion? Where did they have to come to here the message? The Synagogue of the Jews who met on the Sabbath of God, not the Sabbath of the Jews. Remember many of them were against Paul and tried to kill him. By the way who taught Paul the true religion, man or God?
There is a $1,000,000.00 reward for any scripture which specifically states that the first day of the week is the day of worship. Now try to collect it as it has been offered long before you were born and still has not been claimed. If you try to believe that you have been freeded from the law, guess again, for the law was never done away with according to God. Remember in the Book of Exodus that there were strangers in the ranks of the Children of Israel and they had to follow the same laws as the Israelites. There was no difference allowed between them and the Israelites, all had to follow the same laws or face the punishment specified in the law. There is neither Jew nor Gentile! All are to enter into the body of Christ. Strangers were grafted into the body of the Olive Tree as some Israelites were pruned out. It makes no difference with God whether you are Jew or Gentile as all are one in Christ, as long as they follow the laws of God and they are not Jewish laws as they have been since the beginning of time.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away.8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life?9 If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God!10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way.11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
2 Cor 3:7-11 (NLT)

21 Jesus replied, “Believe me, dear woman, the time is coming when it will no longer matter whether you worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem.22 You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews.23 But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.24 For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:21-24 (NLT)

Seems to me that God has done a new thing and has a new way for us to relate to Him.

 

[Sabitarian]

Jiggyfly,
I constantly wonder about people like you who have no idea of the Word of God or its meaning. Please find me any scripture that plainly states that God the Father or Son ever stated that the first day of the week is the day of worship. “O”, by the way you did notice that information is worth $1,000,000.00 to you.
2 Cor 3:7-11

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
KJV

You misrepresent this scripture, as it is saying that the glory of Moses countenance was going away not the law written on the stone tablets. Yes the law written on the tablets does condemn your sins, however you do not throw out the baby with the bath water, you keep them always in your mind so you do not transgress them, not throw them away.

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
KJV

Matt 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
KJV
These words are from the Son, do you dispute them? Do you propose to teach another gospel than the one taught by the Master? The Word condemns diverting to the right or to the left of scripture. You must always stay with the straight and narrow application of the Word.
John 4: 21-24
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
KJV
I guess you missed the reference made by your own scripture that Salvation is of the Jews. The trunk of the vine is Christ and branches are pruned out and grafted in, however the only way is the way of the Father and that includes the Ten Commandments. Remember the words of Christ, anyone who breaks any of the least of them is guilty of all and now you say the first day is the day of worship transgressing the law of God. Surely you do not expect salvation teaching other than the laws of God?
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[jiggyfly]

Jiggyfly,
I constantly wonder about people like you who have no idea of the Word of God or its meaning. Please find me any scripture that plainly states that God the Father or Son ever stated that the first day of the week is the day of worship. “O”, by the way you did notice that information is worth $1,000,000.00 to you.
2 Cor 3:7-11

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
KJV

You misrepresent this scripture, as it is saying that the glory of Moses countenance was going away not the law written on the stone tablets. Yes the law written on the tablets does condemn your sins, however you do not throw out the baby with the bath water, you keep them always in your mind so you do not transgress them, not throw them away.

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
KJV

Matt 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
KJV
These words are from the Son, do you dispute them? Do you propose to teach another gospel than the one taught by the Master? The Word condemns diverting to the right or to the left of scripture. You must always stay with the straight and narrow application of the Word.
John 4: 21-24
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
KJV
I guess you missed the reference made by your own scripture that Salvation is of the Jews. The trunk of the vine is Christ and branches are pruned out and grafted in, however the only way is the way of the Father and that includes the Ten Commandments. Remember the words of Christ, anyone who breaks any of the least of them is guilty of all and now you say the first day is the day of worship transgressing the law of God. Surely you do not expect salvation teaching other than the laws of God?
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

There isn't any to my knowledge and I never claimed there was. My post was to show that those who preach that today one must keep the sabbath in the same manner as the instructions to Israel are in errant and have no idea what God's word means, which is why I posted the scripture from Paul's letter to the believers at Corinth.

Obviously you are misreading the scripture. Notice Paul says in verse 7 that the"ministration written and engraven in stones was glorious" and then in verse 11 he says that this same glorious thing has been done away with.

Now here is one to boot for you.
1 So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law.2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you.3 I’ll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey every regulation in the whole law of Moses.4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.
Gal 5:1-4 (NLT)

and,

16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.
Col 2:16-17 (NLT)

But I am curious as to how you think you could actually keep the sabbath holy?

 

[Sabitarian]

Jiggyfly,
I really hate you errant Bible. It does scripture no justice at all.

Gal 5:1-4
5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
KJV

In this scripture the author is telling us not to be entangled in the sacrificial law which was fulfilled by Christ by His blood. It is assumed that either Paul or Timothy wrote Galatians as both had similar style. Paul speaks of the law many different times, however there are different laws. Ceremonial and Sacrificial, Ceremonial law is the law given at the beginning of time to Adam and Eve after their fall from grace. Sacrificial law was given after the Ceremonial law given in Exodus. The food laws are part of the Ceremonial law. Circumcision was a big deal to the Jews for it set them apart, however God had already made it of the heart as He had stated many times in scripture that He was going to do it. Thus circumcision of the flesh would mean you were following Sacrificial Law, but it was annulled when the Veil was torn. The Jews continued to do sacrifices until the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV

In this scripture you need to understand the times in which it was given, as it was pertinent to the time it was given in. The pagans and Jews were persecuting the new believers and trying to sway them to their ways. The pagans back to sacrificing to their goddesses and the Jews to the Sacrificial Law, which was then annulled by Christ. Therefore Paul had to give them some support in the new beliefs they were endeavoring to follow. The Jews were telling them that eating meat sacrificed to a goddess was a sin, even if as long as it was clean meat God had no problem with it, for it was just meat the sacrifice to a goddess had no meaning. The new believers were expected to follow the Ceremonial Laws as all believers were. Plus Paul was at times hurrying to get to Jerusalem to celebrate different Holy Days, so he would have made no difference in his behavior than the new believers he was bringing into the faith. He was teaching the way taught him by the Son who had given him the ways of the Father. The strangers among the Children of Israel were expected to follow all of the laws that Israel did at the time. In Paul’s time there were Messianic Jews following the same ways.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[jiggyfly]

Jiggyfly,
I really hate you errant Bible. It does scripture no justice at all.

Gal 5:1-4
5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
KJV

In this scripture the author is telling us not to be entangled in the sacrificial law which was fulfilled by Christ by His blood. It is assumed that either Paul or Timothy wrote Galatians as both had similar style. Paul speaks of the law many different times, however there are different laws. Ceremonial and Sacrificial, Ceremonial law is the law given at the beginning of time to Adam and Eve after their fall from grace. Sacrificial law was given after the Ceremonial law given in Exodus. The food laws are part of the Ceremonial law. Circumcision was a big deal to the Jews for it set them apart, however God had already made it of the heart as He had stated many times in scripture that He was going to do it. Thus circumcision of the flesh would mean you were following Sacrificial Law, but it was annulled when the Veil was torn. The Jews continued to do sacrifices until the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

I see no mention of sacrificial law here in this scripture but I do see in verse 3 the whole law mentioned.
I see no such separation of the law in Paul's writings can you post some? I have posted 2 Cor. 3 where Paul puts all the law including the ten commandments into the old covenant with Israel. Now you can accuse me of misunderstanding scripture and using inferior translations but I do not have to invent and add to what is conveyed in the scriptures to support my beliefs.

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV

In this scripture you need to understand the times in which it was given, as it was pertinent to the time it was given in. The pagans and Jews were persecuting the new believers and trying to sway them to their ways. The pagans back to sacrificing to their goddesses and the Jews to the Sacrificial Law, which was then annulled by Christ. Therefore Paul had to give them some support in the new beliefs they were endeavoring to follow. The Jews were telling them that eating meat sacrificed to a goddess was a sin, even if as long as it was clean meat God had no problem with it, for it was just meat the sacrifice to a goddess had no meaning. The new believers were expected to follow the Ceremonial Laws as all believers were. Plus Paul was at times hurrying to get to Jerusalem to celebrate different Holy Days, so he would have made no difference in his behavior than the new believers he was bringing into the faith. He was teaching the way taught him by the Son who had given him the ways of the Father. The strangers among the Children of Israel were expected to follow all of the laws that Israel did at the time. In Paul’s time there were Messianic Jews following the same ways.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

Where in this context of scripture do you see any evidence that "Jews were telling them eating meat sacrificed to a goddess was a sin, even if as long as it was clean meat God had no problem with it, for it was just meat the sacrifice to a goddess had no meaning"?

22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Acts 15:22-29 (KJV)

 

[Episkopos]

Sabbath-keeping...as it is popularly known, falls far short of the purpose of God.We are to be holy as God Himself is holy...ALWAYS. That is the commandment of the New Covenant.

OF the 10 commandments, the first 4 are holiness laws to be kept before God, and the subsequent 6 are righteousness laws to be kept towards men (in God's sight of course).

The New Civenant grace empowers us to fulfill the whole law....not through our efforts and legalistic nit-picking as the Pharisees of old...but in the power of the Holy Spirit.

The Sabbath is trumpeted because it is easy to fulfill in human legalistic effort. Or so the carnal reasoning goes. This effort then is a source of justification for the one who thinks he is being holier than those who do not observe the day.

But the Sabbath is the Lord's and must be walked in through the Spirit. We are to CEASE FOM OUR OWN THOUGHTS. We are to cease from our own ways. No one can do this one day a week only to return to the normal carnal state for the rest of the week!! To think this is carnal in the extreme.

So the true Sabbath keepers are those who have PERMANENTLY ceased from their own ways, opinions and even thoughts in order to take on the mind of Christ...and so REMAIN and ABIDE continually. THAT is our CONTINUAL Sabbath rest. Or does God shut off His holiness for the other six days that we live here on earth?

For those who think the Sabbath law concerns labour relations...

Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Does this mean that those who disobey God are forced to work overtime on saturday? Perhaps those who push legality on us should attend union meetings rather than church meetings!

So therefore the Sabbatarians are following their own thoughts even as they purport to be serving God. Isaiah speaks of these..

Isa_65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;


Israel kept the Sabbath day yet were a rebellious people...because they did not observe the Sabbath in the Spirit.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

...so why do so many worship on Sunday, the first day of the week?

I am a Sabbath keeping Christian because I obey Jesus and not the Pope. But I don't keep the Sabbath day Holy out of legalism, I do it because I am already saved and because I love Jesus and faithful to Jesus alone.

There are now over 500 different Christian denominations who also have decided to be loyal and faithful to Jesus and not the Pope, so they keep Sabbath day Holy and not the Catholic and Pope Sunday.

Sun day has it's origin in Paganism, they used to worship the SUN on that DAY, hence "SUNDAY", and around 384AD, the Catholic Council decided to make SUNDAY the new "sabbath".

You show loyalty to who you follow by the day you keep Holy!

If you keep Friday holy, you show loyalty to Mohammad and the Quran!

If you keep Sunday holy you show loyalty to the Pope and the Catholic Catechism!

Yet if you keep Saturday Holy [the true Sabbath], then you show loyalty to Jesus and the Bible.

http://www.biblejesu...christians.html

 

[Sabitarian]

Rom 2:12-27

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
KJV

NT:460
anomos (an-om'-oce); adverb from NT:459; lawlessly, i.e. (specially) not amenable to (the Jewish) law:

KJV - without law.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

NT:3551
nomos (nom'-os); from a primary nemo (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), genitive case (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle):

KJV - law.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

NT:3551
nomos (nom'-os); from a primary nemo (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), genitive case (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle):

KJV - law.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

I have now shown you two different words that are translated law, with different spelling and yet they are law, plus two in 3551 category spelled differently and yet translated law. Nomoo-nomou–nomos are all translated law. Could there be more than one law? Are we missing something in translation?
I do not follow the law trying to earn salvation, as I have posted previously no one can earn salvation, it is a free gift of God, however He will not give salvation to anyone who will not enjoy it and most Christians will not like it at all as it is not what they expect it to be.
However if you turn your back from following the laws of God as the Israelites did how can you expect a different outcome.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

...But I am curious as to how you think you could actually keep the sabbath holy?

By not working on the Saturday, instead attend Church fellowship, spend quality time with family, enjoy going out to the forest, enjoy and relax on the day, thinking about God, spending quality time thanking God, and not focus on earthly matters.

God bless.

 

[jiggyfly]

1 Then Moses called together the whole community of Israel and told them, “These are the instructions the Lord has commanded you to follow.2 You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the Lord. Anyone who works on that day must be put to death.3 You must not even light a fire in any of your homes on the Sabbath.”​

Ex 35:1-3 (NLT)

Have you put to death anyone who works on the Sabbath?

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

1 Then Moses called together the whole community of Israel and told them, “These are the instructions the Lord has commanded you to follow.2 You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the Lord. Anyone who works on that day must be put to death.3 You must not even light a fire in any of your homes on the Sabbath.”​

Ex 35:1-3 (NLT)

Have you put to death anyone who works on the Sabbath?

That shows how serious God viewed Sabbath breaking! But under grace and the new covenant, God no longer asks us to kill Sabbath breakers, but God never abolished it either.

When Moses entered the village and murdered and slaughtered women and children, it was part of God's will and God commanded Moses to do it..but surely you will not like saying that God orders you to do it today? But remember, it's a FACT, God Himself commanded Moses to murder women and children.

So God has changed in how He deals with sinners under the New Covenant, but it doesn't mean we are now free to willfully sin and break any of the 10 Commandments. In fact, the Sabbath is a sign between God and His true children, The Sabbath does not belong to anybody, but to God only, and obeying this commandment makes it a sign of belonging to Him. [Eze 20:12,20] Hence its importance. But it's an act out of love alone because we are saved by grace.

You show loyalty to who you follow by the day you keep Holy!

If you keep Friday holy, you show loyalty to Mohammad and the Quran!

If you keep Sunday holy you show loyalty to the Pope and the Catholic Catechism!

Yet if you keep Saturday Holy [the true Sabbath], then you show loyalty to Jesus and the Bible.

Hebrews 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

God bless.

 

[jiggyfly]

That shows how serious God viewed Sabbath breaking! But under grace and the new covenant, God no longer asks us to kill Sabbath breakers, but God never abolished it either.

When Moses entered the village and murdered and slaughtered women and children, it was part of God's will and God commanded Moses to do it..but surely you will not like saying that God orders you to do it today? But remember, it's a FACT, God Himself commanded Moses to murder women and children.

So God has changed in how He deals with sinners under the New Covenant, but it doesn't mean we are now free to willfully sin and break any of the 10 Commandments. In fact, the Sabbath is a sign between God and His true children, The Sabbath does not belong to anybody, but to God only, and obeying this commandment makes it a sign of belonging to Him. [Eze 20:12,20] Hence its importance. But it's an act out of love alone because we are saved by grace.

You show loyalty to who you follow by the day you keep Holy!

If you keep Friday holy, you show loyalty to Mohammad and the Quran!

If you keep Sunday holy you show loyalty to the Pope and the Catholic Catechism!

Yet if you keep Saturday Holy [the true Sabbath], then you show loyalty to Jesus and the Bible.

Hebrews 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

God bless.

You misunderstand the scriptures, the subject in Hebrews 4:9 is not the Sabbath it is rest and more importantly when kept in context it is God's rest.

16 And who was it who rebelled against God, even though they heard his voice? Wasn’t it the people Moses led out of Egypt?17 And who made God angry for forty years? Wasn’t it the people who sinned, whose corpses lay in the wilderness?18 And to whom was God speaking when he took an oath that they would never enter his rest? Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed him?19 So we see that because of their unbelief they were not able to enter his rest. 1 God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it.2 For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. 3 For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said,
“In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’”
even though this rest has been ready since he made the world.4 We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” 5 But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” 6 So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God.7 So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted:
“Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.”
8 Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come.9 So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God.10 For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world.11 So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall.
Heb 3:16-4:11 (NLT)

Notice that in this context it is not a time of rest, it is a place of rest.

The Sabbath given to Israel through Moses was but a mere shadow of the rest that God has for us in Christ Jesus and it can only be entered and enjoyed by faith in Christ. Tis why Jesus said "Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest."

So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality. Col.2:16&17

To attempt to keep the law and observe the Sabbaths as Israel was instructed by God through Moses is to look to the shadow or dim outline rather than the reality.