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GISMYS_7
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Read in context and learn===We born-again believers will escape(be raptured) before the years of wrath (great tribulation) 1 Thessalonians 5:9
Luke 21:36 NKJV Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass
David Boyer
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Who else escaped trouble in the Bible the way you propose?
All other examples are of God's people going through tribulations.
It does not appear to be consistent with the rest of Gods word.
Are you saying that God is not consistent?
GISMYS_7
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Again!! Go back and read in context the scripture I posted!!! Read and learn===We born-again believers will escape(be raptured) before the years of wrath (great tribulation) 1 Thessalonians 5:9
Luke 21:36 NKJV Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass
Wrangler
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Only God the Father is explicitly identified in Scripture. That's good enough for me. However, this thread is not to hash that out again. It is about the people of the world unknowingly rushing toward their end.
GISMYS_7
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Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age” Matthew 28:16-20
David Boyer
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Again... I can read the context. I disagree with your interpretation. The context is the same for us both, but I would like you to describe your ideas in your words with scripture references to back up your claims. That's all.
GISMYS_7
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I have!!! Now I will try to waste no more of my time!!!!
Again!! Go back and read in context the scripture I posted!!! Read and learn===We born-again believers will escape(be raptured) before the years of wrath (great tribulation) 1 Thessalonians 5:9
Luke 21:36 NKJV Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass
Again!! Go back and read in context the scripture I posted!!! Read and learn===We born-again believers will escape(be raptured) before the years of wrath (great tribulation) 1 Thessalonians 5:9
Luke 21:36 NKJV Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass
David Boyer
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What am I looking for in context?
I see that there is no reference to a Pre-Trib Rapture, just a Rapture.
Prove your timing.
GISMYS_7
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I thess. 4
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be ""caught up""together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
David Boyer
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Right. There will be a Rapture. But nothing in the "context" you provided mentions a Pre-Trib timeline. If anything it mentions the "trump of God" which would indicate somewhere near the end of the Tribulation.
GISMYS_7
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We born-again believers will escape(be raptured) before the years of wrath (great tribulation) 1 Thessalonians 5:9
Luke 21:36 NKJV Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass
Mantis
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So there is some mystery to this. When I first read the Bible a few times it sure seemed like there was no rapture until the very end:
1Co 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raisedincorruptible, and we shall be changed.
But someone pointed out to me that the church is not mentioned after revelation 5. That is very interesting.
Jer 30:7: Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Jacob is the jews so where are the christians? Watching from heaven?
1Co 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raisedincorruptible, and we shall be changed.
But someone pointed out to me that the church is not mentioned after revelation 5. That is very interesting.
Jer 30:7: Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Jacob is the jews so where are the christians? Watching from heaven?
David Boyer
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Where is this Pre-Trib time mentioned?
You keep posting the same cut/copy/paste response.
Is this the extent of your faith? Cut/Copy/Paste?
GISMYS_7
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ROFL!!! Think!!!! If believers are spared the great tribulation wrath then they must not still be here but were raptured!!!=pre trib. rapture!!!
David Boyer
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If the church is mentioned in Revelaton 2+3 then there should be a mention of them being removed before Rev 5.
Right?
But if they are not mentioned.... maybe you just are not looking at the right references.
Would not the following be references to the church?
Those in white robes
Candlesticks
Saints
Those who had not taken the Mark of the Beast
Those called to the marriage supper of the Lamb
ETC.
David Boyer
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Nope... you can be spared something and still remain where you are.
Noah, Lot, Israel in Egypt, etc. Saved through the troubles; spared the wrath but had to endure the tribulations.
GISMYS_7
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Think!!! Paul has no problem talking and naming the church. The church is in heaven while the years of the great tribulation are here on earth. God answered our prayers and we escaped!!!PTL.
David Boyer
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What church? Where is the verses for this... not the same ones you posted as I debunked that already.
Show me the verse where Paul names a church, says it is in heaven, while the great tribulation is going on.
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