You corroborate 17 of your faulty reasons with your own faulty opinion.
Not so. That is why you avoid every single point.
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You corroborate 17 of your faulty reasons with your own faulty opinion.
Where does 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 say anything about "the Millennium"? I'm not asking where those words are used, but where the concept of it is referenced there. That passage is talking about the end when Jesus destroys all of His enemies and delivers the kingdom over to the Father. I see nothing about the thousand years there whatsoever.
I don't know if I will be alive when He comes or not. We will see. But, what does this have to do with what we're discussing?
There are many scriptures that support the physical Millennium:You're not able to support your interpretation of Revelation 20 with other scripture. You've made that very clear. So, what do you do? Change the rest of scripture to fit your interpretation of Revelation 20.
But going after heretics will not change Revelation 20, and the literal future kingdom on earth. It is avoiding the points in the OP. Can we not just place the points that are merely your opinion in the trash bin, as opinions around here are frowned upon?I'm just highlighting the duplicity of the Premillennial interpretation. There is no consistency with it. It is all over the place. You are selective when you want to spiritualize something. The fact is, Revelation 20 is oozing in symbolism. For you to insist on a literal wooden thousand years makes no sense. After all, there is no previous teaching on this anywhere else in the sacred pages.
So you are saying Satan was not on earth ruling with the FP and beast, but was in a heavenly spiritual kingdom?Revelation 20:1-6 is very simple and easy to explain, those seen are in the spiritual realm, no kingdom or mortal humans on earth are seen and you know this
Angel, Heaven, Satan, Devil, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, that doesn't equate to a literal Kingdom on this Earth, with mortal humans running about as you believe and teach
Those seen are 100% in the spiritual realm of the Lord's one day is a thousand years, "No Literal Earthly Time" it's that simple
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2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Of course you all are hyper literal in your symbolism, not really any literal aspect of life. Hyper literal in your spiritual application, but little application in the here and now. Pre-mill explain away all Amil hyper literal spiritualism. None of it is Scripture.Finally, Premillennialist realize that we are the true literalists. They explain away so much in order to let their doctrine fit.
Your response is confusion and non-senseSo you are saying Satan was not on earth ruling with the FP and beast, but was in a heavenly spiritual kingdom?
Those people do not march across the breadth of earth, but march across a spiritual cloud and consumed by spiritual hazing fire?
You are part of the dead, you have had no resurrection, you must just be a spiritual bot, then?
Who says it is established at the Second Coming? Do you mean of the earth kingdom or of a separate time kingdom? The temporal was established with sin.I believe that is strong evidence against the concept of a temporal physical earthly kingdom being established when He returns.
A Literal Kingdom on this earth isn't seen in Revelation 20:1-6, it's 100% spiritual realmBut going after heretics will not change Revelation 20, and the literal future kingdom on earth. It is avoiding the points in the OP. Can we not just place the points that are merely your opinion in the trash bin, as opinions around here are frowned upon?
The resurrection is a singular event starting with Lazarus that is still ongoing.It's always funny when Premils talk like this. Do you accept "the ordinary and plain saying" from this text:
John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
Jesus very clearly indicated that a singular time (singular event - not two, but one) is coming during which all of the dead will be resurrected. Is that how you interpret this passage? Do you use your "ordinary and plain" text approach to this passage so that you interpret it for "just what it says"?
Lazarus was "Raised From The Dead" he wasn't "Resurrected" as you claimThe resurrection is a singular event starting with Lazarus that is still ongoing.
God's Word is amazing:Oh, it will last exactly 60 minutes? Not 57 minutes and 27 seconds or 63 minutes and 39 seconds? Exactly 60 minutes? Wow, that's amazing.
Is that what it says? I don't think that is correct.According to scripture the coming kingdom (the kingdom in its fullness) will be such that there will be no mortal flesh and blood there (1 Corinthians 15:50)
Not any more useless than the OP stating personal opinion. Are we ruling out personal opinion on the topic. Seems hypocritical to favor one set of opinions, but not another.Another useless and pointless post from Timtofly. There's too many of those to count at this point.
So, do you think the literal beast has seven literal heads and ten literal horns as well?
You're not able to support your interpretation of Revelation 20 with other scripture. You've made that very clear. So, what do you do? Change the rest of scripture to fit your interpretation of Revelation 20.
I am not avoiding. It is your opinion. You are avoiding that fact. Other posters have pointed out that most of the points are not mainstream. So your opinion and these fringe groups do not belong in a discussion about pre-mill. Both your opinion and theirs is wrong. But certainly pre-mill is not wrong.Not so. That is why you avoid every single point.
This does not make sense. Your spiritual is not God's spiritual. You are just saying that Satan is a righteous spiritual being with no carnality. The same with the dead. You are still in a state of death yourself thus literally only spiritual. You have removed all physical attributes from even yourself as you are in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. You are a soul, thus only spiritual in your logic. My merely putting these words about you in this post makes it so.A Literal Kingdom on this earth isn't seen in Revelation 20:1-6, it's 100% spiritual realm
Angel, Heaven, Satan, Devil, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% spiritual, minus your claimed Kingdom on this earth
Jesus said the hour is coming and now is when all shall hear His voice. Lazarus heard the voice and came out of Abraham's bosom. Lazarus had been in Abraham's bosom for 4 days. At what point is one in Abraham's bosom, but still considered not dead yet?Lazarus was "Raised From The Dead" he wasn't "Resurrected" as you claim
John 12:17KJV
17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.
The word mortal by definition means they are not in the Millennium. The 1,000 years is not an evolutionary process like the here and now. The Second birth is ongoing changing the soul/mind but not the body.Is that what it says? I don't think that is correct.
Show that statement please. I think you'll find that's not what it actually says. No mortals in the 1000 year kingdom? No, it doesn't say that.
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I am not avoiding. It is your opinion. You are avoiding that fact. Other posters have pointed out that most of the points are not mainstream. So your opinion and these fringe groups do not belong in a discussion about pre-mill. Both your opinion and theirs is wrong. But certainly pre-mill is not wrong.
Even in this thread Amil don't agree on all points. Does that mean Amil is also wrong and unbiblical?
From a biblical perspective this thread should be: "Why I forsook Scripture teaching the pre-mill view because of human opinion and theology."