John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

He was referring to God being IN Christ.

Not that God was Jesus.

“…God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them” (2 Corinthians 5:19)

Completely wrong

GOD was made visible in the flesh

Which is what John says in 1.1 and 1.18 in his Gospel

Jesus Christ Who is YHWH became flesh at His Incarnation.

This is also clear in Malachi 3.1

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

@ByGraceThroughFaith

God is in us. But we are not God.

“…God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.” (1 John 4:12)

As usual you twist the Bible

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

@ByGraceThroughFaith

God is in us. But we are not God.

“…God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.” (1 John 4:12)

Look at #247

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Completely wrong

As usual you twist the Bible

The scripture says exactly what I said.

Stop denying the truth.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

Trinitarian soap box

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

The scripture says exactly what I said.

Stop denying the truth.

Try to refute #247

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Well Im sure others will understand it, so let's see if they answer the question put

Looks like you are another who denies that Jesus Christ is YHWH

Probably a Jehovahs Witness

 

[Keiw]

No one is claiming God has a God. Jesus said he has a God, who is the father to us all, proving Jesus is not God. Simple.

trinity religions teach Jesus is God-Jesus teaches he has a God-Thus they are teaching in plain english-God has a God.

 

[Keiw]

In Hebrews 1:8, it is very clear, that God the Father addresses Jesus Christ, and says directly to Him, "Your Throne O God is for ever"

Even the Unitarian New Testament by George Noyes, reads here, : “but of the Son: ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever”.

Another Unitarian, the Greek scholar, Dr Winer, says of the Greek in this verse:

“The nominative (with the article) is sometimes used in an address, particularly in calling or commanding, thus taking the place of the vocative…H. i.8” (A Treatise on the Grammar of New Testament Greek, p.227)

This means, that it can only read, "Your Throne O God", and not as corrupted by some, "God is your Throne"

Even though both these scholars are Unitarians, who reject that Jesus Christ is Almighty God, they yet on this verse, are honest to say what it really means, and not force their theology!

These words in Hebrews 1, are taken from Psalm 45:6-7, which is a Prophecy of the Coming Messiah. In the Jewish Aramaic Targum on the Psalm, the words are used as a direct address to Jehovah, “The throne of Thy majesty, O Jehovah, abideth for ever and ever.” (Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges).

The Hebrew scholar, Aquila, who published a Greek Version of the Old Testament, in the middle of the 2nd century A.D., translates the Hebrew, by the Greek, “ο θρονος σου θεε”, which is undoubtedly the vocative, “Your throne, O God”. (Fredrick Field, Origen Hexapla, vol. II, pp. 162-163). It is clear, that as early as the 2nd century, the Hebrew was understood as the vocative, and not the nominative.

You are completely wrong in your supposing, that the elders in Revelation 5:13-14, only Worshipped the Father. This is your personal view and nothing to do with the context. In verse 13, "And ALL of the Creation, which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and on the sea, and all things that are in them, heard I saying, to Him Who sits on the throne, and unto the Lamb, be ALL the blessing, and ALL the honour, and ALL the glory, and ALL the might, for ever and ever" (so emphasized in the Greek). ALL that is here ascribed to God the Father, is EQUALLY ascribed to Jesus Christ. Note the words, “τω καθημενω επι του θρονου και τω αρνιω”, “to Him Who sits on the throne AND to the Lamb”, where the Greek conjunction, “και”, is used for “sameness”, with absolute equality. IF, as you say, that Jesus Christ is not God, then there is no way that He could ever have been included WITH the Father, to receive ALL of what the Father does! The Bible is against what you believe.

Also, in Revelation 1:17, and 2:8, we read of Jesus Christ say of Himself, that He is, "the first and the last". Another Unitarian, Dr Joseph Thayer says of the words, " ὁ πρῶτος καί ὁ ἔσχατος, i.e. the eternal One" (Greek Lewxicon, page, 554). Which can ONLY mean that Jesus Christ is UNCREATED, and ETERNAL. Add to this the words of Jesus Christ in chapter 22, “I am THE Alpha and THE Omega, THE First and THE Last, THE Beginning and THE End”. In Isaiah 44:6, we read, “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am THE First and I am THE Last; besides me there is no god”. It is not only impossible for Jesus to have said these words about Himself, IF, as some teach, that He is no more than a mere “created” being, but, it would also be the highest form of blasphemy. However, we are confident from what we read in the Infallible Word of God, that there can be no doubt, that Jesus Christ, IS indeed ALMIGHTY GOD, without beginning or end, as are God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit.

Catholicism translating is found in your bibles. They translated errors in to fit false council teachings=100% fact. Their own Greek lexicon translating proves 100% a god belongs in the last line at John 1:1. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation--Fact-All creation occurred at the beginning. Firstborn = created direct-first and last, then all other things created through him. He tells you he was created at Proverbs 8= Gods master worker, the one by Gods side during creation. Daniel 7:13-15-- Jesus being appointed to a kingship-If hewere God he already would have been king. Someone like a son of man= a created being given a kingship.

 

[Wrangler]

Scripture is explicit that Jesus is not God as it says, 'For us, there is only one God, the Father,' which agrees with Jesus saying he has a God - who we relate to as our father - who is the only true God. That is good enough for me. Why is that good enough for you?

Who is Romans 10.13 referring to

You will ask me again?! What about my questions that you aren’t answering?

This passage is about Jesus Christ

Not really answering my question above in blue, is it?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Watch out for people who try to dazzle you with big words and intellectual double-talk. They want to drag you off into endless arguments that never amount to anything. They spread their ideas through the empty traditions of human beings and the empty superstitions of spirit beings.

There are no dazzling/traditions/superstitions here = ONLY The Word Of God, Christ, The Living Word, And His WRITTEN Word, Scriptures!:

500 Plain And Clear Passages The LORD Jesus Christ Is Almighty God!

Amen.

Grace, Peace, And JOY In HIM!!

 

[Wrangler]

trinity religions teach Jesus is God-Jesus teaches he has a God-Thus they are teaching in plain english-God has a God.

Also, have you noticed the passion for the trinity is the man-is-god thesis?

They make ridiculous, intellectually dishonest claims, like this thread's OP - that Jesus is YHWH - with no explicit Scriptural evidence. All the verses they rely on are ambiguous where they insist their interpretation apply. Have you ever noticed that?

However, such verses do not imply their doctrine as that requires the verses to be a necessary consequence when it is only a possible consequence IF you take it out of context. And the context is detailed in my signature. The basic problem of trinitarianism is the Bible is written written by monotheist Jews, which means Scripture is the unitarian text.

 

[Wrangler]

There are no dazzling/traditions/superstitions here = ONLY The Word Of God, Christ, The Living Word, And His WRITTEN Word, Scriptures!:

500 Plain And Clear Passages The LORD Jesus Christ Is Almighty God!

I don't need 500 'plain and clear' passages that are not saying at all what you claim. Such posts make me wonder if you see 'support' for the trinity in cloud formations and cereal shapes?

Please just refer to 1 verse that says something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever.

Just produce 1 verse like above. Thanks.

If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once!

 

[Keiw]

Also, have you noticed the passion for the trinity is the man-is-god thesis?

They make ridiculous, intellectually dishonest claims, like this thread's OP - that Jesus is YHWH - with no explicit Scriptural evidence. All the verses they rely on are ambiguous where they insist their interpretation apply. Have you ever noticed that?

However, such verses do not imply their doctrine as that requires the verses to be a necessary consequence when it is only a possible consequence IF you take it out of context. And the context is detailed in my signature. The basic problem of trinitarianism is the Bible is written written by monotheist Jews, which means Scripture is the unitarian text.

They are being mislead by the removal of Gods name--In the OT replaced with GOD or LORD all capitols. Thus at 1 Cor 8:6 it says there is one Lord Jesus, so they think LORD in the OT is him. But in Reality-YHWH(Jehovah) belongs in every spot of OT where God or Lord is, and in the NT where those spots are quoted, a huge misleading mistake will be made by them--Joel 2:21-22--Those calling on the name of YHWH(Jehovah) will be saved. Quoted at Acts 2:21--Those who call on the name of the Lord will be saved and in Hebrews it is quoted as Lord because LORD is in their OT at Joel. Thus they are mislead by that and will call on the name Jesus but that is not what the bible really taught one to do. So they will fail calling on the true God. Acts 2:16 mentions Joel proving 2:21 is that quote from Joel. They were told the JW's are wrong, but in the end will find out the exact opposite. We can pray they find out sooner.

 

[Daydreamer]

Looks like you are another who denies that Jesus Christ is YHWH

Probably a Jehovahs Witness

It would have been nice, as you are so keen to discuss this subject, if you had answered the question I asked earlier. I have put it up many times on other websites, and no one found it hard to understand.

 

[Wrangler]

Would someone with their eyes opened answer a question please. ... So, if Christ is termed the one true God, who is the God of the one true omnipotent God? Scriptural support would be appreciated.

There is only one true God and it is not Jesus.

1. The personal name of the one true God is YHWH. Ex 3:15.
2. This is the name Jesus says is the hallowed name. Matthew 6:9
3. Scripture is explicit, 'For us, there is one God, the Father.' 1 COR 8:6.
4. Scripture is explicit that Jesus is the Son of God. Mark 1:1. This proves he cannot be God.
5. Jesus says he has a God - who we relate to as Father. John 20:17.
6. Jesus also says his God (our Father) is the only true God. John 17:3.

Hope this helps.

 

[Daydreamer]

There is only one true God and it is not Jesus.

1. The personal name of the one true God is YHWH. Ex 3:15.
2. This is the name Jesus says is the hallowed name. Matthew 6:9
3. Scripture is explicit, 'For us, there is one God, the Father.' 1 COR 8:6.
4. Scripture is explicit that Jesus is the Son of God. Mark 1:1. This proves he cannot be God.
5. Jesus says he has a God - who we relate to as Father. John 20:17.
6. Jesus also says his God (our Father) is the only true God. John 17:3.

Hope this helps.

Thank you for your post. I would agree with you. I saw you asked someone why your questions had not been answered. Mine has not been answered either.

 

[Wrangler]

Thank you for your post. I would agree with you. I saw you asked someone why your questions had not been answered. Mine has not been answered either.

A trinitarian tactic is to always be on offense. They only acknowledge evidence in favor and cannot entertain evidence against. They tend to just ignore questions that reveal weakness in their doctrine.

That their desperation is increasing is shown in the fact that they make increasingly unsupportable statements, like this thread's title. There is not one verse where Jesus is called YHWH. So, why make the claim? To them, all evidence supports their doctrine, despite the fact that the trinity is not in the Bible. Jesus did not teach the trinity. He did not teach us to pray to a trinitarian God.

 

[Charlie24]

A trinitarian tactic is to always be on offense. They only acknowledge evidence in favor and cannot entertain evidence against. They tend to just ignore questions that reveal weakness in their doctrine.

That their desperation is increasing is shown in the fact that they make increasingly unsupportable statements, like this thread's title. There is not one verse where Jesus is called YHWH. So, why make the claim? To them, all evidence supports their doctrine, despite the fact that the trinity is not in the Bible. Jesus did not teach the trinity. He did not teach us to pray to a trinitarian God.

Let me show you something, Wrangler. If you want to understand why I'm a Trinitarian, just let me show you.

Phil 2:5-8
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

Christ doesn't have to tell us that He is deity, Paul has done it for Him.

Look at the bold, "form of God" this is what Christ was before the the world was created, He was in the form of God.

We know God is a spirit, here we see Christ was also in that form.

We don't know how the Holy Spirit placed Christ in the womb of Mary, but we know He did.

Christ went from being with the Father, in the form of the Father, before the world was created, to the womb of Mary, and was born a man just as we are. From the form of God to the form of man. Then back to the Father.

Now if you can't see that this makes Christ "equal with God" in other words, Deity, then you have a problem that you need to work out with God. I can see it plain as daylight!

 

[mailmandan]

Since "Jesus is God" is not in Scripture, it is not as you allege crystal clear. What is crystal clear is that Jesus is not dead, since he died and was raised from the dead by God and believing this is a condition of salvation. From today's devotional reading:

if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 NRSV​

NOTE: The juxtaposition between God - in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature - with Jesus. What do you make of this passage?

Acvording to Scripture, all three Persons of the Trinity were involved in the resurrection of Jesus. Romans 10:9 says that God raised Jesus from the dead and Galatians 1:1 says that God the Father raised Jesus from the dead. 1 Peter 3:18 says that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead and Romans 8:11 says that He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. In John 2:19, Jesus said that He will raise Himself up from the dead (destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up) and in John 10:18, Jesus states that He has the authority to lay down His life and raise it up again.