"All things are lawful..."

[Behold]

You Licensed Sinners can't see that

The born again already exist as "seated in heavenly places".
All the sin of the born again, has been redeemed by the Blood of Jesus.

All the born again exist right now as "ONE with God", "in Christ".
Our eternal Judgement, was poured out on Christ on the Cross., 2000 yrs ago.
One day, you might understand this..
"almost".... Anything is possible.

 

[Phoneman777]

There is earthly consequence for living in sin, as a believer....or living carnally, committing works of the Flesh.
I wrote about those, in that Thread i posted to you.
There are many "losses".. but Salvation isn't one if them, as Salvation is not related to your behavior.

Also, if you live carnally, and finally die early, as a consequence of being born again and refusing to stop living carnally then, your salvation is still as it was when you came to God as a SINNER.
Salvation does not change.....as Salvation is Christ on the CRoss....as its eternal, and its not based on our behavior. Its only based on God giving it to us as a "gift".

LOL Like I said, "consequences" LOLOLOL

No, Licensed Sinner, the "consequence" for the impenitent backslider is the Lake of Fire, which your false doctrine attempts to make unBiblical because you can't fact the fact that true love for God and man is evidenced by obedience - which demands we "confess and forsake" our sin.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

While everyone can have different opinions, we can't have our own truth, especially since we're told the last days will be swirling with deception, so much so that even we who konw the truth need to be on our guard.

to be on guard to me is even in what you asked about
Jeremiah 25:33 And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

You say be on guard.
Then I ask what should one be on guard with? What is the sword of the Lord?
Is it a literal sword? What about the armor of God? Where do you find an helmet? Where do you find a breastplate? What about a shield? So then to me, how can the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth to the other?
Job 13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.
Romans 7:9-11 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. [10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. [11] For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

See, if I’m not mistaken you say literally the slain of the Lord will be from one end of the earth to another …as punishment but to me there is Hope in the slain of the Lord will be many from one end of earth to the other. But to literally “slay” or “slew” many …a literal sword is placed in the Lords hand by what man hopes to come, and the sword or armour becomes opposed to God doesn’t war as man wars, but the warfare of God is Spiritual, for peace, mercy, grace and truth. I have to ask how Paul would perceive “I was deceived” and “it slew me.” Going on and on about THEN “it is no longer I who lives, but it is Christ who Lives in me”? A good thing to be slain —and the slain of the Lord shall be many ? They shall never be lamented, gathered, nor buried but “the slain”will be as dung upon the ground.
Philippians 3:8-9 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, [9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Surely you won’t agree
But to me there is so much contradiction in one breath saying what the sword of the Lord is, and then expecting a blood bath of literal bodies laying upon the ground as dung in a heap. Because no where do I see God taking up a man-made bladed sword to swing and chop people up with…because God just so loves blood spill.

did God chop up and hack up Job? Literally?
Did God chop up and hack up Paul? literally
Yet both spoke of “slain” contradiction is we don’t take it literally until we want to.
In both (Job and Paul) I see the Lord is gracious and Full of Mercy…opposite of what mankind teaches constantly trying to sell to everyone their own desire for literal bloodshed. Maybe the enemy desires this. But the slain of the Lord…Job and Paul???

 

[Phoneman777]

Actually im just a born again Christian, in the ministry, who for a while now, has dealt with deceived Legalist's, who are cult bred.

You are the end product of your Cult., as only a cult teaches against the Grace of God, by twisting it into "license" and "licentiousness".

Oh man, say it ain't so! People PAY you to lie to them???

 

[Phoneman777]

The born again already exist as "seated in heavenly places".
All the sin of the born again, has been redeemed by the Blood of Jesus.

All the born again exist right now as "ONE with God", "in Christ".
Our eternal Judgement, was poured out on Christ on the Cross., 2000 yrs ago.
One day, you might understand this..
"almost".... Anything is possible.

Yeah, yeah, you're all "more than conquerors" while getting your butts handed to you every time Satan comes around dangling his temptations. Proof?

YOU NEED A OSAS LICENSE TO SIN WHICH ALLOWS THE LICENSED TO ESCAPE THE SAME PUNISHMENT FOR DOING THE EXACT SAME THING FOR WHICH THE UNLICENSED WILL BE SUFFER.

True believers need no such License. We depend on the power of God working in our lives to overcome sinful habits, not a stupid, useless, impotent OSAS License to Sin to back up our false bravado.

Lions didn't eat Daniel cause he had too much backbone.
Fire didn't burn the Three Hebrew Worthies because they were already on fire for God.
But, what do we hear from the OSAS crowd? Nothing but whining about how "you can't keep the law" - hence their OSAS License to Sin.

 

[Phoneman777]

to be on guard to me is even in what you asked about
Jeremiah 25:33 And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

You say be on guard.
Then I ask what should one be on guard with? What is the sword of the Lord?
Is it a literal sword? What about the armor of God? Where do you find an helmet? Where do you find a breastplate? What about a shield? So then to me, how can the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth to the other?
Job 13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.
Romans 7:9-11 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. [10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. [11] For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

See, if I’m not mistaken you say literally the slain of the Lord will be from one end of the earth to another …as punishment but to me there is Hope in the slain of the Lord will be many from one end of earth to the other. But to literally “slay” or “slew” many …a literal sword is placed in the Lords hand by what man hopes to come, and the sword or armour becomes opposed to God doesn’t war as man wars, but the warfare of God is Spiritual, for peace, mercy, grace and truth. I have to ask how Paul would perceive “I was deceived” and “it slew me.” Going on and on about THEN “it is no longer I who lives, but it is Christ who Lives in me”? A good thing to be slain —and the slain of the Lord shall be many ? They shall never be lamented, gathered, nor buried but “the slain”will be as dung upon the ground.
Philippians 3:8-9 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, [9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Surely you won’t agree
But to me there is so much contradiction in one breath saying what the sword of the Lord is, and then expecting a blood bath of literal bodies laying upon the ground as dung in a heap. Because no where do I see the God taking up a man-made bladed sword to swing and chop people up with…because God just so loves blood spill.

did God chop up and hack up Job?
Did God chop up and hack up Paul?
In both I see the Lord is gracious and Full of Mercy…opposite of what mankind teaches constantly trying to sell everyone on their own desire for bloodshed.

Context, friend. We can know if a passage refers to being "slain" by God for our good or "slain by God in Judgment against evil" by the context.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Context, friend. We can know if a passage refers to being "slain" by God for our good or "slain by God in Judgment against evil" by the context.

A goat
And a sheep
You don’t think you’ve been both? Dead and alive? Justice or judgement …the separating of what is dead from that which is Alive unto God by Christ? Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


my concern and it may be completely wrong is those strong in the flesh not realizing they are those who are weak and (yet) without strength. For whom Christ died. Or even more fearful is how those who claim to be strengthened by the Lord ought to support those weak and yet without strength.

“I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me” concerning the topic immediately there might be a rebuttal of “I can do all things” immediately fearful someone might take the “I can do all things” as a license to sin. Out from which man’s only focus becomes bashing “I can do all things”
As the dictator. But in my opinion and that is just what it is an opinion like yours “I can do all things” is not the point but instead “through Christ which strengthens me”. Same with “all things are lawful” when (again only an opinion) a pet peeve distracts constantly from the real point having something to gain from leaving off: “but not all things edify”. For the strong ought to support the weak. To me right out the gate …calling weak one who eats or doesn’t eat pork…isn’t bearing but finger pointing. That is about all this board is. One little area man can go-to-town over to lift himself up higher while pushing others down for the sake of his own good image. Why …why continue to listen to the fat getting fatter? What happens to the fat cattle? They eat the thin.

 

[farouk]

A goat
And a sheep
You don’t think you’ve been both? Dead and alive? Justice or judgement …the separating of what is dead from that which is Alive unto God by Christ? Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


my concern and it may be completely wrong is those strong in the flesh not realizing they are those who are weak and (yet) without strength. For whom Christ died. Or even more fearful is how those who claim to be strengthened by the Lord ought to support those weak and yet without strength.

“I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me” concerning the topic immediately there might be a rebuttal of “I can do all things” immediately fearful someone might take the “I can do all things” as a license to sin. Out from which man’s only focus becomes bashing “I can do all things”
As the dictator. But in my opinion and that is just what it is an opinion like yours “I can do all things” is not the point but instead “through Christ which strengthens me”. Same with “all things are lawful” when (again only an opinion) a pet peeve distracts constantly from the real point having something to gain from leaving off: “but not all things edify”. For the strong ought to support the weak. To me right out the gate …calling weak one who eats or doesn’t eat pork…isn’t bearing but finger pointing. That is about all this board is. One little area man can go-to-town over to lift himself up higher while pushing others down for the sake of his own good image. Why …why continue to listen to the fat getting fatter? What happens to the fat cattle? They eat the thin.

@VictoryinJesus Searching verse there in Hebrews; shows how daily, prayerful reading of the Scriptures should indeed not be neglected.

 

[Behold]

LOL Like I said, "consequences" LOLOLOL

No, Licensed Sinner, the "consequence" for the impenitent backslider is the Lake of Fire,

NO verse in the NT says that a Born Again Christian can end up in hell, or the lake of fire.
No verse in the NT says that a Born Again Christian can be separated from God, by sin.
All heretics teach the opposite.

Here is the reality.
There are no born again, in Hell, according to the New Testament.
There are no unbelievers, Christ Rejectors, never born again, in Hell, according to the New Testament.

Lets find out if you are trusting in Christ or trusting in self, falsely believing you are trusting in Christ.

Listen...

God said...... If you take Jesus, I'll take you.
That's the Gospel.
Now....The technical part, the theology of it all, can sometimes get in the way of the simple truth of it.
God said, if you take my Son into your heart, believing, i'll make you my Son/Daughter forever = because you once did.
Being born again, is proof you have given God what He required, and He gave you what He promised.
Its done.

See how SIMPLE that is??
Just you, Jesus, and God.

= "the simplicity that is in Christ".

You take Jesus, = God takes you.
You BELIEVE, and God does the rest for you as it His Salvation you are being Given as a GIFT.
WE come to God as a sinner, ungodly, hell bound, and God rescues us from Hell, saves us forever, and gives us Eternal Life through Christ.
= The GIFT of Salvation.

Notice that God did it all?
You part is to let Him.
That is Real FAITH.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus Searching verse there in Hebrews; shows how daily, prayerful reading of the Scriptures should indeed not be neglected.

I’m sorry I can get preachy. You are so kind because I do get you and I might disagree on theology but yet you are always encouraging. Reminds me of @amadeus who even if he doesn’t agree, he still encourages others to continue on. I haven’t seen him lately…have you?

 

[farouk]

I’m sorry I can get preachy. You are so kind because I do get you and I might disagree on theology but yet you are always encouraging. Reminds me of @amadeus who even if he doesn’t agree, he still encourages others to continue on. I haven’t seen him lately…have you?

@VictoryinJesus YW; ...not seem amadeus lately.

 

[Behold]

Oh man, say it ain't so! People PAY you to lie to them???

Lying isn't an accepted part of a real Christian Ministry.

Phoneman777, I think your main issue, other then the Cult issue.... is a total lack of understanding of : Salvation.

Let me show you ..

Salvation is JESUS.
That's it.
Jesus, is Salvation. He said so... In John 14:6
And if Jesus is in you, then there is the ONLY PROOF, you will go to heaven.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus YW; ...not seem amadeus lately.

concerned.

 

[Behold]

Yeah, yeah, you're all "more than conquerors" while getting your butts handed to you every time Satan comes around dangling his temptations. Proof?

That is actually not the reality.
What actually happens is that the people who do not understand salvation, confess and repent, a lot., till they die.
So, that is their entire Christian lives.
The reason they do this, Phoneman777, is because they have become this... "Apart from me, you can do NOTHING"... Jesus said.

He means....when you have left the Grace of God, and are now trying to stay saved, and keep salvation and be accepted by God based on SELF EFFORT, then you are "apart from me", and you can do "NOTHING".

"NOTHING"= you can't live holy. You can't understand the word.. You can't get prayers answered. And you can't HEAR the truth.

WHo is that one?
Its the person who does not Trust in Christ to Keep you saved.

So, if you dont trust Christ to keep you saved..., then who do you trust?

A.) Yourself...... and that is a "fallen from Grace" deceived believer, or, its a religious person, probably water baptized, and isn't born again, as in both cases, they believe you can "lose your salvation".

 

[farouk]

concerned.

Perhaps he's out of town etc............(I know; I do go out of town a lot....)

 

[Behold]

concerned.

Has he been ill lately? Did he mention this in any recent post?
He's not a young man...

 

[Phoneman777]

NO verse in the NT says that a Born Again Christian can end up in hell, or the lake of fire.

Peter says so in 2 Peter 2:20-22 KJV
Jesus says so in Matthew 24:12-13 KJV
Jesus also says so in Matthew 18:21-35 KJV
Paul says so in Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV

Just as a woman is either "pregnant" or "not pregnant", so a person is either "entangled in a trap" or "escaped and free".
When Peter says "escaped", to whom is he referring?
Understand yet? Peter's talking about saints who return back to the world and will be lost.

 

[Phoneman777]

Lying isn't an accepted part of a real Christian Ministry.

Phoneman777, I think your main issue, other then the Cult issue.... is a total lack of understanding of : Salvation.

Let me show you ..

Salvation is JESUS.
That's it.
Jesus, is Salvation. He said so... In John 14:6
And if Jesus is in you, then there is the ONLY PROOF, you will go to heaven.

If you're telling people that grace covers the practice of continued habitual, known, impenitent sin, you're preaching the lie of OSAS and its accompanying License to Sin.

 

[Phoneman777]

That is actually not the reality.
What actually happens is that the people who do not understand salvation, confess and repent, a lot., till they die.
So, that is their entire Christian lives.
The reason they do this, Phoneman777, is because they have become this... "Apart from me, you can do NOTHING"... Jesus said.

He means....when you have left the Grace of God, and are now trying to stay saved, and keep salvation and be accepted by God based on SELF EFFORT, then you are "apart from me", and you can do "NOTHING".

"NOTHING"= you can't live holy. You can't understand the word.. You can't get prayers answered. And you can't HEAR the truth.

WHo is that one?
Its the person who does not Trust in Christ to Keep you saved.

So, if you dont trust Christ to keep you saved..., then who do you trust?

A.) Yourself...... and that is a "fallen from Grace" deceived believer, or, its a religious person, probably water baptized, and isn't born again, as in both cases, they believe you can "lose your salvation".

I see by all this you have no idea how salvation works: I'm happy to enlighten you:

1. God convicts us that we're helpless sinners in need of His grace - for both pardon for sin and power to obey like the rest of His universal creatures.

2. We CHOOSE to accept His gracious offer to be both our Savior and Lord, and by that we become grace-saved, obedient Christians in no need of some useless, illegitimate OSAS License to Sin.

3. We remain Christians as long as we don't make the CHOICE to reject Jesus as Savior and Lord.

4. Works are simply the outward evidence of our chosen inward spiritual condition.

It's so sad that people only want Jesus as their Savior but not as their Lord so they manufacture a OSAS License to Sin to make up for it. Sad.

 

[Behold]

Peter says so in 2 Peter 2:20-22 KJV
Jesus says so in Matthew 24:12-13 KJV
Jesus also says so in Matthew 18:21-35 KJV
Paul says so in Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV

Peter says so in 2 Peter 2:20-22 KJV\

These verses are dealing with people like Demas, or any consistent backslider.
The verses do not say they will go to hell, it say that harsh situations will come to you, if you proceed with a habitually willfully sinning lifestyle.
Heretics try to rewrite Peter's words as..>"if you dont live it, you will go to hell".


Jesus says so in Matthew 24:12-13 KJV

This verse speaks about the Great Tribulation, and is related to the entire teaching of Jesus where He talks about the "Abomination of Desolation".
Self saving Legalists, do not read their bible, they only read their Cult's commentaries.... and so they just cut and paste a small amount of the verse that suits their Cult's deception that they teach.
The verse is explaining that if you are in the Great Trib, then you have to endure to the end of it, to be allowed Salvation.
The born again wont be there, so, no worries.


Jesus also says so in Matthew 18:21-35 KJV

These verses are talking about forgiving others, specifically your "brother".
Heretics try to spin these verses and alter these verses to fit their fear of going to hell.
Maybe they should.


Paul says so in Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV

These verses along with the others in Matthew are always posted by Heretics, as all Heretics live in "James" "Matthew", and "Hebrews", as i have explained to Phonemann777.
He keeps proving me right.

So, these verses, along with Hebrews 10, show Paul dealing with Christ Rejecting HEBREWS.
Paul also deals with Christ Rejection HEBREWS again, in Acts 28, the last 8 verses.
No one in these verses is born again., as Paul is giving them the Gospel, and you dont preach the Gospel to the born again.
Paul knows this but biblically ignorant Heretics do not.
You preach the Gospel only to the UNBELIEVERS......... and in this case, its Christ Rejecting Hebrews.