22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is not true. Amillennialists spiritualized the OT in order to teach an erroneous doctrine. Any time a group of people "spiritualize" the scriptures or teach that Scripture has a secret meaning that only they know, this is a clear sign of cult mentality at work.

You are unable to form a coherent argument to support your doctrine, so you resort to insults instead. A clear sign that you have no argument.

Tell me, was Paul using a cult mentality when he taught that the promises God made to Abraham and his seed were made to Abraham and to his seed, Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:16)? And was Paul using a cult mentality when he indicated that those promises apply to those who belong to Christ as well (Galatians 3:29)?

Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ....29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

What Paul taught here cannot be clearly seen in the Old Testament. So, was he spiritualizing scripture by saying what he did in Galatians 3? If so, then there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

These passages are not only talking about the Second Advent, they are talking about the day of the Lord, which is an era of time not a single day.

The day of the Lord is only sudden for some, which means that it isn't climactic. Peter is talking about the Eschaton, which comes at the very end of the Day of the Lord as we see in Revelation 20.

2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

Notice here that Peter encouraged his readers "to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. He implied that the destruction relating to the day of the Lord could arrive during their lifetimes and he didn't want any of them to experience it. So, it makes no sense to conclude that the destruction he talked about couldn't possibly occur during the lifetimes of his readers. Why will you not acknowledge this?

 

[dad]

JWs are Premil. So are Mormons. You will find them in your own camp.

OK.

 

[Truth7t7]

Did you flunk kindergarten English?

Who is He?

Revelation 1:5 from the original 1611 KJV:

And from Iesus Christ, who is the faithful witnesse, and the first begotten of the dead, and the Prince of the kings of the earth: vnto him that loued vs, and washed vs from our sinnes in his owne blood

Notice that capital "P"?

Satisfied?

Jesus Christ isn't the "he" in Daniel 9:27, Jesus doesn't make abomination and desolation, it's that simple "Next"!

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Truth7t7]

Were WPM's questions that he asked you in post #3883 too difficult for you to answer? Why didn't you answer them? If your belief was true then you should be able to clearly explain when the six things listed in Daniel 9:24 will be fulfilled and how they will be fulfilled. Your lack of willingness to answer questions like those shows the weakness of your view and your inability to defend it when challenged.

"The Consummation" didn't take place in 66:70AD Jerusalem as you falsely believe and teach, it's "Future" unfulfilled, it's that simple

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[dad]

What is your understanding of these passages:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

That is after the 1000 years.

Matthew 13:40 As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

That is when Jesus returns with us. Different age.

Do you believe that Jesus will return at the end of the age (Matt 24:3)?

He returns right after the tribulation. I guess we would call that an age also.

Can you tell me how you interpret this passage:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

That is at the end of the day of the Lord, after the millennium.

That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

It is clear the new heavne are after the thousand years.

Matthew 28:6 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Using that power, He will take over the world one day. No one suggested He had not the power to do so, but He also has a time.

Scripture does not teach that people are judged in stages, it teaches that all people will be judged at the same time. Here are examples of that:

Acts 17:31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

So when is that day? The final judgment is after the thousand years. He also judges some when He returns. He also judges His Bride after the Rapture. etc.

Matthew 13:47 “Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48 When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

That applies to the end of the thousand years and the final judgment. I could see it also applying to the return of Jesus to some degree.

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

That looks to me to be after He returns and the valley of decision.

33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world......41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.....46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

This seems to apply to after the 1000 years and maybe also to the judgment after He returns.

Where are you seeing that just some of the dead are judged when Jesus returns?

One place that comes to mind is here
Revelation 20:5

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

I'm sorry, where does Revelation 11:18 indicate that the seventh trumpet will signal the time for just some of the dead to be judged?

Revelation 11:18

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

If the rest of the dead only lived again at the thousand years, that seems to mean not all are judged at His return right away. The saints who were raptured were judged before this time! More new saints are judged when He returns. etc.

 

[covenantee]

Jesus Christ isn't the "he" in Daniel 9:27, Jesus doesn't make abomination and desolation, it's that simple "Next"!

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Nothing you can do except hallucinate.

Afraid of "he".

 

[Truth7t7]

That is after the 1000 years.

That is when Jesus returns with us. Different age.


He returns right after the tribulation. I guess we would call that an age also.



That is at the end of the day of the Lord, after the millennium.

It is clear the new heavne are after the thousand years.


Using that power, He will take over the world one day. No one suggested He had not the power to do so, but He also has a time.


So when is that day? The final judgment is after the thousand years. He also judges some when He returns. He also judges His Bride after the Rapture. etc.
That applies to the end of the thousand years and the final judgment. I could see it also applying to the return of Jesus to some degree.
That looks to me to be after He returns and the valley of decision.

This seems to apply to after the 1000 years and maybe also to the judgment after He returns.
One place that comes to mind is here
Revelation 20:5

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.



Revelation 11:18

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

If the rest of the dead only lived again at the thousand years, that seems to mean not all are judged at His return right away. The saints who were raptured were judged before this time! More new saints are judged when He returns. etc.

No such thing as a Millennial Kingdom on this earth found in scripture, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End)

 

[dad]

No such thing as a Millennial Kingdom on this earth found in scripture, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End)

I disagree.

Revelation 20:4

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


It is absolute fact.

 

[Truth7t7]

I disagree.

Revelation 20:4

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


It is absolute fact.

A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Its 100% Absolute Man Made Fiction

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Randy Kluth]

A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Its Absolute Man Made Fiction 100%

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Putting everything in bold won't reinforce what you claim. You've no doubt been told many times that the Millennium isn't just a thousand year period--more it is the Kingdom Age, or the Messianic Age, which is referenced a number of times in the OT Prophets. And in those prophecies, yes, men are still viewed as mortal, and yes the Messiah's throne is established here upon the earth.

God has long had a temporary form of His Kingdom here on earth, through the theocratic politics of OT Israel and through the Christian politics of Christian nations. The final form of this Kingdom, naturally, will also be upon this earth. Earth is the place where the Messianic Kingdom will take place, according to the Scriptures.

 

[Truth7t7]

And in those prophecies, yes, men are still viewed as mortal, and yes the Messiah's throne is established here upon the earth.

Jesus Christ Warned His Followers, Concerning Him Being On This Earth In A Millennium (Beware)

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Taken]

Jesus Christ isn't the "he" in Daniel 9:27, Jesus doesn't make abomination and desolation, it's that simple "Next"!

Dan 9:
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

He who makes a covenant with many IS the Lord God.

and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,

He who ALLOWS the sacrifices and oblations (corrupt religious offerings) and abomination IS the Lord God.

He who CEASES HIS ALLOWING, of sacrifices, oblations, abominations, IS the Lord God.


He who continues ACCEPTING men JOINING with the Lord God...even until the consummation...IS the Lord God.

and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate...(men who reject JOINING with the Lord God)
He who determines WHAT and WHEN shall be poured out upon the desolate (rejectors)...IS the Lord God.

 

[Truth7t7]

Dan 9:
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

He who makes a covenant with many IS the Lord God.

and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,

He who ALLOWS the sacrifices and oblations (corrupt religious offerings) and abomination IS the Lord God.

He who CEASES HIS ALLOWING, of sacrifices, oblations, abominations, IS the Lord God.


He who continues ACCEPTING men JOINING with the Lord God...even until the consummation...IS the Lord God.

and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate...(men who reject JOINING with the Lord God)
He who determines WHAT and WHEN shall be poured out upon the desolate (rejectors)...IS the Lord God.

I Disagree, Jesus Doesn't Make Abomination or Desolation

"The Consummation" didn't take place in 66:70AD Jerusalem as you falsely believe and teach, it's "Future" unfulfilled, it's that simple

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[covenantee]

I Disagree, Jesus Doesn't Make Abomination or Desolation

"The Consummation" didn't take place in 66:70AD Jerusalem as you falsely believe and teach, it's "Future" unfulfilled, it's that simple

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Debunked again.

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

he = Messiah the Prince

 

[Truth7t7]

Debunked again.

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

he = Messiah the Prince

"he" = "prince" of the people that destroy, "he" isn't Jesus Christ that has people destroying, it's that simple

Jesus Is The Lord

Daniel 9:26KJV
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[covenantee]

"he" = "prince" of the people that destroy, "he" isn't Jesus Christ

he = the prince = Messiah the Prince

 

[dad]

A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Its 100% Absolute Man Made Fiction

Your opinion is noted. Christians think it is a wonderful time that is coming.

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

Is Jerusalem on Mars? The mount of Olives on Pluto? The nations on Jupiter?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

Since He rules earth, what would you call it?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

When they die, even at 1000 years old that is human.

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

Insane babble.

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

To man a day is a day though.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Yes we certainly shall rule with Him.

 

[dad]

he = the prince = Messiah the Prince

Jesus Himself will destroy the wicked. That is news? The people of Jesus are along for the ride. They later help Him rule. At no time did the people of Jesus destroy the temple, that is petulant insanity.

 

[covenantee]

Jesus Himself will destroy the wicked. That is news? The people of Jesus are along for the ride. They later help Him rule. At no time did the people of Jesus destroy the temple, that is petulant insanity.

The Romans who were Messiah's agents of judgment and destruction destroyed the temple.

That is verifiable Scripturally fulfilled history.