Life in the Millennium.

[farouk]

Where is a harpazo in 1 Corinthians 11:26 ???

"Till He come..." is the context of the church showing His death.

 

[farouk]

Exactly! But humans are either saved or lost, irrespective of race. Race does not matter today. It is all about grace.

It's about being born again into the church.

 

[No Pre-TB]

"Till He come..." is the context of the church showing His death.

Thats not a seizing of treasure out of danger which is harpazo

 

[WPM]

It's about being born again into the church.

Agreed. All the rest are of their father the devil, regardless of race.

 

[farouk]

Thats not a seizing of treasure out of danger which is harpazo

What isn't of God's treasure in that sense will face the Great Tribulation, Matthew 24; Luke 21. The church does not go through the Great Tribulation.

Caught up indeed; waiting for Him, 'till He com'.

 

[marks]

`David my servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in my judgments and observe my statuew, and do them. Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob my servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children`s children, forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever.....

The nations also will know that I, the LORD, sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary is in their midst for evermore.` (Ez. 37: 24 - 28)

All of Israel will be reborn, and will be a nation of priests to the rest of the world. The 12 Apostles will be the judges over the 12 tribes. David will be king over them, and Jesus, King of Kings, will be King over David, and all the other kings of the earth.

Isaiah 59:20-21 KJV
20) And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21) As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

Much love!

 

[No Pre-TB]

What isn't of God's treasure in that sense will face the Great Tribulation, Matthew 24; Luke 21. The church does not go through the Great Tribulation.

Caught up indeed; waiting for Him, 'till He com'.

But harpazo is not found in the verse and neither in its context. I was curious and did a Google search to see if it’s something others believe. I found nothing.

Tribulation is not God’s wrath. All throughout the Bible, we are told to endure thlipsis. Even in Revelation, the first mention of wrath doesn’t occur till after the 6th seal is opened. Even then, it’s suggested by wicked men, but do they know what constitutes wrath?

 

[farouk]

But harpazo is not found in the verse and neither in its context. I was curious and did a Google search to see if it’s something others believe. I found nothing.

Tribulation is not God’s wrath. All throughout the Bible, we are told to endure thlipsis. Even in Revelation, the first mention of wrath doesn’t occur till after the 6th seal is opened. Even then, it’s suggested by wicked men, but do they know what constitutes wrath?

There is tribulation; John 16.33.

But the great tribulation does not involve the church, Matthew 24; Luke 21.

It's not Israel or Gentiles in view in 1 Thess. 4, where harpazo is used.

 

[No Pre-TB]

There is tribulation; John 16.33.

But the great tribulation does not involve the church, Matthew 24; Luke 21.

It's not Israel or Gentiles in view in 1 Thess. 4, where harpazo is used.

Revelation 6:9-11, Revelation 7:14, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Revelation 18:4, Revelation 19:7-8 all disagree with you.

 

[Marilyn C]

I know this is what many imagine, but you have explained allegory with allegory.

Please understand that even we are only an image in part of all that is true in the creation and the word. For this same reason Jesus came preaching--not what the kingdom heaven is, but saying rather, "The kingdom of heaven is like..." Allegory.

Hi Scott,

I do not see the word `like` in Micah 4 where we learn that the nations go up to Jerusalem to learn the ways of the Lord and do not learn war anymore. I also do not see the word `like` in Zech. 14: 16 where the nations (that are left after all the nations came against Israel,) go up to Jerusalem to worship the King.

When Jesus was telling the people of Israel about the millennial kingdom, he was describing its rulership and who would be there. Every parable was linked to an Old Testament scripture that the people should have known. The parables were based on actual promises of God to Israel.

 

[Marilyn C]

To all who desire to just talk about `life in the millennium,` we need to NOT answer those who want to say there is no millennium. If we don`t answer them then the moderators can take them off the thread.

I know that in any topic there are side issues, but saying there is no millennium is not for this thread and just stops us from actually talking about the topic. So if you can please refrain from answering those who say there is no millennium then we can have a good Biblical discussion.

Thank you, Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

God`s Glory Through Israel

God`s glory will be upon Israel, on Mount Zion in Jerusalem. It is from here that God`s righteous rulership goes forth to the nations of the world.

`For Zion`s sake I will not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem`s sake I will not rest, until her righteousness goes forth as brightness, and her salvation as a lamp that burns. The Gentiles shall see your righteousness, and all kings your glory.

You shall also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of your God.` (Isa. 62: 1 - 3)


God sets His glory upon Israel in the midst of the nations so that they can learn to walk in His ways and come to worship Him.

A new temple will be built upon the site of Solomon`s Temple. The Lord has laid down the exact dimensions and requirements for this holy place in His word. (Ezekiel) Then God`s glory will fill the sanctuary in this new Temple. The Prophet Ezekiel was given a vision of this.

`And he brought me by way of the north gate to the front of the temple; so I looked, and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord;.....` (Ez. 44: 4)

A special area will be designated as Holy unto the Lord for the sanctuary and for the priests.

`Moreover, when you divide the land by lot into inheritance, you shall set apart a district for the Lord, a holy portion of the land;.....in it shall be the sanctuary, the Most Holy Place. It shall be a holy portion of the land belonging to the priests, the ministers of the sanctuary, who come near to minister to the Lord; it shall be a place for their houses and a holy place for the sanctuary.` (Ez. 45: 1, 3 & 4)


The area on the Mount is so holy that if a wild animal strayed there then they would not be harmful.

`The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox, the nursing child shall play by the cobra`s hole, and the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper`s den.

They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my Holy Mountain...` (Isa. 11: 6 - 9)

 

[jeffweeder]

We reign not as overseers. Christ always taught that we humble ourselves as servants to each other. I don’t take Reigning as an act of command over lesser subjects. Rather, elevated to a position in authority where previously we were subject to ridicule, persecution and scoffers. Then, when reigning, others wish to learn of God. Who was once attacked is now sought after for knowledge. Will there be wickedness still? I think so because death still lives till it’s destroyed. And wickedness allows Satan to tempt others after the reign when he’s freed. There will be those who administer justice and those that are needing to learn. Outside of the city are those that cannot enter in right?

10 But whenever you go into a town and they do not receive and accept and welcome you, go out into its streets and say,

11 Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we are wiping off against you; yet know and understand this: the kingdom of God has come near you.

12 I tell you, it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom than for that town.

13 Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty miracles performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

14 However, it shall be more tolerable in the judgment for Tyre and Sidon than for you.

15 And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted unto heaven? You shall be brought down to Hades (the regions of the dead).

16 He who hears and heeds you [disciples] hears and heeds Me; and he who slights and rejects you slights and rejects Me; and he who slights and rejects Me slights and rejects Him who sent Me.

17 The seventy returned with joy, saying, Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name!

18 And He said to them, I saw Satan falling like a lightning [flash] from heaven.

19 Behold! I have given you authority and power to trample upon serpents and scorpions, and [physical and mental strength and ability] over all the power that the enemy [possesses]; and nothing shall in any way harm you.

20 Nevertheless, do not rejoice at this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are enrolled in heaven.

21 In that same hour He rejoiced and gloried in the Holy Spirit and said, I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have concealed these things [relating to salvation] from the wise and understanding and learned, and revealed them to babes (the childish, unskilled, and untaught). Yes, Father, for such was Your gracious will and choice and good pleasure.

22 All things have been given over into My power by My Father; and no one knows Who the Son is except the Father, or Who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son may choose to reveal and make Him known.

23 Then turning to His disciples, He said privately, Blessed (happy, to be envied) are those whose eyes see what you see!



[Outside of the city are those that cannot enter in right?]



Those outside of the city in Rev 22 are already eternally separated the day we are glorified in our Lord.

Opportunity for them is completely lost at that point.


2Thess 1
6 [It is a fair decision] since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with distress and affliction those who distress and afflict you,

7 And to [recompense] you who are so distressed and afflicted [by granting you] relief and rest along with us [your fellow sufferers] when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire,

8 To deal out retribution (chastisement and vengeance) upon those who do not know or perceive or become acquainted with God, and [upon those] who ignore and refuse to obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 Such people will pay the penalty and suffer the punishment of everlasting ruin (destruction and perdition) and eternal exclusion and banishment from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 When He comes to be glorified in His saints [on that day He will be made more glorious in His consecrated people], and [He will] be marveled at and admired [in His glory reflected] in all who have believed [who have adhered to, trusted in, and relied on Him], because our witnessing among you was confidently accepted and believed [and confirmed in your lives].

 

[ScottA]

Hi Scott,

I do not see the word `like` in Micah 4 where we learn that the nations go up to Jerusalem to learn the ways of the Lord and do not learn war anymore. I also do not see the word `like` in Zech. 14: 16 where the nations (that are left after all the nations came against Israel,) go up to Jerusalem to worship the King.

When Jesus was telling the people of Israel about the millennial kingdom, he was describing its rulership and who would be there. Every parable was linked to an Old Testament scripture that the people should have known. The parables were based on actual promises of God to Israel.

You yourself have shown what you do not see, in that you Jesus then coming and explaining the reality of those Old Testament scriptures as being "like."

 

[jeffweeder]

To all who desire to just talk about `life in the millennium,` we need to NOT answer those who want to say there is no millennium. If we don`t answer them then the moderators can take them off the thread.

I know that in any topic there are side issues, but saying there is no millennium is not for this thread and just stops us from actually talking about the topic. So if you can please refrain from answering those who say there is no millennium then we can have a good Biblical discussion.

Thank you, Marilyn.

Ok , I sadly remove myself from your thread.

 

[Marilyn C]

LIVING WATERS

When the Lord comes to the Mount of Olives, He will split the mountain in half and living waters will flow out to bring healing to the rivers and seas.

`The Lord will go forth and fight against those nations as He fights in the day of battle. And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley. Half of the mountain shall move towards the north and half of it towards the south.` (Zech. 14: 3 & 4)

The rivers and the seas will be polluted in the tribulation and thus God sends living water to flow across the land of Israel towards the Jordan valley and also out to the Mediterranean Sea. This water will also flow under the temple and bring life to all along its banks.

`Then he brought me to the door of the temple; and there was water flowing from under the threshold of the temple.....This water flows towards the eastern region, goes down into the valley and enters the sea.

When it reaches the sea its waters are healed. And it shall be that every living thing that moves, wherever the rivers go, will live. There will be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters go there; for they will be healed, and everything will live wherever the river goes.` (Ez. 47: 1, 8 & 9)

The fishermen will have good catches to feed the people as previously all living things in the sea had died. (Rev. 16: 3)

`It shall be that fishermen will stand by it, (the living waters) from En Gedi to En Eglaim; they will be places for spreading their nets. Their fish will be the same kinds as the fish of the Great Sea, exceedingly many.

But its swamps and marshes will not be healed; they will be given over to salt.` (Ez 47: 10 & 11)

As the water brings life to the rivers and seas, we also see that the trees planted along the river will grow good fruit for food and the leaves will be used for health purposes.

`Along the bank of the river, on this side and that, will grow all kinds of trees used for food; their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. They will bear fruit every month, because their water flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for medicine.` (Ez. 47: 12)

 

[Taken]

You haven't debunked anything

No earthly kingdom, throne, or humans is seen in Revelation 20:1-6 as you claim, who you kidding, not me!

No one is subject to your repetitive limitation of Scripture and limited understanding thereof.

Not a big secret, Terrestrial and Celestial Beings occupy the Earth.
Not a big secret, Gods Kingdom is in Heaven.
Not a big secret:

Matt 6:
[10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

IF ^ THAT ^ is not satisfactory to you, that only affects you.
BECAUSE, Gods Kingdom SHALL COME TO EARTH, regardless of what you believe.

 

[Taken]

Life in the Millennium
OP ^

Gods LIMITED (1,000 yr) Kingdom Manifested on Earth.
Kingdom; Land Border Limitation, Abrahams Promised Land
Kingdom; Occupants, Lord KING, Saint Priests.
KING; over other kingdoms Not Limited.
Evil spirits; have ZERO presence or influence.

Others kingdoms; appointed mortal kings, mortal occupants.

Other kingdoms, established upon, KING’S Gospel Word.

Other kingdoms, Begin in harmony with KING’S Gospel Word.

Others kingdoms, Enjoy years of harmony living by the Word of God.

Other kingdoms “kings” make yearly Pilgrimage to the KINGS kingdom.

Years, Decades, Centuries pass, new mortal kings, replace old mortal kings, kingdoms prosper, wealth increases, power domination increases, comforts increase....

What WAS, begins to REPEAT. Prosperity, wealth, comfort, power domination .... dividing, oppressing, hostility, discontent ...
“Them and us” within the kingdoms.
“Them and us” between the kingdoms.

1,000 yrs fulfilled.
Evil spirits ..Loosed from bondage.
Evil spirits ..AGAIN present, encourage, influence people of the other kingdoms to COME AGAINST Gods KINGDOM.

FAIL. Evil spirits cut asunder, cast into the Lake of Fire.
FAIL. Wicked people cut asunder, body’s killed, souls sent to hell.

 

[No Pre-TB]

Nevertheless, do not rejoice at this, that the spirits are subject to you,

I quoted the part you didn’t bold.

 

[No Pre-TB]

A new temple will be built upon the site of Solomon`s Temple. The Lord has laid down the exact dimensions and requirements for this holy place in His word. (Ezekiel) Then God`s glory will fill the sanctuary in this new Temple. The Prophet Ezekiel was given a vision of this.

Marilyn, do you see this temple as only physical? If so, why would God need a physical temple if our bodies are to be temples. Why would Paul and Christ draw comparisons to our body housing God where we offer sacrifices and to keep ourselves holy because the temple should never be polluted? I do see a third temple, but it’s in us today and I see no reason for it to be superseded by a brick and mortar one.