The beliefs of the early Chiliasts were the antithesis of modern Premil

[covenantee]

that is right and He told that gentile woman should he give what is for the children to dogs (gentiles). Jesus knew what He said and why He said it! He doesn't make errors.

I know you loathe following grammatic rules but they are empirical facts.

I'm glad that you now understand that "dog" was a dysphemism, not a euphemism.

 

[covenantee]

We know that the entire nation will be reduced by 2/3 before they are all saved.

Dispensationally, Judas will be one of the saved, because Zechariah 12:10 says "...they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him...". Prepare to meet and greet Judas in heaven.

But you'll have to explain to Jesus how Judas got there, because Jesus said that he was lost (John 17:12).

 

[covenantee]

There is a day coming when National Israel down to the last soul will get saved!

We know that the entire nation will be reduced by 2/3 before they are all saved.

Hmm...seems to be a slight contradiction there.

2/3 of all Jews will be killed?

That's antisemitic racism at its worst.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You have nothing in response to the truth. Why am i not surprised?

Pray to receive the Holy Spirit and He will guide you into all truth, I can't help you.
Bye and God Bless.

 

[WPM]

Pray to receive the Holy Spirit and He will guide you into all truth, I can't help you.
Bye and God Bless.

Why are you Premils so arrogant, evasive and insulting? Because the Scriptures forbid your error. I guess, I would be frustrated if i was still a Premil. But no, I saw the light and was liberated into the truth. Now I no long have to fight the Book. I can embrace it.

 

[Truther]

No. If they reject His salvation today, they are without hope.

If they listen to dispensational fabrications and delay, they will be without hope.

2 Corinthians 6:2
(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Are you telling God he cannot save them all?

 

[Truther]

Answer the question.

Did Jesus feed dogs?

A gentile dog, yes.

 

[Truther]

I didn't say that, so why should I have to justify it? You have ducked around so much Scripture you should be ashamed of your self.

Since you cannot show mw a single verse in the entire Bible that says the Law is divided into 3 parts, and only certain parts of it are abolished to sinners, yet you teach this, you are naughty.

 

[Truther]

Your fight is constantly with Scripture. You should write your own Bible. The KJV is obviously not up to your standard.

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

The subject verse....

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

He was ordained before the foundation of the world to be slain before the foundation of the world.

Thank Truther anytime for showing you this.

 

[Truther]

1. Where does it state in Ezekiel that these sacrifices are future?
2. Where does it mention in Ezekiel some future millennium?
3. Where does it say in Ezekiel that these are "memorial"?

Ezekiel 45 is past tense? It already happened? When in history, please? Thanks.

Now think hard....was the passover lamb slain at the feast of the Jews a memorial of something that happened or a celebration of something yet to happen?

If you guessed the former, you are right. The passover commanded to the Jews is a memorial of an event that happened.

So, you now understand that a slain lamb is a memorial sacrifice. The death angel was reminded of the slain lamb of God and passed over the Jews' homes.

Also, Jesus said "do this in memory of me" speaking of the Christian passsover feast in 1 Cor 11.

The death of Jesus must be remembered at all costs.

The Millennial sacrifices will do exactly that in Ezekial 45-46.

 

[Truther]

Preterists, WHO is the prince in Ezekiel 45 and 46?

 

[WPM]

Ezekiel 45 is past tense? It already happened? When in history, please? Thanks.

Now think hard....was the passover lamb slain at the feast of the Jews a memorial of something that happened or a celebration of something yet to happen?

If you guessed the former, you are right. The passover commanded to the Jews is a memorial of an event that happened.

So, you now understand that a slain lamb is a memorial sacrifice. The death angel was reminded of the slain lamb of God and passed over the Jews' homes.

Also, Jesus said "do this in memory of me" speaking of the Christian passsover feast in 1 Cor 11.

The death of Jesus must be remembered at all costs.

The Millennial sacrifices will do exactly that in Ezekial 45-46.

More and more and more and more and more avoidance. That is who you and that what you do. That is because Premils have nothing to support their error.

Ezekiel 40-48 is a detailed conditional vision; it was not some distant prophecy, as some suggest. The prophet Ezekiel was basically taken up in the Spirit and given a revelation of better things than that which prevailed when he received it.

In the vision Ezekiel was shown an arrangement that was greater than existed around him. Ezekiel 43:2-5 records, “behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory. And it was according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, even according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city: and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face. And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east. So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.”

Here we see the careful connection between the visions and Ezekiel being taken up in the Spirit. The prophet is supernaturally carried into situations that clearly did not exist at that time. They were revealed to him. In reality, the temple was in ruin and the glory of the Lord had departed from the house of God. Notwithstanding, in the visions, “the glory of the LORD came into the house.” Ezekiel was so overwhelmed by what he saw in the Spirit that as a result he “fell upon” his “face.”

Israel in Ezekiel’s day had sunk into deep idolatry and awful iniquity. God exposed the extent of the evil that existed within the camp in Ezekiel 43:8, saying, “they have even defiled my holy name by their abominations that they have committed: wherefore I have consumed them in mine anger.” Notwithstanding, God, as is His custom, reached out in His grace, mercy and love to them, exhorting them to turn from their wicked ways. He promised that He would bless them if they obeyed His voice.

He commanded them (in v 9): “Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.”

God gave definite and unambiguous instructions to Israel regarding how they could regain the blessing of God. With God there is always the promise accompanied by the conditions. Just because God offers a blessing does not mean the outcome is a foregone conclusion. The realisation would be determined by the response. If Israel obeyed what God asked, the blessing would be released, if they didn’t it would be withheld.

Ezekiel 43:10 goes on to outline the gist and purpose of the vision of the temple, saying, “Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.”

Clearly God was making a genuine offer to Israel if they would only repent. Sadly, they didn't and they never entered into the reality of that offer. God essentially shows Israel a picture of what could be if they would only turn from their sin and rebellion. It was a promise of better things if only they would submit to God’s demands. It involved an improved arrangement to what existed at the time of the proposal. It was essentially a mirror that God set up in Ezekiel’s day to allow Israel to see how far (even in that day) they fell short of the old covenant requirements. It was to let Israel compare themselves and their practices against this vision of what God desired for them. God has always instructed Israel in the ideal yet they always fell short. Israel usually failed to adhere to God's conditions. In this situation God’s gracious provision did not materialise.

God simply wanted Israel to “be ashamed of their iniquities.” This was nothing new; in fact, that has always been God’s desire for His people. This was a promise that was built upon righteous conditions. If they would be repentant and humble themselves then they would experience the superior splendour of this new temple.

Ezekiel 43:11 continues, “And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.”

This vision was God’s blueprint for Israel in Ezekiel’s day. It was a design that contained important religious demands and was qualified with definite spiritual provisos. Israel was simply required to obey God’s conditions. The “ordinances,” “forms” and “laws” mentioned were to be kept by Israel in Ezekiel’s day. The fact that he commanded the Israelites of his day to “do them” showed that this wasn’t some distant prophecy after the new covenant period that had no direct relevance to them in that day.

The promise/vision here was intended to stir the people to righteousness in that generation. If they submitted, if they gave themselves to obedience and righteousness, the Lord would have them build a temple for His glory in that day. Again, we can see this is a conditional promise, which Israel had to fulfil before it would come to pass. We can see that it was particular to the Jews in Ezekiel's day. It was applicable to the nation in Ezekiel’s day and depicted how God wanted Israel to live under the old covenant. This was a standard that Israel was supposed to abide by.

 

[WPM]

Since you cannot show mw a single verse in the entire Bible that says the Law is divided into 3 parts, and only certain parts of it are abolished to sinners, yet you teach this, you are naughty.

Check mate. Your theology has been ably and repeatedly demolished. It is a waste of time engaging with a someone so ignorant.

 

[covenantee]

A gentile dog, yes.

If you believe that Jesus considered the woman to be a dog because she was a Gentile, then you must believe that He considers all Gentile women to be dogs.

Or maybe it's all Gentiles of both genders that He considers to be dogs. That's in the talmud.

Which do you think?

 

[covenantee]

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Are you telling God he cannot save them all?

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Are you blaming God for saving only those who gladly receive His Word?

 

[Truth7t7]

Hmm...seems to be a slight contradiction there.

2/3 of all Jews will be killed?

That's antisemitic racism at its worst.

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

 

[covenantee]

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

Judas will be among the third, even though Jesus said he was lost.

 

[Truth7t7]

Judas will be among the third, even though Jesus said he was lost.

Acts 1:25KJV
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

 

[Truther]

More and more and more and more and more avoidance. That is who you and that what you do. That is because Premils have nothing to support their error.

Ezekiel 40-48 is a detailed conditional vision; it was not some distant prophecy, as some suggest. The prophet Ezekiel was basically taken up in the Spirit and given a revelation of better things than that which prevailed when he received it.

In the vision Ezekiel was shown an arrangement that was greater than existed around him. Ezekiel 43:2-5 records, “behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory. And it was according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, even according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city: and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face. And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east. So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.”

Here we see the careful connection between the visions and Ezekiel being taken up in the Spirit. The prophet is supernaturally carried into situations that clearly did not exist at that time. They were revealed to him. In reality, the temple was in ruin and the glory of the Lord had departed from the house of God. Notwithstanding, in the visions, “the glory of the LORD came into the house.” Ezekiel was so overwhelmed by what he saw in the Spirit that as a result he “fell upon” his “face.”

Israel in Ezekiel’s day had sunk into deep idolatry and awful iniquity. God exposed the extent of the evil that existed within the camp in Ezekiel 43:8, saying, “they have even defiled my holy name by their abominations that they have committed: wherefore I have consumed them in mine anger.” Notwithstanding, God, as is His custom, reached out in His grace, mercy and love to them, exhorting them to turn from their wicked ways. He promised that He would bless them if they obeyed His voice.

He commanded them (in v 9): “Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.”

God gave definite and unambiguous instructions to Israel regarding how they could regain the blessing of God. With God there is always the promise accompanied by the conditions. Just because God offers a blessing does not mean the outcome is a foregone conclusion. The realisation would be determined by the response. If Israel obeyed what God asked, the blessing would be released, if they didn’t it would be withheld.

Ezekiel 43:10 goes on to outline the gist and purpose of the vision of the temple, saying, “Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.”

Clearly God was making a genuine offer to Israel if they would only repent. Sadly, they didn't and they never entered into the reality of that offer. God essentially shows Israel a picture of what could be if they would only turn from their sin and rebellion. It was a promise of better things if only they would submit to God’s demands. It involved an improved arrangement to what existed at the time of the proposal. It was essentially a mirror that God set up in Ezekiel’s day to allow Israel to see how far (even in that day) they fell short of the old covenant requirements. It was to let Israel compare themselves and their practices against this vision of what God desired for them. God has always instructed Israel in the ideal yet they always fell short. Israel usually failed to adhere to God's conditions. In this situation God’s gracious provision did not materialise.

God simply wanted Israel to “be ashamed of their iniquities.” This was nothing new; in fact, that has always been God’s desire for His people. This was a promise that was built upon righteous conditions. If they would be repentant and humble themselves then they would experience the superior splendour of this new temple.

Ezekiel 43:11 continues, “And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.”

This vision was God’s blueprint for Israel in Ezekiel’s day. It was a design that contained important religious demands and was qualified with definite spiritual provisos. Israel was simply required to obey God’s conditions. The “ordinances,” “forms” and “laws” mentioned were to be kept by Israel in Ezekiel’s day. The fact that he commanded the Israelites of his day to “do them” showed that this wasn’t some distant prophecy after the new covenant period that had no direct relevance to them in that day.

The promise/vision here was intended to stir the people to righteousness in that generation. If they submitted, if they gave themselves to obedience and righteousness, the Lord would have them build a temple for His glory in that day. Again, we can see this is a conditional promise, which Israel had to fulfil before it would come to pass. We can see that it was particular to the Jews in Ezekiel's day. It was applicable to the nation in Ezekiel’s day and depicted how God wanted Israel to live under the old covenant. This was a standard that Israel was supposed to abide by.

Please explain verse by verse what Ezekiel 45 is saying in your interpretation since it is not at all what it actually means on paper.

Please start and comment below each verse so we can understand it's real meaning....


45 Moreover, when ye shall divide by lot the land for inheritance, ye shall offer an oblation unto the Lord, an holy portion of the land: the length shall be the length of five and twenty thousand reeds, and the breadth shall be ten thousand. This shall be holy in all the borders thereof round about.

2 Of this there shall be for the sanctuary five hundred in length, with five hundred in breadth, square round about; and fifty cubits round about for the suburbs thereof.

3 And of this measure shalt thou measure the length of five and twenty thousand, and the breadth of ten thousand: and in it shall be the sanctuary and the most holy place.

4 The holy portion of the land shall be for the priests the ministers of the sanctuary, which shall come near to minister unto the Lord: and it shall be a place for their houses, and an holy place for the sanctuary.

5 And the five and twenty thousand of length, and the ten thousand of breadth shall also the Levites, the ministers of the house, have for themselves, for a possession for twenty chambers.

6 And ye shall appoint the possession of the city five thousand broad, and five and twenty thousand long, over against the oblation of the holy portion: it shall be for the whole house of Israel.

Thanks.

 

[Truther]

Check mate. Your theology has been ably and repeatedly demolished. It is a waste of time engaging with a someone so ignorant.

How was I demolished by you not showing me a single verse that says anything similar to "The Ceremonial Law, Judicial Law or Moral Law"?

I can only show you hundreds of times it saying "The Law".

I guess your Bible has hidden scriptures?