Everyone Who Argues Against the Deity of Jesus

[amigo de christo]

Matthew 8:23-28 Then he got into the boat and his disciples followed him. Suddenly a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping. The disciples went and woke him, saying, “Lord, save us! We’re going to drown!”He replied, “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?” Then he got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm.The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”

Luke 8:22-25
One day Jesus said to his disciples, “Let us go over to the other side of the lake.” So they got into a boat and set out. As they sailed, he fell asleep. A squall came down on the lake, so that the boat was being swamped, and they were in great danger.

The disciples went and woke him, saying, “Master, Master, we’re going to drown!”

He got up and rebuked the wind and the raging waters; the storm subsided, and all was calm. “Where is your faith?” he asked his disciples.

In fear and amazement they asked one another, “Who is this? He commands even the winds and the water, and they obey him.”

 

[Pearl]

John 20:28
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

 

[amigo de christo]

John 20:28
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

 

[Raccoon1010]

the latter part sounds a wee bit too new agey for me . Not saying you are new age of course .
How about this , GOD IS HIS WORD . AND JESUS came to shew us HOW WE OUGHT TO WORSHIP GOD .
Notice JESUS always pointed to the FATHER . The mormons believe some serious wacked out things .
I say its simple enough if we just beleive what is already written , EVEN IF WE CANNOT fully understand this .
SO allow me a few words .
IN the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and GOD IS THE WORD . That is all i need to know .
Thomas figured it out . MY LORD and my GOD . Simply beleive JESUS IS THE CHRIST , THE SON OF GOD
and believe every word written in that bible . And lift those hands and praise the LORD .
OH one more reminder . WE WONT EVER BECOME GOD . SO for those who are teaching that kind of junk
My advice is , REBUKE THEM and that lie . This lil god stuff has gotta go . I have heard folks saying
things like WE ARE CHRIST . You gotta know that is a lie . AND We become GOD . What a lie .
I say , why not just LIVE as JESUS DID . HE Wore a crown of thorns and lived no better off than even his own desicples .
I SAY , ITS TIME TO END TITLES like MOST HOLY FATHER or MOST HOLY REVERAND to men . THAT TRASH HAS TO GO .
Cause i think we both know , THE ONLY ONE WHO IS GOOD IS GOD and TO call men MOST HOLY FATHER or most HOLY reverand
IS BLAPHEMOUS . THOSE TITLES BELONG TO GOD ALONE . WE should just be lowly thankful souls always PRAISING GOD ,
CHRIST and never seeking glory for ourselves .

It's scripture not new age:

Philippians 2:8-11
8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Pearl]

There will always be those that undermine Jesus' authoriy by refusing to accept his deity, but I certainly don't have to give any credence to their beliefs which in effect limit God. And we know our God cannot be limited. You've only got to read some of the psalms to understand that.

 

[amigo de christo]

It's scripture not new age:

Philippians 2:8-11
8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[amigo de christo]

It's scripture not new age:

Philippians 2:8-11
8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

YES that is true . I was speaking out against this new age concept stuff . Too many folks thinking we can become GOD or Christ .
Yeah , that is false . But the way you meant is was TRUE .

 

[Matthias]

I only got on a Christian Forum earlier this year.

I’ve been posting on Christian forums since the mid to late ‘90s. People like me don’t typically become involved in them. My trinitarian and non-trinitarian colleagues tell me, from the comfortable confines of their ivory towers, that these forums are “a lost cause” and “a waste of our time.” I understand their sentiments, but they obviously aren’t mine.

Frankly, they’re puzzled that I do.

 

[RLT63]

I’ve been posting on Christian forums since the mid to late ‘90s. People like me don’t typically become involved in them. My trinitarian and non-trinitarian colleagues tell me, from the comfortable confines of their ivory towers, that these forums are “a lost cause” and “a waste of our time.” I understand their sentiments, but they obviously aren’t mine.

Frankly, they’re puzzled that I do.

When I got on the other forum I talked to scientists, geologists and people who had really studied fossils and evolution and I found that a lot of the material I read from young earth creationists was misleading and based on scant evidence. I never believed the earth was only 6,000 years old but I liked the YEC material refuting evolution, radiometric dating and universalism in geology but I found out much of that information is wrong. I still don't believe that men and chimpanzees evolved from a common ancestor or that the earth is 4.5 billion years old but it you are trying to witness to someone who is educated YEC arguments are probably only going to convince them you are ignorant about science. I respect YECs but much of the information they put out is misleading and based on scant evidence. Neither do I believe someone can test a meteorite and tell me with any accuracy it's 4.5 billion years old.

 

[Matthias]

When I got on the other forum I talked to scientists, geologists and people who had really studied fossils and evolution and I found that a lot of the material I read from young earth creationists was misleading and based on scant evidence. I never believed the earth was only 6,000 years old but I liked the YEC material refuting evolution, radiometric dating and universalism in geology but I found out much of that information is wrong. I still don't believe that men and chimpanzees evolved from a common ancestor or that the earth is 4.5 billion years old but it you are trying to witness to someone who is educated YEC arguments are probably only going to convince them you are ignorant about science. I respect YECs but much of the information they put out is misleading and based on scant evidence. Neither do I believe someone can test a meteorite and tell me with any accuracy it's 4.5 billion years old.

My father was a professional geologist; and agnostic.

His father (a deacon in the Southern Baptist Church) wanted him to become a preacher. My father never understood why I became a preacher, but he was indifferent about it.

After I preached graveside at my grandmother’s funeral service the only thing he said to me about it was, “Your grandfather would have been proud of you.” - he didn’t understand that my grandfather would have repudiated what I preached. To my father, all preachers are the same - and best to steer clear of.

 

[Tommy Cool]

I’ve been posting on Christian forums since the mid to late ‘90s.

Same here ...although I did take a 15 year sabbatical in 07 to raise my kids.
I was on most all sites including YA which was the only one that really allowed any type of debate in dealing with the trinity....although YA wasn't really a forum

Personally, I think convo or debate with this, or any other issues is a good thing....if it can remain civil. Currently none of the other sites allow deity discussion with dissent .... which is sad, because there are many who have questions regarding this controversial subject...
In some ways it is similar to the banning that takes place on Google, YouTube, Twitter, & Fakebook by trying to control what people think by controlling what they see.
As a biblical discussion form I don't think there should be any biblical subject that are off limits .....although it may be necessary for some guidelines on certain subjects.

 

[Waiting on him]

No, you are not simply quoting what the website itself says.



And you do this Mark. You make assertions then back off when they don't hold up to scrutiny.

If peoples believes won’t stand against a small amount of scrutiny then I believe they should maybe begin to question them?

 

[Waiting on him]

Let me put it this way mate- Do you and your chums in the 'Jesus was God' brigade really think God spent 29 years in a carpenter's shop making tables and chairs?..:)

Well, that would be a real problem because the first chapter of John said no man had ever seen God at any time.

 

[Waiting on him]

So that is definitely a NO, though for some reason you seem allergic to saying that. Instead you choose to be snide. OK then!

Much love!

I myself don’t have an issue with rejecting their statement of faith, besides the way I understand the forum is under new ownership. I don’t personally know what his SOF is?

 

[Waiting on him]

According to the website SOF, Jesus IS God.

this is wonderful.

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus was sleeping, I thought God never sleeps or slumbers?

 

[farouk]

It's scripture not new age:

Philippians 2:8-11
8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Wondrous passages there....such a lot of sublime doctrine to take to heart.....

 

[BeyondET]

Scripture mentions existing in the form of God, a lot to Philippines seems. I don't think not being able to understand grasp doesn't mean the thing is not true or is false but not something that can either way be grasped.

Philippines 2:6
who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,

 

[BeyondET]

Rather you think Jesus is God or not, neither side of the debate can grasped it.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Well, that would be a real problem because the first chapter of John said no man had ever seen God at any time.

God has been quoted as having been seen thru out the bible.