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Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?
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Of course, if you believe Jesus is God and had a dual nature you would be the latter.
Holy Smokes could you be correct? So many, in fact all of my Christian friends say I'm wrong when I say perhaps those are not of God if they believe that Jesus did not come.
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
What are the all things that were created? It's listed in the verse and they are not the planets.
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That's true - name one thing that God created that didn't have Christ in mind? Even Christ was created with ALL things in mind!
I read your post and the same kind of post that many others post. The all things are not everything that was ever created like the oceans and planets. It's right there in the verse that tells you what the all things are. They are thrones, dominions, principalities and powers. These are the all things that Christ needs to run his church that started after he rose from the dead.
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Do you even understand the meaning of the word "principle" i.e. if there was no law given to Adam at the Garden, there would be no transgression of disobedience? Sin therefore entered the world and even the earth groaneth!
Below, you will find chapter and verse that explains what I'm trying to express.
Romans 4:15 reads:
"Because the law worketh wrath, for where no law is, there is no transgression."
Romans 5:12-21 reads:
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as [it was] by one that sinned, [so is] the gift: for the judgment [was] by one to condemnation, but the free gift [is] of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
The Scriptures above are self explanatory.
To God Be The Glory
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I said those babies who are unsaved. Please, don't put words in my mouth!!! You bear false witness!
Those who believe me are the children of God.
On the other hand, those who do NOT trust Psalms 58 fall under
1 Corinthians 2:14.
To God Be The Glory
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Okay I read it again and it still reads... thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
These are the things Christ will need to run his new Church which is called the Body of Christ.
No you beg off from answering the question of the thread:
And they answered and said unto Jesus, We cannot tell.
Until you answer the main question of just who created this sin nature or spirit, and who is putting it into man in the womb, then you're just repeating a tradition.
No one believing in this tradition has even tried to answer the simple question, as though it doesn't matter who created a sin nature in man, but it's just 'there'.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Thank you very much. You are the first to offer an answer.
However, the question is not the Scriptural teaching of how a man sins by temptation of the devil, so that he receives lust in his heart to do so. The question is how that lusting nature is now put into the seed of man, so that all men are born with lusting to sin in their soul and/or flesh.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
What you are saying is that Christ has now granted the god of this world power to make man with Christ, since nothing is made with Him. And the devil's part is to put his sin nature into the souls and/or flesh of man.
If the devil is said to be doing it on his own, then it is nothing he is making in man, because nothing can be made without Christ: on his own the devil can make no sin nature in man.
And so, for the devil to be making man with lust to sin against Christ, it is Christ Himself that has now granted Lucifer power to do what he lusted for in the beginning: to become a creator of his own creatures like God.
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
The sinful lust to become a creator in opposition to God, is not granted by Christ to the devil.
The god of this world is now a creator of sinful creatures in his own image, so that we are born from the womb to hate Jesus Christ.
And Christ willingly participates in it: Christ and Lucifer are now co-creators of sin babes in the womb.
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This is predeterminism of certain salvation for some and certain damnation for others at their conception.
It says Christ alone makes some souls and babes in the womb, and Christ allows Satan to help make other souls and babes in the womb with Him.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I understand not all jehovah worshipping idolators call themselves JW's.
I've also already been down the long and winding road of perverting all other Scriptures, after these two simple ones are denied.
I don't bother going down that endless road anymore:
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject.
I don't argue over and over again just for argument's sake. It's unedifying and pointless.
It's all you people do, because you really love to show off your self-learned Scholarship, that only results in not knowing the true God, nor having His dear Son nor His Spirit dwelling with in you.
And so, either the devil or man now creates man and natural things of the earth with lust to sin in it?
Christ is not the lone Creator and Maker of all things in heaven and in earth? He now grants power to man and devils to be co-creators with Himself, whose specific purpose is to make creatures in the image of rebellious man and angels?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
There is nothing made, that is not made with Christ.
If Lucifer or man is now the one now making a 'sin nature' in man, then it is nothing, unless it is now made with Christ by consent.
Lucifer has not now been granted the power by Christ, to do what he lusted to do in the beginning, and become a creator of creatures in his own image, just like God:
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Marvel Comics of an 'Adamic Fallen Race' created in the image of Lucifer, is not real: Christ is the Creator of all things spiritual in nature and natural on earth, and nothing is created that is not by Him, and for Him:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.
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