Why then did Jesus not rebuke him as an idolater?
Did followers of Jesus in the New Testament worship Him? Was that right or wrong?
Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?
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Why then did Jesus not rebuke him as an idolater?
Did followers of Jesus in the New Testament worship Him? Was that right or wrong?
Do you think I'm going to pay attention to anything you say at this point? Think again. You are deceived and are a false teacher. Your lies will be exposed. You have no discernment whatsoever. Jesus is both fully man AND fully God. You're not differentiating between His humanity and deity, which exposes your utter lack of discernment. Jesus is God. Thomas understood that, so why don't you?
John 20:28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Do you believe that Jesus didn't exist before He was born of the virgin Mary?
If so, what do you make of this:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Colossians 1:For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
I agree. This is utterly shameful blasphemy that we are witnessing on this Christian forum. It's truly unbelievable and disgusting.
He has given his reasons for disagreeing with you repeatedly. Why do you lie constantly?
So, are you saying Thomas was mistaken to call Him his God? Jesus certainly didn't correct him after he said that.
You're digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself here. It would be better for you to repent of your rejection of Christ's deity than to keeping digging it even deeper.
It was already derailed before that.
Which is complete nonsense. What does that even mean for Him to do "mighty God"? To play God? You have no idea. You can never back up your claims with anything that makes any sense.
LOL. Of course it is. You are making a fool of yourself here. You will find a way to deny any scripture which teaches that Jesus is God. How do you twist this one:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
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You are a heretic because you're denying the deity of Christ which is taught in scripture repeatedly. The topic of His deity has no direct relation to the topic of the thousand years. A vast majority of both Premils and Amils understand that Jesus is God.
The New Testament narrative, in John 1:1-5, says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.”
Verse 10-14 continues, “He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
This passage shows, in unmistakable language, that “the Word” is Christ. It reveals the King of Glory in all His marvelous provision, purpose and power. The reading outlines His eternal pre-existence, powerfully revealing Him as the eternal Son of God; “The same was in the beginning with God” (v 2). Whilst, Christ was man of very man, He was also God of very God. Verse 1 succinctly says, “the Word was God.” Therefore, as the second person of the Trinity, He was the eternal Creator of this world.” Verse 10 tells us, “the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
I Corinthians 8:6 says: “there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”
The Bible acknowledges Jesus as the Word, the Creator.
Ephesians 3:9 tells us: “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.”
Colossians 1:13-17 says: “Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
This passage, which is speaking of Jesus, tells us that “all things were created by him, and for him” which would clearly make Him God.
Hebrews 1:2 &10 says, “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom (or dia hos) also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high … And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.”
Firstly, as Strong’s correctly explains: the word dia (which is rightly interpreted “by” here) is “a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act.” In the case we are looking at it tells us that it was through the channel or agency of the “Son” that God “made the worlds.” This is clear and simple for those that don’t need to reinterpret it. The word hos (rendered “whom”) is simply “the relatively (sometimes demonstrative) pronoun, who, which, what, that.” There is absolutely no ground to negate the meaning of the commonly used Greek words. They show what repeated Scripture tells us that Jesus is God/Creator.
Finally, the word for “made” here is the popular Greek word poieo which simply and consistently means ‘to make or do’. These verses show the pre-existence of Christ the Son of God the Creator.
This is the only time in the Bible that this word is found.
The phrase “express image” derives from the lone Greek word charakter which means what it says: “character.” Christ is “the brightness of” God’s “glory” and the “charakter of his person.” Christ is the physical manifestation or representation of the invisible God. He is indeed the “express image” of Almighty God. Jesus is God. God physically is expressed in the person of Christ.
Hebrews 2:9-10 declares: “we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings."
Revelation 3:14 declares: “And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.”
The designation “faithful and true” belongs to Christ. We see that in the depiction of the Second Coming in Revelation 19:11: “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.”
Revelation 4:10-11 declares: “The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.”
Unitarians, JWs, and Mormons among others turn the man Jesus into one of the greatest phonies this world has ever known. First God creates the world then Jesus comes along 4,000 years later and claims to have created the world. I mean: hello!!!
Of course, they must dismiss this because they deny that Jesus is God. They imagine Him to simply be an exalted man. But why would God allow human beings to put their faith and trust in a mere man, regardless of how glorious his exploits? Why would God allow them to bow down and worship before this man? This is idolatry.
Blasphemy is an attack upon the character of God. Heresy is a gross attack upon God's truth. He is doing both. Christians do not do that.
That explains why you reacted to my previous post on the subject that absolutely demolishes your post to me.
I will repeat it:
He is both the root and the offspring. This is talking about His Godhood and His manhood. He was before David as Lord and He was after him as his posterity.
On the same vein, Christ asked the Pharisees, in Matthew 22:42-46, “What think ye of Christ (or Messiah)? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.” He then quoted Psalm 110:1, saying, “The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?” He asked them, “If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?” The Pharisees were bewildered at Christ’s question. The reading states, “And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.”
Christ was here specifically referring to the great mystery of His eternal Sonship (or His pre-existence in all eternity) – a truth that evidently perplexed the religious Pharisees. The religious Pharisees had absolutely no grasp of that great truth. They had no comprehension that He was both before and after David. The answer to the enquiry was that He was before David (being the root of David) in His divine office as the eternal Son of God; therefore, David called Him Lord. Nevertheless, He was also his offspring in a natural sense, through the incarnation at Bethlehem, and was therefore a son of David by way of lineage.
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"And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering:" Genesis 22:8
Abraham understood. Of course not many can see that Abraham said, "God will provide Himself". The virgin birth was prophecied, as the means of God providing Himself. Isaiah 7:14
"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
How did Abraham know way before Isaiah lived? Hebrews 11:19
"Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure."
How did Abraham understand a resurrection of one's physical body? Why did Abraham tell Isaac one thing, when Abraham knew God could resurrect Isaac if he was literally killed as the sacrifice? Abraham met God. How?
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LOL. You read all the posts in the discussion, didn't you? How can you not know? Obviously, the contradiction is that you considered the flood, a global destruction event, an act of God's grace and mercy, but said that Him destroying the earth with fire in the future would not be Him showing grace and mercy.
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