atpollard
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Hypostatic UnionWho told you that?
(from Wikipedia … the most easily confirmed source on the planet … even if it is not where I originally learned of it.)
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Hypostatic UnionWho told you that?
That’s Arianism, Patrick!God did not need to become a man and give his life because the Almighty is immortal and cannot die. He “sent” his son to carry out that mission...one who the apostles called God’s “holy servant” (Acts 4:27) Can God be his own servant?
I don't want to talk about John 1:1.
I'm perfectly content and at peace with John 1:1.
I know exactly what God meant when He inspired John to speak of The Word.
He meant Jesus Christ and no amount of dissecting the words or language can discount all of the rest of the Bible that defines what is meant there.
Logos, lagos, pogos, pagos blah, blah, blah. It makes zero difference whatsoever. All that matters is how the rest of the Scripture defines it.
And it defines The Word as Jesus Christ.
Plain and simple.
And you can't dissect, or explain, that away.
"Hypostatic union (from the Greek: ὑπόστασις hypóstasis, "sediment, foundation, substance, subsistence") is a technical term in Christian theology employed in mainstream Christology to describe the union of Christ's humanity and divinity in one hypostasis, or individual existence.[1]Hypostatic Union
(from Wikipedia … the most easily confirmed source on the planet … even if it is not where I originally learned of it.)
Proving what I wrote in another thread; invariably mystical dualists have to ignore basic questions and resort to attacking those who don’t agree with them as lacking.I have come to the realization that people who desperately need to prove that the Bible means what it says cannot possibly have a close relationship to the LORD
You do realize this ridiculous term, that you've latched onto for dear life and are wearing ... out is completely made up, don't you?mystical dualists have to ignore basic questions and resort to attacking those who don’t agree with them
If the shoe fits …You do realize this ridiculous term, that you've latched onto for dear life and are wearing ... out is completely made up, don't you?
Can you present any official definition for it since you keep throwing it around as if it's some sophisticated concept?
Who instituted "Christian theology"? The church did.....not Jesus. "Theology" is what the church thinks the Bible says.....Nowhere in all of scripture do we find any statement that Jesus is both fully God and fully man...that is an impossibility. If Jesus was 100% mortal human, he cannot at the same time be 100% immortal God.
And what exactly is it that you think I believe? Because you've repeatedly referred to my belief as a Father-Son-Only deity. That is not what I believe.The genus of folks with your beliefs exist. I merely properly identified what that is. In your world view, logic does not apply to the subject under discussion, specifically the principle of mutual exclusivity. My short hand for this is mystical dualism.
Not to me you haven't.And I’ve explained this numerous times before.
That 1 <>1 but 2 or 3 or 7 or all."Mainstream Christology".....seriously,.....how can you quote such a biased source? What else are they going to say?
Who? The person who finds out that they have been conned by someone who has made a practice of deception for years.Who falls in love with somebody and then researches and background checks and asks around and studies and checks and re-checks everything that person says or does?
Its not that we are not "sold" on Jesus....its that we do not believe what Christendom teaches about him. We do not doubt Jesus or his Father for a second....Jesus never said he was God....Yahweh never said that Jesus was God and nowhere is the holy spirit ever called "God"......so what is that belief based on?....Suggestion, conjecture and assumption....not to mention trusting in the wrong religious teachers. Think back to the first century and you will see exactly the same scenario playing out.I'll tell you who.
Those who do not at all trust that person. Those who are filled with doubt about that person. Those who are not at all sold out for that person.
See...that is a false assumption....we know the God we worship and he is ONE, as the scriptures tell us....not THREE. When someone wants to prove that our ONE God is THREE we will defend the truth...and the truth is Jesus never once said he was God or even his equal. Find me one scripture where Jesus admits to being God incarnate or that the holy spirit is God in a threesome.In other words, NOBODY can be in love with a person they work that hard to prove wrong in every single way.
It's not Christendom's version of things that have claimed Jesus to be God. It's the Bible. And many of those verses have been presented for you to summarily deny.Its not the Bible and its not the teachings of Jesus Christ that are the problem....its Christendom's version of things that do not ring true.
It very effectively makes it crystal clear that Jesus is God and NO. Even if the Bible contained a verse stating exactly what you demand it needs to say in order for you to grace us with your agreement, you would undoubtedly STILL find some way around accepting it.Nowhere does the Bible clearly state that Jesus is Almighty God. If there was a clear statement, then we would not still be arguing about this very important issue.
You just got through claiming with feigned authority that the Bible nowhere claims that God is omnipresent. To which I gladly corrected you with one of the handful of verses to the contrary.... nowhere is the holy spirit ever called "God"......so what is that belief based on?
NOTHING will silence your argument.That will silence the argument immediately....
Well that was a well documented response ....I guess you have no defense for your beliefs then...?
Its not denying anything....the Bible simply doesn't say what Christendom wants to teach. It was exactly the same in Jesus' day.....by the time Jesus walked the earth, Judaism had gone completely apostate....but Jesus was Jewish, so he defended the truth of God's word rather than pander to the self-righteous religious leaders who had made the word of God invalid because they had replaced the scriptures with man-made traditions. (Matthew 15:7-9)It's not Christendom's version of things that have claimed Jesus to be God. It's the Bible. And many of those verses have been presented for you to summarily deny.
Any scripture provided to support the trinity is based on conjecture, suggestion, and reading into scripture what Christ never taught outright.It very effectively makes it crystal clear that Jesus is God and NO. Even if the Bible contained a verse stating exactly what you demand it needs to say in order for you to grace us with your agreement, you would undoubtedly STILL find some way around accepting it.
Omniscience makes omnipresence unnecessary. God has no need to be everywhere at once. Jesus gave his Father a location....."Our Father who art in heaven".....God is not everywhere.You just got through claiming with feigned authority that the Bible nowhere claims that God is omnipresent. To which I gladly corrected you with one of the handful of verses to the contrary.
Let's break these verses up for clarity.....Now it's "Nowhere is the Holy Spirit ever called God!"
Rom 8:9-11 explains that the Holy Spirit is God.
Funny.....after my studies, that is just what I think Christendom has done for centuries. They have misinformed, distracted, diminished and discouraged people by teaching lies about who God is, and what the true relationship is between Father and son....they have no idea what God's holy spirit is either.NOTHING will silence your argument.
You are not here to agree with the Bible, or those who believe in it, you are here to disinform, distract, deflect, diminish and discourage.
Jesus defended God's Word because He IS God.by the time Jesus walked the earth, Judaism had gone completely apostate....but Jesus was Jewish, so he defended the truth of God's word rather than pander to the self-righteous religious leaders who had made the word of God invalid because they had replaced the scriptures with man-made traditions. (Matthew 15:7-9)
No, but I always wonder why you are even here on this Christian Forum.Did you never wonder why Christendom has beliefs that are all mirrored in paganism......multiplicities of gods....immortal souls that end up in heavenly bliss, or raosting in hell for all eternity? Who copied whom? Would God ever copy the devil?