Has Jesus Returned? - Hour video

[MatthewG]

I don’t have a gun to anyones head saying people must believe as I do otherwise your not a child of God.

I choose to believe how I do based on God and my hope for his desires to be met not having any to perish in the sense of lost completely forever.

I choose to believe how I do as for people who have had lost ones die they can be assured they are alive outside of the city.

I choose to believe how I do as it would also give us a job in heaven to do if it is to outside into the darkness where non believers live, and help them come to cross.

How others choose to believe is between them and God and this is why I fully endorse subjective Christianity @Charlie24, and @jeffweeder.

I could be fully wrong in my belief but I believe it despite what people may think I need to believe or subjective myself to.

I only subjective myself to God on these matters despite man and what they may think.

 

[MatthewG]

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for joining the conversation and hope my point is made explicit to you @Charlie24 and @jeffweeder in post 41.

 

[Charlie24]

I don’t have a gun to anyones head saying people must believe as I do otherwise your not a child of God.

I choose to believe how I do based on God and my hope for his desires to be met not having any to perish in the sense of lost completely forever.

I choose to believe how I do as for people who have had lost ones die they can be assured they are alive outside of the city.

I choose to believe how I do as it would also give us a job in heaven to do if it is to outside into the darkness where non believers live, and help them come to cross.

How others choose to believe is between them and God and this is why I fully endorse subjective Christianity @Charlie24, and @jeffweeder.

I could be fully wrong in my belief but I believe it despite what people may think I need to believe or subjective myself to.

I only subjective myself to God on these matters despite man and what they may think.

Matthew, I don't want to see you answer to Christ at His Judgment Seat for teaching others that no matter what, they will end up in His Kingdom. That is not going to be pleasant for you, my friend.

I'm doing my part to show you this is a very dangerous teaching and carries severe consequences!

 

[MatthewG]

The second death isn’t something people will enjoy experiencing. No doubt, but people will undoubtedly have their part in it. People make the choice not believe in God and seek him out in faith. That is no one’s fault but people and their own choice between them and God alone.

I haven’t once said everyone will end up in the kingdom. Just to make it clear @Charlie24, there is a distinct difference because they end up on the outside of the kingdom. I did say possibly for us to have a job to go help them but I don’t know that for sure.

Good for you doing your part my brother, but don’t you think I would have already known that? I don’t promise everyone to be in the kingdom at death but all will be in the heavenly realm be it outside the kingdom or inside.

Believe me when I say just let go and let God judge me, and my own heart.

Thank you.

 

[amigo de christo]

Matthew, I don't want to see you answer to Christ at His Judgment Seat for teaching others that no matter what, they will end up in His Kingdom. That is not going to be pleasant for you, my friend.

I'm doing my part to show you this is a very dangerous teaching and carries severe consequences!

Too many folks are going along with this lie my friend . They forgot and forget the many parts
that speak about those who DENY CHRIST . They give people a false hope .
But we give them TRUE HOPE . BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST . Ye must believe in CHRIST JESUS .
JESUS warned exactly what would happen to those who did not believe on him .
Said it would be worse for them on the day of judgment than it was even for Sodom . Exactly .
YET these folks want to make it seem like that just aint the case . I do believe it also says
that all UNBELIEVERS will also have their part in the LAKE OF FIRE .
EXPOSE IT MY FRIEND . EXPOSE IT and let us POINT ONLY TO CHRIST JESUS . Praise be to HIS HOLY NAME .

 

[Charlie24]

The second death isn’t something people will enjoy experiencing. No doubt, but people will undoubtedly have their part in it. People make the choice not believe in God and seek him out in faith. That is no one’s fault but people and their own choice between them and God alone.

I haven’t once said everyone will end up in the kingdom. Just to make it clear @Charlie24, there is a distinct difference because they end up on the outside of the kingdom. I did say possibly for us to have a job to go help them but I don’t know that for sure.

Good for you doing your part my brother, but don’t you think I would have already known that? I don’t promise everyone to be in the kingdom at death but all will be in the heavenly realm be it outside the kingdom or inside.

Believe me when I say just let go and let God judge me, and my own heart.

Thank you.

He certainly will judge you, Matthew. This false teaching that has no text whatsoever, a pure pipedream, cannot go without judgement.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for joining in @amigo de christo, you know as well as I do people will reject Christ. Even people who call themselves Christian’s reject Christ and instead based salvation solely on their own works. What a deception indeed. It’s all the work of Christ we even get to approach the Father in heaven. Though people make their choice none the less, ending on the outside of the kingdom. Called to love God first and love others.

 

[MatthewG]

He certainly will judge you, Matthew. This false teaching that has no text whatsoever, a pure pipedream, cannot go without judgement.

I’m glad he will judge me and not others. That is why Jesus said judged not least you be judged. Thus thank you for kind warning but youll have to get off my back and let it go.

 

[MatthewG]

I have no animosity for hating anyone, people may believe what they will, and they are subject to God and him alone.

May you each be blessed either way it goes and be helped by the spirit as you live to learn to die to oneself and be alive unto God in Christ.

 

[Charlie24]

I’m glad he will judge me and not others. That is why Jesus said judged not least you be judged. Thus thank you for kind warning but youll have to get off my back and let it go.

I can do that with a clear conscience now.

 

[jeffweeder]

The second death isn’t something people will enjoy experiencing. No doubt, but people will undoubtedly have their part in it. People make the choice not believe in God and seek him out in faith. That is no one’s fault but people and their own choice between them and God alone.

I haven’t once said everyone will end up in the kingdom. Just to make it clear @Charlie24, there is a distinct difference because they end up on the outside of the kingdom. I did say possibly for us to have a job to go help them but I don’t know that for sure.

Good for you doing your part my brother, but don’t you think I would have already known that? I don’t promise everyone to be in the kingdom at death but all will be in the heavenly realm be it outside the kingdom or inside.

Believe me when I say just let go and let God judge me, and my own heart.

Thank you.

I understand what you are saying Matthew, but there comes a point in time when the door is shut and those outside of salvation are eternally separated.
I will let scripture tell you when that happens...,


2thess 1
3 We ought always and indeed are morally obligated [as those in debt] to give thanks to God for you, brothers and sisters, as is fitting, because your faith is growing ever greater, and the [unselfish] love of each one of you toward one another is continually increasing. 4 Therefore, we speak of you with pride among the churches of God for your steadfastness [your unflinching endurance, and patience] and your firm faith in the midst of all the persecution and [crushing] distress which you endure. 5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].

9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day [that is, glorified through the changed lives of those who have accepted Him as Savior and have been set apart for His purpose], and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed and trusted [and confirmed in your lives].


God bless you in your studies Brother

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you @jeffweeder and totally understand what you mean. But the gates of the city are never said to ever be closed which is interesting, thank you for your encouragement! Very thoughtful and kind of you, and perhaps you can take a look at the city and the 12 gates with the 12 stones for the nation of Israel in I believe revelation 21.

 

[amigo de christo]

Thank you for joining in @amigo de christo, you know as well as I do people will reject Christ. Even people who call themselves Christian’s reject Christ and instead based salvation solely on their own works. What a deception indeed. It’s all the work of Christ we even get to approach the Father in heaven. Though people make their choice none the less, ending on the outside of the kingdom. Called to love God first and love others.

Oh yes they are false christains indeed . PS if we love we would tell folks the truth and not give them a false hope
Its you who does not love . Nor does the all inclusive false we are one love religoin . WHICH aint love and it sure aint from GOD .

 

[MatthewG]

“and the nations of the saved in its light shall walk, and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it, and its gates shall not at all be shut by day, for night shall not be there;”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21‬:‭24‬-‭25‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

Revelation 21:25 and its gates shall not at all be shut by day, for night shall not be there | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now

and its gates shall not at all be shut by day, for night shall not be there

bible.com

Such an interesting verse which is after all of 2nd Thessalonians has been done with as well, pertaining mainly to the judgment that would fall on the nation of Israel, by the pouring of the wrath of God.

It’s been awhile since going back to 2 thess and 1 thess, because they are very difficult to go through, as far as studies.

 

[amigo de christo]

I can do that with a clear conscience now.

at least you tried my friend . its on him now . I fear for these people who TROD the gospel , who trod JESUS under foot .
They think they love and yet they give a false hope . IF we love we tell them ONE must BELEIVE IN JESUS .
any love that says otherwise aint love and it aint hope its destruction and leadeth to the second death .
They created a love god and tis a love god that all religoins and even the secular embrace .
IT honors sins , it honors all paths to God . NOW WHO would do such a thing .
SATAN would . HE has always desired the worship and through this love god , THEY EMBRACE HIM not GOD .

 

[MatthewG]

Oh yes they are false christains indeed . PS if we love we would tell folks the truth and not give them a false hope
It’s you who does not love . Nor does the all inclusive false we are one love religoin . WHICH aint love and it sure aint from GOD .

People make their own choice.

You can share about God and Jesus but it’s up to them if they believe on him or not. Such a great thing that the sin of all the world has been paid for and reconciled back to God because of his Son.

Totally choice you can try to share as much as you want but if they do not want, no one can force them and we have to love them even if they choose not to believe, right?

Or do we give up and just toss them to the wayside? Even ignore them?

 

[MatthewG]

I can do that with a clear conscience now.

As long as in your mind it’s clear now that is great friend.

 

[MatthewG]

God is constantly calling by the spirit through nature, through the Bible itself, through the Lord Jesus, through the apostles.

“And the Spirit and the Bride say, Come; and he who is hearing — let him say, Come; and he who is thirsting — let him come; and he who is willing — let him take the water of life freely.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭17‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the Bride say, Come; and he who is hearing — let him say, Come; and he who is thirsting — let him come; and he who is willing — let him take the water of life freely. | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Do

And the Spirit and the Bride say, Come; and he who is hearing — let him say, Come; and he who is thirsting — let him come; and he who is willing — let him take the water of life freely.

bible.com

 

[amigo de christo]

“and the nations of the saved in its light shall walk, and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it, and its gates shall not at all be shut by day, for night shall not be there;”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21‬:‭24‬-‭25‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

Revelation 21:25 and its gates shall not at all be shut by day, for night shall not be there | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now

and its gates shall not at all be shut by day, for night shall not be there

bible.com

Such an interesting verse which is after all of 2nd Thessalonians has been done with as well, pertaining mainly to the judgment that would fall on the nation of Israel, by the pouring of the wrath of God.

It’s been awhile since going back to 2 thess and 1 thess, because they are very difficult to go through, as far as studies.

of the saved . hey mathew , ithink you keep forgetting the part about the only WAY one can be saved .
So allow me to repeat what paul and silas once told the jailer .
SIRS what must i do to be saved . answer , BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST .
the saved of the nations , ARE THE PEOPLES who DID BELIEVE IN JESUS . You keep twisting things to mean what it dont mean .
YA gotta learn all things JESUS said , not just find parts to twist to fit this lie . You will be held accountable to GOD
for this . Out of love i am only trying to point you in the RIGHT direction , BEFORE that day .