The Oddities of different teachings through organization(s).

[MatthewG]

So do you not believe people have been resurrected and are living in the heavenly Jerusalem?

Proof?

Well gotta prove to me Jesus Christ even rose from the dead for me to believe it?

Exactly what is your belief about the dead?

Do you even have faith Jesus raised from the dead? If that is the case you do, all are going to be resurrected. John the Beloved suggested those who go into the gates.

A quote I heard the other day is “Hell is learning the truth to late”, @Charlie24.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus explains people from the gentiles will be able to eat with Abraham Isaac and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

“As he entered Caperna-um, a centurion came forward to him, beseeching him and saying, “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, in terrible distress.” And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.” But the centurion answered him, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I am a man under authority, with soldiers under me; and I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my slave, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” When Jesus heard him, he marveled, and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I say to you, not even in Israel have I found such faith. I tell you, many will come from east and west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8‬:‭5‬-‭12‬ ‭RSV‬‬

Matthew 8:7-12 And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.” But the centurion answered him, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I am a | Revised Standard Version (RSV) |

And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.” But the centurion answered him, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I am a

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Even he says those there are those that will be outside the kingdom, I believe this has to do with a lot of the Pharisees and scribes who partook in idolatry and killing the Lord Jesus Christ. But according to John? He explains people being outside of the kingdom of Heaven, or the city gates?

 

[MatthewG]

I’m glad you’re not much judge @Charlie24, I’m just asking you to explain to me what your issues are. You say they are all out of context but I’m showing them for what they are?

Fighting and bickering is not the way of Christ and I already know God will judge me at the end of life so why do you constantly reminded me as though I don’t know that already sir? You too will be judged at the end of your life.

Those who have hope in Christ do what he commandmeed which is to Love God and love our neighbor as ourselves.

 

[MatthewG]

1 John 3:23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

 

[MatthewG]

Would love to hear what it is your belief and hope is in Charlie24, love to you brother. Please forgive my passion, in Christ.

 

[Charlie24]

So do you not believe people have been resurrected and are living in the heavenly Jerusalem?

Proof?

Well gotta prove to me Jesus Christ even rose from the dead for me to believe it?

Exactly what is your belief about the dead?

Do you even have faith Jesus raised from the dead? If that is the case you do, all are going to be resurrected. John the Beloved suggested those who go into the gates.

A quote I heard the other day is “Hell is learning the truth to late”.

"To be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord." 2 Cor. 5:8

That is not a resurrection!

Gen. 35:18
"And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

Rachel died and her soul departed from her body and went to either heaven or hell, I think it would be obvious that Rachel went to heaven.

 

[Charlie24]

Would love to hear what it is your belief and hope is in Charlie24, love to you brother. Please forgive my passion, in Christ.

I can ignore them just as fast as you can send them! Or we can have a legitimate conversation.

 

[MatthewG]

"To be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord." 2 Cor. 5:8

That is not a resurrection!

Gen. 35:18
"And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

Rachel died and her soul departed from her body and went to either heaven or hell, I think it would be obvious that Rachel went to heaven.

Okay what next?

People are going to hell, or paradise.

This is something you still believe now today, and that 2 Corinthians 5:8 is not the resurrection according to you.

 

[MatthewG]

There are people out there who don’t believe the resurrection happens until Jesus returns, is that something you subscribe to? It’s good to just get it out in the open.

You believe people are still going to hell, or paradise some part of Sheol now today, @Charlie24.

So is that also what happens to you when you die? You go to Sheol, either the paradise side or the prison side? Waiting on the Lord to return to resurrect individuals and see the final judgment being the white throne and what not?

 

[Charlie24]

I’m glad you’re not much judge @Charlie24, I’m just asking you to explain to me what your issues are. You say they are all out of context but I’m showing them for what they are?

Fighting and bickering is not the way of Christ and I already know God will judge me at the end of life so why do you constantly reminded me as though I don’t know that already sir? You too will be judged at the end of your life.

Those who have hope in Christ do what he commandmeed which is to Love God and love our neighbor as ourselves.

So you want me to stop disagreeing and go along with false doctrine?

Okay what next?

People are going to hell, or paradise.

This is something you still believe now today, and that 2 Corinthians 5:8 is not the resurrection according to you.

The resurrection is that of the physical body, Matthew. You know, "the dead in Christ shall rise" Scripture.

Surly you've read it!

 

[MatthewG]

We differ friend, but I don’t hate you just know that @Charlie24.

I believe we are spiritually risen again but people don’t believe that and I get it. The biggest indication comes from Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. I do believe Jesus was resurrected physically to show we are gonna be risen again spiritually.

But hey you believe what you want, your going to anyways.

 

[Charlie24]

We differ friend, but I don’t hate you just know that @Charlie24.

I believe we are spiritually risen again but people don’t believe that and I get it. The biggest indication comes from Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. I do believe Jesus was resurrected physically to show we are gonna be risen again spiritually.

But hey you believe what you want, your going to anyways.

I don't hate you Matthew, just putting on the heat for you to prove your doctrine.

 

[MatthewG]

What is my doctrine though is the question, @Charlie24. It’s not something people have to believe in to be saved to the Kingdom. It’s believing in the resurrected savior who paid for the sins of all people, which his blood covers them to be saved to the Kingdom.

Jesus has saved people from hell, sin, death, Satan, the beast, the false prophet, Satan and his angels, even the Wrath of God and saved them to be able to be outside the kingdom of heaven.

It’s only Jesus and his shed blood that makes people right with God by faith, and they are saved to the Kingdom of God, which resides in their heart.

So I don’t care what you do @Charlie24, you can come fight me and bash me all in the name of Christ for what you believe is right in your own understanding. I’m glad we don’t hate each other that is great, and surely this shouldn’t irritate you then.

 

[Charlie24]

What is my doctrine though is the question, @Charlie24. It’s not something people have to believe in to be saved to the Kingdom. It’s believing in the resurrected savior who paid for the sins of all people, which his blood covers them to be saved to the Kingdom.

Jesus has saved people from hell, sin, death, Satan, the beast, the false prophet, Satan and his angels, even the Wrath of God and saved them to be able to be outside the kingdom of heaven.

It’s only Jesus and his shed blood that makes people right with God by faith, and they are saved to the Kingdom of God, which resides in their heart.

So I don’t care what you do @Charlie24, you can come fight me and bash me all in the name of Christ for what you believe is right in your own understanding. I’m glad we don’t hate each other that is great, and surely this shouldn’t irritate you then.

Is it the practice of a Christian to teach what they cannot prove from Scripture?

If those in hell get out at some point, then show us in Scripture, or you can begin to practice being a Christian.

 

[MatthewG]

It’s always said those who can’t agree should agree to disagree as if a person is not able to change their mind on matters perhaps it’s where God needs to step and and pray for the individual to come to the knowledge and wisdom of God and what he wants them to know.

“For God is my witness, how I yearn for you all with the affection of Christ Jesus. And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, so that you may approve what is excellent, and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruits of righteousness which come through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬-‭11‬ ‭RSV‬‬

Philippians 1:11 filled with the fruits of righteousness which come through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God. | Revised Standard Version (RSV) | Download The Bible App Now

filled with the fruits of righteousness which come through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.

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[MatthewG]

Is it the practice of a Christian to teach what they cannot prove from Scripture?

If those in hell get out at some point, then show us in Scripture, or you can begin to practice being a Christian.

You must be losing your mind old friend. We done did this the other day. Not happening again, it’s just best we stop.

 

[Charlie24]

It’s always said those who can’t agree should agree to disagree as if a person is not able to change their mind on matters perhaps it’s where God needs to step and and pray for the individual to come to the knowledge and wisdom of God and what he wants them to know.

“For God is my witness, how I yearn for you all with the affection of Christ Jesus. And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, so that you may approve what is excellent, and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruits of righteousness which come through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬-‭11‬ ‭RSV‬‬

Philippians 1:11 filled with the fruits of righteousness which come through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God. | Revised Standard Version (RSV) | Download The Bible App Now

filled with the fruits of righteousness which come through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.

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I don't feel like agreeing to disagree at the moment. I want to know why you teach what you can't prove!

 

[Charlie24]

You must be losing your mind old friend. We done did this the other day. Not happening again, it’s just best we stop.

OK, but I will be checking in from time to time. Find the answer for me and I will join you!

 

[MatthewG]

bro


People believe the Bible is a hoax…

And Jesus is not real.

But you know for sure people are still going to hell, can you provide evidence?

It’s all meta psychical…

But your right and I’m right in my own stance but we could both be wrong.

Who knows.

 

[MatthewG]

We still gotta die and try to love each other before we do die.