The Learner
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Your question was already asked and answered, did you read it?You keep repeating this....but where does the Bible say that we must believe in the “physical” resurrection of Christ when Peter clearly states that Jesus was “put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit”? (1 Peter 3:18) If he was raised “in the flesh” Peter would have said so....he didn’t.
How would Jesus take his 'flesh and bones' to heaven?....minus his blood? Is that what you think? Where does it say that?
At 1 Cor 15:50-53 Paul wrote of his fellow elect....
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal mustput on immortality.” (KJV)
What does Paul tell us....?
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God....can flesh be flesh without blood?.....what creature of flesh has no blood to oxygenate every cell in their body?......so how can your scenario fit what Paul says there? According to you it is flesh and blood that does inherit the kingdom here on earth....yet Jesus clearly said that he was taking his elect to heaven....but many will "sleep" in death before that takes place.
Only those alive when Jesus returns, will not need to "sleep".
Paul wrote to the Colossians....but notice who he mentions....
“To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel”. (KJV)
This is your chosen translation, and here Paul makes a clear difference between the “saints” (elect) and “the faithful brethren”....and it is the brethren who express love for the “all the saints” who have a “hope which is laid up...in heaven”. Not all have "the heavenly calling" (Heb 3:1)
Someone is schooled in their theology but not in the Bible as a whole......so who is presenting themselves as NOT indoctrinated, when they clearly are......? Your whole scenario is full of holes.
No, I’m sorry......Jehovah and his Christ are not part of that hypocritical rabble in any way. Christendom does not teach a single thing that Jesus did. None of their doctrines or practices come from the Bible, but are grafted into misinterpreted scripture......they teach from the old traditions that came to be substituted for God’s word when Christendom was born in the early centuries. History is repeating, only on a grander scale. What the devil did to Judaism, he has done even more so to Christendom. (Matthew 15: 7-9) No one seems to notice, but that is exactly what Jesus foretold....(Matthew 24:37-39)
“Christendom” is identified by the core beliefs that all their thousands of sects hold in common (including your own)....i.e......a triune godhead....immortality of the soul.....and hellfire of eternal torment....none of which were believed by the first Christians or taught by Christ and his apostles....and all of which are believed by those in pagan religions around the world. How can “Christians” share beliefs with those who worship satan’s false gods....(2 Cor 6:14-18)
There is only ONE truth......we just have to find the ones who teach it...but it can only happen with God’s guidance. (John 6:65) Many thousands will say "that is us"...but they will be sadly mistaken.
I don’t recall saying that works alone were necessary for salvation.....according to James though, if we have no works to back up our faith...it is “dead”. (James 2:18-26)
Those whom Christ will reject at the judgment will be promoting a false Christianity, identified by the same core of beliefs that run through all false religion manufactured by God's enemy. Because Christ is at this moment separating the “sheep from the goats”, this means that these two groups will have nothing in common....true Christians will be completely different from those who merely claim Jesus as their “Lord”.
From my perspective, all you have done is jump out of the frying pan, into a smaller frying pan. The same fire burns under both.
But your choices are yours to make....as are mine.
I am fully aware of what Christendom claims to have done and it sounds very familiar. (Matthew 7:21-23)
You criticize our organization for publishing books to help people understand the scriptures, and then point to others who publish such books and praise them for fulfilling the great commission....good grief....
When I ask those in Christendom what "the good news of the kingdom" is....I get a bunch of vague answers.
If none of you can explain it clearly, then how are you “preaching the good news of the kingdom”? (Matthew 24:14) It means that none of you have any idea what Jesus taught us to pray for in the Lord’s Prayer. The “coming” of the kingdom was second only to the sanctification of God’s name, which you also fail to acknowledge....grumbling over pronunciation as if God doesn't know his name in all languages....?
How does the kingdom “come” Ron? Tell me....
You are funny....I am told nothing that I have not thoroughly researched for myself....you yourself have a 'party line' from your own denomination that you promote. Are all Baptist’s then on the same page? (1 Cor 1:10) You know that they are not....
So, how are you any different to all the other "Christian" denominations? Our individual conviction is no indication that either one of us is correct.....all we can do is count on God to “draw” us to his truth.....because if we are not so "drawn", but have a "deluded" view of who and where we are, then only at the judgment will we know for sure. (John 6:44, 65; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)
Believing something doesn’t make it true.....and it is “few” who are on the road to life....so who can confidently assume that the other person has it all wrong? Look what happened to Jesus and his disciples....only a remnant of the natural Jews accepted him as the Christ......the rest were confident that he should die as a common criminal and even cursed themselves with his blood. (Matthew 27:25)
Confidence isn’t always the best test of accuracy.
Also, have you bothered to do this study? https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf