The Transition from Time...to Eternity.

[Timtofly]

And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer. - Revelation 10:5-6

It will be impossible to account for days in the afterlife as it is in eternity. How would we make a statement such as, “Yea! I remember the time Michael stumbled up the stairs! Hmmm… What was that? Some 1,000,000,000,000,000 days ago?”

Why would people remember bad things? You make a lousy argument.

Time will not matter. But time will always exist.

How about something that happened 70 years ago, that seemed like yesterday?

 

[ScottA]

More metaphysical gobbly goop that opposes scripture seen below

Earthly time started when God created the first day, earthly time will cease at the future second coming "Time No Longer"

Genesis 1:5KJV
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Revelation 10:5-7KJV
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

If you are going to pull things out of context and not quote my whole sentence--don't bother commenting, it makes you look foolish.

 

[Zao is life]

I find myself referring to this in many different threads where it is mostly overlooked as if not being the topic. Perhaps it's time for it to be its own topic--or rightly a part of every topic! Which is the transition from the times of this world to eternity.

Most have not realized that "rightly dividing the word of truth" means dividing those passages of scripture that speak of the times of this world, from those that speak rather of the kingdom (not of this world) and eternity...and that the transition between the two if visualized would appear like an image of warp drive time travel. But being creatures of time and this world, the very idea of inserting such a transition into the many biblical discussion here, it is completely rejected. Yet, does that very transition not await us all?

How then are any of these discussions at all relevant to God--if that eternal part that comes is rejected? Is the word of God only to be a closed circuit and separate from God as the world is separate?

On the contrary--it is not closed, but open, and yet closed by many among the church, many here.

To the contrary--of what is otherwise witnessed here daily, spiritualizing everything should not be a subject of ridicule and looked down upon, but should be considered the very thing that has been promised and waited for. And God being spirit, such things should not be passed off as "mystic", or "gnostic", etc. in name-calling as if derogatory--but as music from heaven to the ears of all who are even wanting to hear and see what the Spirit brings.

Nonetheless, the track record is rather to stone the prophets and kill those who are sent.

Is it not "on topic" to speak of the transition from time to eternity at every turn?

Surely, it should be.

Eternity existed from eternity, in Christ.

At any moment of 'time' the only time that exists in the universe at that moment is that moment. The future does not exist at this moment. Neither does the past. All human history has existed from the moment it appeared in the mind (Logos) of God. The present, the past and the future are one in Him who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

 

[ScottA]

Yes, Daniel's 70 weeks ran out of time.

Adam's punishment ran out of time.

Time itself keeps going.

No, that is not the parameters given to Daniel. It does not actually speak of 70 weeks, but is only spirit-speak, and rather refers to all of time--as it says "Seventy weeks are determined For your people"; meaning 10=all people, 7=all of creation, and "your people" meaning all the sons of Adam. The end of which times end when God takes His rest on the seventh day.

 

[ScottA]

Time still exists in eternity:

Isa_66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Rev_22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Isa 66:23 refers to the time before the end.

Rev 22:2 also refers to the times before the end, as in heaven (eternity) there is "no shadow of turning", no time.

 

[ScottA]

Eternity existed from eternity, in Christ.

At any moment of 'time' the only time that exists in the universe at that moment is that moment. The future does not exist at this moment. Neither does the past. All human history has existed from the moment it appeared in the mind (Logos) of God. The present, the past and the future are one in Him who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

Yes, time allows one to be apart from God, while time itself is in God in whom there is "no shadow of turning" (no time). God is not in time--He created it--but time is rather in God, of which He has said, "is passing away", for in time there is darkness.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, time allows one to be apart from God, while time itself is in God in whom there is "no shadow of turning" (no time). God is not in time--He created it--but time is rather in God, of which He has said, "is passing away", for in time there is darkness.

Scott your statement above is basic Christianity 101, we all know God created everything, including time

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Adventageous]

Isa 66:23 refers to the time before the end.

Rev 22:2 also refers to the times before the end, as in heaven (eternity) there is "no shadow of turning", no time.

You are self-deceived, and simply cite 'you', rather than actual scripture.

Isaiah 66:22-23 refers to the New Heavens and Earth, not "to the time before the end":

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.​

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.​

The same goes for Revelation 22:2,

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.​

Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.​

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:​

Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.​

Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.​

The texts refers to the New Heavens and Earth, with Eden resotred, for it speaks of the "throne of God and of the Lamb" and the "tree of life" which Adam and Eve had eaten from in the beginning. It states there is "no more curse". So this passage too does not refer "to the times before the end".

You even took a quote in partiality from James 1;17, and abused it, to justify your error.

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.​

The statement doesn't deal with chronology, but with character of God. It is saying that God's character never changes.

Psa 102:12 But thou, O LORD, shalt endure for ever; and thy remembrance unto all generations.​

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Psa 102:26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:​

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Psa 102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.​

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Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.​

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Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.​

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Heb_13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.​

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You are teaching an error based upon your own faulty reasoning.

 

[ScottA]

You are self-deceived, and simply cite 'you', rather than actual scripture.

Isaiah 66:22-23 refers to the New Heavens and Earth, not "to the time before the end":

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.​

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.​

The same goes for Revelation 22:2,

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.​

Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.​

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:​

Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.​

Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.​

The texts refers to the New Heavens and Earth, with Eden resotred, for it speaks of the "throne of God and of the Lamb" and the "tree of life" which Adam and Eve had eaten from in the beginning. It states there is "no more curse". So this passage too does not refer "to the times before the end".

You even took a quote in partiality from James 1;17, and abused it, to justify your error.

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.​

The statement doesn't deal with chronology, but with character of God. It is saying that God's character never changes.

Psa 102:12 But thou, O LORD, shalt endure for ever; and thy remembrance unto all generations.​

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Psa 102:26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:​

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Psa 102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.​

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Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.​

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Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.​

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Heb_13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.​

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You are teaching an error based upon your own faulty reasoning.

You call names, then error as He says "the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make" (future tense--just as I said).

 

[rockytopva]

Dottie Rambo wrote a beautiful song on eternity...

Verse 1
I’M GONNA REST BESIDE THE RIVER
WHERE THE SHADOWS NEVER FALL
AND THE CLOUDS WILL NEVER HIDE THE LIGHT OF DAY
FOR THE LAMB WILL LIGHT THE CITY
AND THE EVENING NEVER COMES
I’M GONNA REST BESIDE THE RIVER FOR A DAY
Chorus
JUST FOR A DAY AND A DAY WILL LAST FOREVER
AND THE DARKNESS OF THE GLOOMY NIGHT
WILL NEVER FALL AGAIN
I’LL SIT QUIETLY BY THE STREAM OF LIFE
WHERE TIME CAN’T SLIP AWAY
I’M GONNA REST BESIDE THE RIVER JUST FOR A DAY
Verse 2
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH MOTHER
‘BOUT THE HAPPY DAYS OF OLD
BUT TIME WILL NEVER LET ME LINGER LONG
I SEE HER DAYS SWIFTLY PASSING
TOMORROW SHE MAY BE GONE
WE’RE GONNA TALK BESIDE THE RIVER WHEN WE GET HOME

 

[Adventageous]

You call names, then error as He says "the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make" (future tense--just as I said).

It is not a 'name', but a simple fact of what you are doing to yourself.

You are doing it again. Read it closely.

The future New Heavens and earth will be (future tense) created, (vs 22), then it says "AND" (vs 23), and this follows the creation of the New Heavens and Earth. Time exists continually.

You are in error and self-deceived. I am not doing it to you, you are doing it to yourself.

 

[ScottA]

It is not a 'name', but a simple fact of what you are doing to yourself.

You are doing it again. Read it closely.

The future New Heavens and earth will be (future tense) created, (vs 22), then it says "AND" (vs 23), and this follows the creation of the New Heavens and Earth. Time exists continually.

You are in error and self-deceived. I am not doing it to you, you are doing it to yourself.

Call your distain what you like, but you are without understanding and lashing out: Time has an end, eternity is without end.

 

[Adventageous]

Call your distain what you like, but you are without understanding and lashing out: Time has an end, eternity is without end.

It has nothing to do with lashing out. I am simply stating a proven fact (cited the scripture to you).

Time does not have an end. This present world has an end. There is a difference.

Eternity is simply time continued for ever.

 

[ScottA]

It has nothing to do with lashing out. I am simply stating a proven fact (cited the scripture to you).

Time does not have an end. This present world has an end. There is a difference.

Eternity is simply time continued for ever.

Quotable points here of biblical error, showing a complete lack of understanding...for the record.

 

[bbyrd009]

So no new creation at all then? There will be no New Jerusalem, no heaven, and no earth in the near future?

when you change, the world changes, i think? i could dig up the psychology if you like, but its supposed to be quite the powerful force. you get what you give away iow

 

[bbyrd009]

It has nothing to do with lashing out. I am simply stating a proven fact (cited the scripture to you).

Time does not have an end. This present world has an end. There is a difference.

Eternity is simply time continued for ever.

fwiw our translation “eternity” really comes from “aion: a space of time, an age” whereas they had a term for “forever,” namely aidios

Strong's Greek: 165. αἰών (aión) -- Age, eternity, world, forever, everlasting

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Strong's Greek: 126. ἀΐδιος (aidios) -- Eternal, everlasting

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[Timtofly]

No, that is not the parameters given to Daniel. It does not actually speak 70 weeks, but is only spirit-speak, and rather refers to all of time--as it says "Seventy weeks are determined For your people"; meaning 10=all people, 7=all of creation, and "your people" meaning all the sons of Adam. The end of which times end when God takes His rest on the seventh day.

Pretty sure it started when the decree went out from a human king. How is that the entire creation?

 

[Timtofly]

when you change, the world changes, i think? i could dig up the psychology if you like, but its supposed to be quite the powerful force. you get what you give away iow

The world never gave it to me.

The world cannot take it away.

 

[ScottA]

Pretty sure it started when the decree went out from a human king. How is that the entire creation?

Because Daniel was a son of Adam ("your people") to whom the decree first went to in the garden.

 

[Timtofly]

Because Daniel was a son of Adam ("your people") to whom the decree first went to in the garden.

Jerusalem was a restored city in the Garden of Eden? The king was from Babylon who made the decree. Babylon was on earth prior to the Flood?

Daniel was also a son of Jacob. A son of Abraham. Is this pick and choose your favorite ancestor? How do we know Daniel was not a father of millions?