Does God Love the Sinner and Hates the Sin?

[Robert Gwin]

I have no idea what you are saying here…are you trying to say one is not allowed to say “Jesus is Lord”…? That one can’t say of Jesus, “You are my Lord and my God?“

No, Robert, I do not want to speak to you about who God is through pm’s.

If you continue to speak about the diety of Jesus maam, I am going to report you. What part of rule violation don't you get? As staff member Nancy stated it is a new rule, so please respect this sites rules and regulations. If it was up to me, I would certainly allow it, but it is not up to us, rather the owner of the domain, and those whom he has used to enforce the rules.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

If you continue to speak about the diety of Jesus maam, I am going to report you. What part of rule violation don't you get? As staff member Nancy stated it is a new rule, so please respect this sites rules and regulations. If it was up to me, I would certainly allow it, but it is not up to us, rather the owner of the domain, and those whom he has used to enforce the rules.

The rule is that you cannot initiate or discuss “Jesus is not God” except in specific rooms.
You are quite allowed to say Jesus IS God and Jesus IS my Lord and my God.
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
But regarding the Son He says,Your throne, oh God, is forever and ever
Thomas called Jesus my Lord and my God.
For in Jesus all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.

 

[Robert Gwin]

The rule is that you cannot initiate or discuss “Jesus is not God” except in specific rooms.
You are quite allowed to say Jesus IS God and Jesus IS my Lord and my God.
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
But regarding the Son He says,Your throne, oh God, is forever and ever
Thomas called Jesus my Lord and my God.
For in Jesus all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.

I have reported it maam. I hope they will examine the new rule and realize that speaking about God should not be a rule violation, but I can only say the more that petitions them the better chance that it will be repealed.

Until they repeal it, I will not speak to you about it, unless you desire to speak through the inbox.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I have reported it maam. I hope they will examine the new rule and realize that speaking about God should not be a rule violation, but I can only say the more that petitions them the better chance that it will be repealed.

Until they repeal it, I will not speak to you about it, unless you desire to speak through the inbox.

You really aren’t understanding the difference between not being allowed to initiate or discuss the idea that “Jesus is not God,” and being freely allowed to initiate and discuss that Jesus IS God.

Additionally, you have now broken even another forum rule by publicly (rather than privately) discussing the staff action of banning the discussion-
Do not circumvent forum policies or publicly discuss staff actions. This means that if you are disciplined for violating forum rules, do not circumvent bans or other limitations placed on your account. If you have an issue with action(s) taken by the staff here at Christianity Board, please use the appropriate private channels to conduct your appeal or dissatisfaction.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Here is the new post now on unorthodox section that was added yesterday:

I assumed that the Policy was clear but for the sake of those who have not understood. The New Policy regarding the Trinity also includes the unorthodox section. Members who posts threads here in relation to the Trinity would incurr warning points and/or have their threads removed.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Ah…mystery solved. I see that unorthodox is not one of the three “nonChristian” sections. I assumed “unorthodox” meant “nonChristian.”
It can be discussed in the bottom three rooms. BUT, while christians may discuss there, they may not begin a thread there.
And now I need coffee. Lol.

Im sorry to anyone I gave bad information to when I said the two topics could be discussed in unorthodox.

 

[Robert Gwin]

You really aren’t understanding the difference between not being allowed to initiate or discuss the idea that “Jesus is not God,” and being freely allowed to initiate and discuss that Jesus IS God.

Additionally, you have now broken even another forum rule by publicly (rather than privately) discussing the staff action of banning the discussion-
Do not circumvent forum policies or publicly discuss staff actions. This means that if you are disciplined for violating forum rules, do not circumvent bans or other limitations placed on your account. If you have an issue with action(s) taken by the staff here at Christianity Board, please use the appropriate private channels to conduct your appeal or dissatisfaction.

I told you what Nancy stated to me maam. You are not to discuss the trinity, which states like you that Jesus is God. It is no problem on my part because being a Christian I declare the same God Jesus proclaimed Grace. Like Jesus told satan at Mat 4:10: It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to Him alone you render sacred service.

I did report you, in fact you are the only person I believe that I ever reported for rule violation, I feel a bit guilty about that, because I feel you should be able to post your viewpoints, but that is between you and the staff. So really I do offer you an apology for clicking report. I certainly do not want it to be me that contributes to religious censorship, which in all reality is a very serious crime.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I told you what Nancy stated to me maam. You are not to discuss the trinity, which states like you that Jesus is God.

Testifying and stating that Jesus is my Lord and my God is not the discussion of that doctrine. I don’t even like that doctrine and think it has error.

It is no problem on my part because being a Christian I declare the same God Jesus proclaimed Grace. Like Jesus told satan at Mat 4:10: It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to Him alone you render sacred service.

I did report you, in fact you are the only person I believe that I ever reported for rule violation, I feel a bit guilty about that, because I feel you should be able to post your viewpoints, but that is between you and the staff. So really I do offer you an apology for clicking report. I certainly do not want it to be me that contributes to religious censorship, which in all reality is a very serious crime.

You don’t have to feel guilty if you think I have broken a rule and have reported me. As far as I know, I have not broken a rule. I’ve not been told I have. No apology is necessary.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Testifying and stating that Jesus is my Lord and my God is not the discussion of that doctrine. I don’t even like that doctrine and think it has error.

You don’t have to feel guilty if you think I have broken a rule and have reported me. As far as I know, I have not broken a rule. I’ve not been told I have. No apology is necessary.

You don’t have to feel guilty if you think I have broken a rule and have reported me. As far as I know, I have not broken a rule. I’ve not been told I have. No apology is necessary.

The reason I feel guilty is because of the reason I reported it, basically vengeance. I regret it, because not only is religious censorship a crime in the US, it basically goes against God's laws as well. Jehovah forces no one to serve Him, at this time we all have the right to choose which God we worship. You no doubt love your god as much as I love mine. I certainly do not feel that it is appropriate to say you cannot represent your god, as I don't want to be told I cannot represent mine either. You and I are simply seed planters for our God, but according to the Bible, God is the one that makes it grow. So if one of us stands in the way of the other to practice our faith, then we are basically asking God to but out like Adam and Eve did when they ate of the fruit.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You hear it all the time, people saying “God Loves You” to sinners and the cliché “God loves the sinner and hates the sin” but is it supported by the Bible?

Yes, WE are commanded to “love our enemies” (Matt 5:44 & others), so WE should be loving towards sinners, but we read in Psalms 5:5 that God “hatest all workers of iniquity” (that’s the sinners, right?)

Romans 5:8 says that “while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” Which implies he loves sinners, but regardless of how you believe salvation works, God knows who’s going to be saved. Jesus himself said “I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me.” (John 17:9) so it appears he loves those to be saved but not the unrepentant sinners.

John 3:16 says “For God so loved the world” but the “so” in not like you might see in “so much” magnifying the degree, but rather if you said “hold the brush so”, showing the way indicated. It is best translated in the Christian Standard Bible “For God loved the world in this way: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life”.

Romans 9:13 God says he loved Jacob (Saved?) but hated Esau (unsaved?).

So getting back to Psalms 5:5 God “hatest all workers of iniquity” – Are we lying to sinners when we say “God loves you?”

The saying is not accurate. With respect to God, the Bible indicates what God does, not what he feels about it. With respect to God, love is ALWAYS an action. If God loves you, he works for your good; if God hates you, he works against you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Actually sir, I know you don't have a Watchtower, but you seem to be fixated with mine. Yes Jehovah provides protection for His people. He feeds us extremely well, as you perhaps have observed in conversations with His people. Of course we could expect nothing less could we?

I am fixated with yours because the organization which prints it has elevated it to the level of the bible! Because you cannot think a biblical thought unless the Watchtower has defined it for you.

Any disagreeing with the Watchtower is disfellowshippable and that means you would lose you r salvation.

They actr like God in deciding who can and cannot remain saved!

They are far more dangerous than the RCC of the dark ages. which they have used as a model to tyrannize people.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I am fixated with yours because the organization which prints it has elevated it to the level of the bible! Because you cannot think a biblical thought unless the Watchtower has defined it for you.

Any disagreeing with the Watchtower is disfellowshippable and that means you would lose you r salvation.

They actr like God in deciding who can and cannot remain saved!

They are far more dangerous than the RCC of the dark ages. which they have used as a model to tyrannize people.

Many people are fixated with it sir, and yes God has trained us well through His organization, as you can see the difference between just you and I right here in our posts Ron.

Since you brought up disfellowshipping, I gather you disagree with the policy, may I ask why? I will point blank state to you, that if the elders disfellowship someone, no matter what they believe, that has nothing to do with the individuals eternal judgment. They are humans, and although they are anointed for that service, they do not have the actual truth of the offense. God knows. Take the prime example, Jesus was tried and convicted by the highest authority of God at the time, the Sanhedrin the supreme court assigned over God's people, by God. They tried, convicted, and got Jesus executed. Was their decision from God? Of course not.

Those who receive salvation are judged individually sir, and those who do the will of Jehovah, are the ones who will inherit the Kingdom of God. Jesus is the judge, not the earthly shepherds.

So that being said, are you against disfellowshipping Ron?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Many people are fixated with it sir, and yes God has trained us well through His organization, as you can see the difference between just you and I right here in our posts Ron.

Since you brought up disfellowshipping, I gather you disagree with the policy, may I ask why? I will point blank state to you, that if the elders disfellowship someone, no matter what they believe, that has nothing to do with the individuals eternal judgment. They are humans, and although they are anointed for that service, they do not have the actual truth of the offense. God knows. Take the prime example, Jesus was tried and convicted by the highest authority of God at the time, the Sanhedrin the supreme court assigned over God's people, by God. They tried, convicted, and got Jesus executed. Was their decision from God? Of course not.

Those who receive salvation are judged individually sir, and those who do the will of Jehovah, are the ones who will inherit the Kingdom of God. Jesus is the judge, not the earthly shepherds.

So that being said, are you against disfellowshipping Ron?

I guess I know more about the organization you belong to than you.

Yes you have been trained well, too bad most of it is false doctrine.

And according to the Watchtowers own words- to be disfellowshipped is to be cast into darkness. One cannot be saved if they are not connected to Gods sole channel of communication, Gods prophet, Gods prophet like organization etc.etc according ot eh Watchtower.

You need to go and read your organizations own declarations in the Watchtower and have not repented of.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I guess I know more about the organization you belong to than you.

Yes you have been trained well, too bad most of it is false doctrine.

And according to the Watchtowers own words- to be disfellowshipped is to be cast into darkness. One cannot be saved if they are not connected to Gods sole channel of communication, Gods prophet, Gods prophet like organization etc.etc according ot eh Watchtower.

You need to go and read your organizations own declarations in the Watchtower and have not repented of.

Why did you not answer my question sir?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why did you not answer my question sir?

PLease repeat it then . I am sorry I did not.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

the Sanhedrin the supreme court assigned over God's people, by God. They tried, convicted, and got Jesus executed. Was their decision from God? Of course not.

Yes, this is Very Lacking in Scriptural knowledge. Yes, God Does Love the sinner,
and HATES All sin! That's why He Made HIS Decision!! What Saith The Scriptures?

Acts 2:

22 "...Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God...
23 ...Him, Being Delivered By The Determinate Counsel And Foreknowledge Of God,
ye have taken, and by wicked hands have Crucified and Slain:"

[Shedding God's Own BLOOD! Acts 20:28!!]

Care to change your "of course NOT," humble yourself?, And receive God's:

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!

And, Of course, WE, After this Scriptural understanding, Will Continue to Pray for you, as God Commands us to do:

1Ti_2:1 "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;" (including @Robert Gwin)

1Ti_2:4 "Who will have all men to Be Saved, and to come unto the knowledge of The Truth."
[In Love!] found in these 'links' = Grace, Peace, And JOY, and Rightly Divided (+ I and II)!
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓
From all religions, and Into An Everlasting Relationship With God:

"Wherefore Come Out From among them, and be ye separate, Saith The LORD,
and touch not the Unclean thing; And I Will Receive you, And will be a Father unto
you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, Saith The LORD Almighty."
(2Co 6:17-18)

If you do not desire to obey, then WE have only one Command Left to obey God!:

Rom 16:17 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and
offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."

good day, sir...

 

[Robert Gwin]

PLease repeat it then . I am sorry I did not.

are you against disfellowshipping Ron?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yes, this is Very Lacking in Scriptural knowledge. Yes, God Does Love the sinner,
and HATES All sin! That's why He Made HIS Decision!! What Saith The Scriptures?

Acts 2:

22 "...Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God...
23 ...Him, Being Delivered By The Determinate Counsel And Foreknowledge Of God,
ye have taken, and by wicked hands have Crucified and Slain:"

[Shedding God's Own BLOOD! Acts 20:28!!]

Care to change your "of course NOT," humble yourself?, And receive God's:

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!

And, Of course, WE, After this Scriptural understanding, Will Continue to Pray for you, as God Commands us to do:

1Ti_2:1 "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;" (including @Robert Gwin)

1Ti_2:4 "Who will have all men to Be Saved, and to come unto the knowledge of The Truth."
[In Love!] found in these 'links' = Grace, Peace, And JOY, and Rightly Divided (+ I and II)!
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓
From all religions, and Into An Everlasting Relationship With God:

"Wherefore Come Out From among them, and be ye separate, Saith The LORD,
and touch not the Unclean thing; And I Will Receive you, And will be a Father unto
you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, Saith The LORD Almighty."
(2Co 6:17-18)

If you do not desire to obey, then WE have only one Command Left to obey God!:

Rom 16:17 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and
offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."

good day, sir...

(Hebrews 4:14-15) . . .we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold onto [our] confessing of [him]. 15 For we have as high priest, not one who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tested in all respects like ourselves, but without sin.. . .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not in the least. But for reasons unlike most of the reasons the Watchtower lists people can be disfellowshipped for. and also probably for the reason why they disfellowship though that is just a guess.

 

[MatthewG]

From what I understand sin is breaking the torah or the law, smashing it into pieces, and everyone has fallen short of that standard. Gentiles were never given the Law ( Romans 2:12-29 ), but they were taught about the ways of the Jewish culture, and how Jesus Christ changed everything which allows people to be set free of those laws ( Romans 5 - 8 )that condemned by instead of living by those standards the standards of living are of faith which is not condemning for those in Christ Jesus, trusting and relying on God. Asking God to help you in your life by the spirit ( Luke 11:13 ) and having love towards God and towards others. Love is paramount ( 1 Corinthians 13:1-11 ) in living by faith ( Hebrews 11:1-6 ) walking in the spirit ( Galatians 5:16-18 ), being sons or daughters of God ( Romans 8:14 ), in which one loves God and loves others ( 1 John 3:16-20 ) by the life giving spirit which is from the Father sent by Jesus ( John 15:26 ). This spirit that is given is to given to help change our hearts ( Ezekiel 36:26; Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 10:16 ), by allowing God to work in and through us ( Philippians 2:13 ) into new creations in Christ ( 2 Corinthians 5:17 )that show love to God and others ( Luke 10:25-37 ), and they learn they are to die to the old man ( Romans 6:1-23 ), and to live to the new ways that are all new spiritual ways through prayers ( Philippians 4:5-7 ), and asking God to help you in your life by asking to help you spiritually in your heart ( Matthew 7:7-12), and knocking, and seeking out him, by reading your bible. Jesus Christ, whom was the Son of God said that the words that was spoken from with-in are spirit and life ( John 6:63 ); and that the flesh profits nothing. (I believe this is Meaning the spiritual ways are primary lived by even as we live in this flesh and enjoy our enjoyments whatever they may be (I could be wrong)).

The last thing that I would like to mention is When Jesus whom is the Lord over all things, said this while he was living and standing alive speaking with the Samaritan women which I believe was forbidden perhaps by the traditions of man said this to her.

John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

He says, But the hour comes, and now is.

When the true worshippers shall worship the Father.

The true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit.

In Spirit and in truth.

The Father seeks for such worshippers to do these things. To worship the Father in spirit and in truth by and through the Lord Yeshua, the Son of God.

May God give the increase, thank you for reading.