What is satan's strategy of Armeggeden?

[ScottA]

You're small changes in the words enable you to go off from what the Bible means to something else. The Bible says He brings us to God while on earth. We are not taken to God in heaven. Reconciling us to God on earth spiritually is the gospel message on earth. Not taking us already to God in heaven. The heavenly places we now sit in is within His kingdom, which is now within our own hearts on earth. We will not sit in those thrones of heaven until we are bodily saved in the first resurrection. The Spirit of Christ is the heavenly place wherever He is, whether in heaven or on earth. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. The kingdom of God is now on earth within the purified hearts of His people and can be seen through our converted manner of life and the miracles of healings, etc...in the name of Jesus.

What you are saying is that there are Christians such as yourself who have been killed physically like Jesus on the cross and been 'taken to' God in heaven. I am not mocking here because you seem to be teaching it. Are you now as one of the elders sitting in the throneroom? Or are you now as one of the killed saints at the altar waiting for the rest of us to be killed likewise? Or are we supposed to also wake up and realize 'in our own time' like you, that we've been physically killed already and taken to God in heaven?

By saying you have been put to death in the flesh like Jesus, I believe you do one of two things. That Jesus did not really die physically on the cross but only spiritually, because you say you both have died the same death in the flesh, and yet you have only spiritually died and not really physically. Or you have died like Him physically and so have resurrected like Him and are taken to God with Him. Sort of like the man-child in Rev 11.

You also seem to be preaching Calvin prechosen and presaved in Christ before coming into the world. We are preknown by God's omniscience but not prechosen and saved as by fates decreed of God. We all must be saved to live with God forever, but no one must be saved because God fated him to it by name from the foundation of the world. He is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world by prophecy if man sinned, but His book if life is not written from the foundation of the world. Wea re only written in His book when we do choose Him rather than the devil.

Communication is a difficult thing. I did not say or mean, not "while on earth." Indeed, "we who are alive and remain" are "on earth" and "remain"--not until we "are bodily saved", for we are already His body and saved--but rather until dust "returns to dust, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." And I am not making "small changes in the words", but quoting and explaining them.

And no, I am not saying there are a select number of "Christians such as myself who have been killed physically like Jesus on the cross and been taken to God in heaven." But rather just what you have also said of Jesus bringing the kingdom of God to us on earth--except, the timing is not exactly as most believe, but is rather meant in two ways: 1) That the actual timing, like the Lamb slain, was rather "before the foundation of the world"; and 2) Only perceived from the "created" perspective of this world, "each one in his own order." Which I would not bother to point out or elaborate upon, except that it is the key to the promise of "all truth" by the Holy Spirit and the fulfillment of "the sounding of the seventh angel." Which is not to say that "Jesus did not die physically on the cross but only spiritually"--but rather to point out that what is "physical" is mere "dust" and an "image" "created"--yes, by the spiritual power of God, for revelation. So, yes spiritual, but no I have not said that it was "not physical", but have properly defined what "physical" actually is and always has been according to God rather than men.

Calvin like Paul, was a stone along the path, building upon the foundation that was laid, speaking broken language to those with one foot on the land and the other on the sea, that men might begin to understand. Neither was it wrong for Jesus to say "before the foundation of the world" while in the world, for this is the way it is written, that the things of God which are without chronology of time, should be revealed to "each in his own order."

 

[Always Believing]

Communication is a difficult thing. I did not say or mean, not "while on earth." Indeed, "we who are alive and remain" are "on earth" and "remain"--not until we "are bodily saved", for we are already His body and saved--

Spiritually only. We are not yet saved bodily with resurrected flesh and bones. You're teaching suggests that we do have His resurrected bones on earth as He did after His resurrection for 40 days.

You teach that by three things:
1. You say we have physically died in the flesh, even as He was put to death in the flesh on the cross.
2. You say we are now physically His resurrected body of immortal flesh and bones on earth.
3. You say His 40 days was symbolic of our lifetimes remaining on earth today.
4. You speak of our own ascension into heaven as being already taken to God in heaven.

If I have any part wrong, just let me know. I don't want to put words in your mouth. The only real objection is saying we are put to death in the flesh and so killed physically like Jesus on the cross, rather than being dead to living sinfully in the flesh.

And I am not making "small changes in the words", but quoting and explaining them.

The major small change includes being already 'taken to God', rather than being brought to God. Your words imply already ascended to God in heaven, while the Bible only says we are reconciled to God spiritually on earth.

And no, I am not saying there are a select number of "Christians such as myself who have been killed physically like Jesus on the cross and been taken to God in heaven."

I accept your rejection of teaching the resurrection is past.

But rather just what you have also said of Jesus bringing the kingdom of God to us on earth--except, the timing is not exactly as most believe, but is rather meant in two ways: 1) That the actual timing, like the Lamb slain, was rather "before the foundation of the world"; and 2) Only perceived from the "created" perspective of this world, "each one in his own order." Which I would not bother to point out or elaborate upon, except that it is the key to the promise of "all truth" by the Holy Spirit and the fulfillment of "the sounding of the seventh angel." Which is not to say that "Jesus did not die physically on the cross but only spiritually"--but rather to point out that what is "physical" is mere "dust" and an "image" "created"--yes, by the spiritual power of God, for revelation. So, yes spiritual, but no I have not said that it was "not physical", but have properly defined what "physical" actually is and always has been according to God rather than men.

I can only say you're manner of writing and teaching is confusing. Ad so I must cling to certain things you have plainly said, which I have explained as being at least in appearance a teaching of already being physically dead and resurrected on earth with the immortal flesh and bones of Jesus Christ.

That will not be the case until after His return and our bodily resurrection to meet with Him in the air, and then reign with Him on earth for a thousand years.

So long as we feel healthy and strong, we can act like we're already there, but our mortal bodies will of course let us down eventually. :)
And living like holy without blame like we're already in heaven is best of all still here on earth. And if you are living that way without blame spiritually and bodily, then your teaching has plenty of good to it.

Calvin like Paul, was a stone along the path, building upon the foundation that was laid, speaking broken language to those with one foot on the land and the other on the sea, that men might begin to understand. Neither was it wrong for Jesus to say "before the foundation of the world" while in the world, for this is the way it is written, that the things of God which are without chronology of time, should be revealed to "each in his own order."

Calvin was building some of his own erroneous stone upon the foundation Paul lays in Scripture. He did what Paul forbids and tries to lay his our own foundation of another gospel message.

Preknown is true, but not prechosen and determined and fated for salvation. Christ can be called the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, because He could be trusted to become that slain Lamb once He came in the flesh. But no man is called the saint saved from the foundation of the world, because no man can be so trusted by prophesy of God to say so. It must wait to be seen who is faithfully enduring unto the end like Jesus did. The Word has seen all such souls of men in the end, whether to shame or to life, but has never chosen and fated any soul to be one or the other.

Calvin made up a really messed up doctrine that can make the faith of God a hypocritical laughingstock, and I think it's all because he was trying to figure out with his own mind why any soul would refuse Jesus unto death and hell. If he had only kept to the Bible, then he would have seen there is no answer to that, because God Himself can't answer that question.

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

 

[ScottA]

Spiritually only. We are not yet saved bodily with resurrected flesh and bones. You're teaching suggests that we do have His resurrected bones on earth as He did after His resurrection for 40 days.

You teach that by three things:
1. You say we have physically died in the flesh, even as He was put to death in the flesh on the cross.
2. You say we are now physically His resurrected body of immortal flesh and bones on earth.
3. You say His 40 days was symbolic of our lifetimes remaining on earth today.
4. You speak of our own ascension into heaven as being already taken to God in heaven.

If I have any part wrong, just let me know. I don't want to put words in your mouth. The only real objection is saying we are put to death in the flesh and so killed physically like Jesus on the cross, rather than being dead to living sinfully in the flesh.

We're repeating ourselves--me explaining, and you not understanding what I am actually teaching, and also stating what you instead believe.

I am not teaching "that we do have His resurrected bones on earth as He did after His resurrection for 40 days", but rather that His 40 day between His resurrection and ascension was a merely a foreshadowing of how we follow Him from being dead to sin, to leaving this world.

I am also not teaching anything about a "body of immortal flesh and bones on earth", for there is no such thing (as I said). But rather that He was immortal during the 40 days between His resurrection and His ascension--because He is God. And that we are not immortal during our own time from being dead to sin until leaving this world, because we are not God as He was and is.

What I was trying to convey about what "already" is regarding "our own ascension into heaven", is that we are prone to look at all these things as we experience them in time, while being matters of God and not [actually] matters of this world, the correct time for all things is according to Christ in God where time is not viewed as such.

Thanks for your consideration!

 

[ScottA]

I can only say you're manner of writing and teaching is confusing. Ad so I must cling to certain things you have plainly said, which I have explained as being at least in appearance a teaching of already being physically dead and resurrected on earth with the immortal flesh and bones of Jesus Christ.

That will not be the case until after His return and our bodily resurrection to meet with Him in the air, and then reign with Him on earth for a thousand years.

So long as we feel healthy and strong, we can act like we're already there, but our mortal bodies will of course let us down eventually. :)
And living like holy without blame like we're already in heaven is best of all still here on earth. And if you are living that way without blame spiritually and bodily, then your teaching has plenty of good to it.

Perhaps I have answered this already, but I should say that what I am saying is only confusing when viewed through the lens of these many times, when "all truth" is only clear when they are not, but are viewed from the perspective of God in whom there is "no shadow of turning" (no evening or morning, or time).

As for the health or decline of our mortal bodies--we decrease, but He increases...which is how we ought to live knowing that just as we "were" crucified with Him, in spite of our "remaining" in the world, "It is finished" with us.

 

[ScottA]

Calvin was building some of his own erroneous stone upon the foundation Paul lays in Scripture. He did what Paul forbids and tries to lay his our own foundation of another gospel message.

Preknown is true, but not prechosen and determined and fated for salvation. Christ can be called the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, because He could be trusted to become that slain Lamb once He came in the flesh. But no man is called the saint saved from the foundation of the world, because no man can be so trusted by prophesy of God to say so. It must wait to be seen who is faithfully enduring unto the end like Jesus did. The Word has seen all such souls of men in the end, whether to shame or to life, but has never chosen and fated any soul to be one or the other.

Calvin made up a really messed up doctrine that can make the faith of God a hypocritical laughingstock, and I think it's all because he was trying to figure out with his own mind why any soul would refuse Jesus unto death and hell. If he had only kept to the Bible, then he would have seen there is no answer to that, because God Himself can't answer that question.

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Again, much of that is through the lens of this world of times, rather than through the lens of always being "the same" as it is with God. The point is--there [actually] is no "pre" anything. Thus, "predestination" or "foreknowledge" are simply half-step terms as a leg-up on understanding what is revealed over time, actually not occurring in time at all, but is rather only revealed in time. It is in that reality of God that all things of God occur--not "occurred, not "will occur", but simply "are" just as it is with Him who says, "I am" (not "I was" or "will be"), but simply "I am."

As I said, this is the key to the knowledge of "all truth" as promised.

 

[Always Believing]

His 40 day between His resurrection and ascension was a merely a foreshadowing of how we follow Him from being dead to sin, to leaving this world.

Fair enough. This sounds much better. So long as we're not already arrived with His immortal flesh and bones.

I am also not teaching anything about a "body of immortal flesh and bones on earth", for there is no such thing (as I said).

This is not fair enough, since the resurrection includes having immortal flesh and bones on this earth during His future reign. His 40 days is how he and we will be for a thousand years on earth.

But rather that He was immortal during the 40 days between His resurrection and His ascension--because He is God. And that we are not immortal during our own time from being dead to sin until leaving this world, because we are not God as He was and is.

True. But we will be in the likeness of His resurrection when we are resurrected ourselves to be with Him in the air and then on earth for during His millennial reign.

What I was trying to convey about what "already" is regarding "our own ascension into heaven", is that we are prone to look at all these things as we experience them in time, while being matters of God and not [actually] matters of this world, the correct time for all things is according to Christ in God where time is not viewed as such.

This sounds good too. We are to be now as He is always in righteous and holy living, though not yet in immortal bodies. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Thanks for your consideration!

My pleasure!

 

[Always Believing]

Perhaps I have answered this already, but I should say that what I am saying is only confusing when viewed through the lens of these many times, when "all truth" is only clear when they are not, but are viewed from the perspective of God in whom there is "no shadow of turning" (no evening or morning, or time).

No shadow of turning is faithfulness at all times, not there is no time. It's not possible to be faithful without time but only timelessly. I'm just quibbling with you now. It's no big deal anymore. :)

As for the health or decline of our mortal bodies--we decrease, but He increases...

Once again you are mistakenly mixing spiritual with physical. Our own will must decrease so that His will increases and is done. Our bodies heading to the grave has nothing to do with it other than trials of the flesh. However, you are correct that as our bodies get closer to the grave, we ought be even more looking to being in His presence and then being resurrected with the rest of the dead in Christ. Christians in the prime of their youth tend not to look for that as much as we Christians in old worn out bodies.

which is how we ought to live knowing that just as we "were" crucified with Him, in spite of our "remaining" in the world, "It is finished" with us.

True. Sinning ought be finished with us in this life, even as it will be in the resurrection to come.

 

[Always Believing]

Again, much of that is through the lens of this world of times, rather than through the lens of always being "the same" as it is with God. The point is--there [actually] is no "pre" anything. Thus, "predestination" or "foreknowledge" are simply half-step terms as a leg-up on understanding what is revealed over time, actually not occurring in time at all, but is rather only revealed in time. It is in that reality of God that all things of God occur--not "occurred, not "will occur", but simply "are" just as it is with Him who says, "I am" (not "I was" or "will be"), but simply "I am."

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

There will always be time so long as there is creation of God, and this is prophecy that there will always be time with Him and His creation on this earth and in the new heaven and earth.

We are to be faithful even as He is faithful at all times without any changing from being as He is at all times. Our time with Him is as if there were no other time without Him, but it is still time with Him. A day with Him is as a thousand years and a thousand years with Him is just as fresh and true and alive as day one.

As I said, this is the key to the knowledge of "all truth" as promised.

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

 

[ScottA]

This is not fair enough, since the resurrection includes having immortal flesh and bones on this earth during His future reign. His 40 days is how he and we will be for a thousand years on earth.

That is certainly how it has been believed and taught by many, but without understanding. It would appear that those who believe this are taking the foreshadowing of what is spiritual as literal and in the flesh, just as many also substitute water baptism for baptism by the Holy Spirit.

But no, those things are foreshadowings, for what is born of the spirit is not fulfilled in the flesh, but in the spirit. The man of flesh is only an "image" of what is true.

 

[ScottA]

True. But we will be in the likeness of His resurrection when we are resurrected ourselves to be with Him in the air and then on earth for during His millennial reign.

The "likeness" (or "like manner") is a true statement--but not as it has mostly been believed. It is not true that we too take on immortal flesh as it would appear, but rather that it is "without observation" and that His return is as the "dove lighting and remaining" on His own body, which is now the church.

 

[ScottA]

Once again you are mistakenly mixing spiritual with physical. Our own will must decrease so that His will increases and is done. Our bodies heading to the grave has nothing to do with it other than trials of the flesh. However, you are correct that as our bodies get closer to the grave, we ought be even more looking to being in His presence and then being resurrected with the rest of the dead in Christ. Christians in the prime of their youth tend not to look for that as much as we Christians in old worn out bodies.

I was referring to the fact that it is no longer we "who live, but Christ who lives in me." "We decrease, but He increases."

 

[ScottA]

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

There will always be time so long as there is creation of God, and this is prophecy that there will always be time with Him and His creation on this earth and in the new heaven and earth.

We are to be faithful even as He is faithful at all times without any changing from being as He is at all times. Our time with Him is as if there were no other time without Him, but it is still time with Him. A day with Him is as a thousand years and a thousand years with Him is just as fresh and true and alive as day one.

No, but time is "created" while God is not...therefore there is no time with God, and only time in the created world. Which is not forever or always remaining, but is "passing away." "Then comes the end."

Meanwhile, those terms and sayings that would perhaps suggest that time remains, are as I said: Half-steps in understanding--middle school terms to help us in our transitioning back to God.

 

[Always Believing]

That is certainly how it has been believed and taught by many, but without understanding. It would appear that those who believe this are taking the foreshadowing of what is spiritual as literal and in the flesh, just as many also substitute water baptism for baptism by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus was not foreshadwoing anything when He was walking with His disciple in resurrected immortal flesh and bones on earth.

Water Baptism doesn't foreshadow anything either, but is an outward confession before others of what has already occured inwardly by the Spirit through faith.

But no, those things are foreshadowings, for what is born of the spirit is not fulfilled in the flesh, but in the spirit.

Not fulfilled in mortal flesh and blood, but only in changed immortal flesh and bone. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Immortal flesh and bone does inherit the everlasting kingdom of God just as the man Christ Jesus already has.

The man of flesh is only an "image" of what is true.

We men and women of flesh and blood are not an image of anything. What we do with it is either good and true, or evil and false. Our soul and spirit are created in the image of God who is Spirit. Jesus Christ came in the image and likeness of men with the same flesh and blood as we have.

I don't subscribe to your apparent teaching that life in this world is not real. It can be really messed up, but is entirely real. And life in this world for men and women is all importantly real, since what we believe and do in this life determines the eternal future of our souls.

Are you saying that continued life in this world is not real for saved believers, so that what we do in this life of flesh and blood no longer matters in the judgment of God? Is that what this is all about with your teaching of this life being only an image of something and not really true?

 

[Always Believing]

The "likeness" (or "like manner") is a true statement--but not as it has mostly been believed. It is not true that we too take on immortal flesh as it would appear,

I believe it is. This mortal flesh and blood will be changed and put on immortal flesh and bones. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

This mortal is our mortal flesh and blood, and that immortality is our immortal flesh and bones. The Bible cannot make it any clearer than what it says, so that we will be as recognizable to others that knew us, as was Jesus to His disciples. What's false is an invisible change and rising rapture in a moment of time. The verses say nothing of invisible, but of incorruptible. And it's the change that is spoken of in a moment, not the rising with clouds. The rapture is the resurrection and immortal changing only. Not the ascension. We will all be changed the same as Jesus rising from the grave first, and then ascending in a cloud 40 days later. That is the full likeness of His resurrection and ascension that 1 Cor 15, and 1 Thess 4 teaches.

but rather that it is "without observation"

The two witnesses will be observed in a moment standing on their new immortal feet. It will be the same with all the resurrected and changed immortal believers on earth at the same moment of time, before we all ascend to meet the Lord in the air. Those two witnesses are two prophetic and ministerial believers. They do not stand for the whole church, but the whole church will stand with them from around the whole world with immortality on earth, and will ascend with them with clouds in sight of all unbelievers on earth.

I believe Rev 11 shows the first resurrection of all believers dead in Christ and those alive and remaining, that will be seen of all unbelievers on earth ascending to meet with the Lord in the air with clouds. We will do so with immortal bodies, the same as Jesus did in sight of believers only.

and that His return is as the "dove lighting and remaining" on His own body, which is now the church.

Perhaps in the air, but not on the ground. We are now His body spiritually on earth with mortal flesh and blood and we will then be immortally physical with His body in the air. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

We will ever be with the Lord immortally in resurrected flesh and bones, first in the air for a short season, then on the earth for at least a thousand years, and then on the new earth forever.

 

[Always Believing]

I was referring to the fact that it is no longer we "who live, but Christ who lives in me." "We decrease, but He increases."

I know, and I do love you brother and appreciate your intelligence, but in certain areas of the Bible you just put things wrong. If you would stop intermixing eternal spiritual things with mortal flesh and blood, then you'd be perfect. The only way our spiritual selves intermix with our mortal bodies, is how we live in them. We have not died in the flesh as Jesus did on the cross, and we do not decrease physically that He can increase spiritually with us.

This makes people think you are teaching we have already died physically and are now sort of already resurrecting physically. We are being changed constantly into His righteous image as we believe and obey Him, and our lives show it, and though our bodies benefit from godly living, we are not at all gradually transforming or changing progressively into immortal flesh and bones. That will be in a single instant of time all at once when He comes again. And we will still be just as recognizable by all that knew us on earth, even as Jesus was by His disciples.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus was not foreshadwoing anything when He was walking with His disciple in resurrected immortal flesh and bones on earth.

Water Baptism doesn't foreshadow anything either, but is an outward confession before others of what has already occured inwardly by the Spirit through faith.

I can only tell you the truth. Whether you believe it or reject it, is up to you.

But, no, water baptism was first done by John the Baptist, and was indeed a foreshadowing of Jesus' baptism with the Holy Spirit. We continue the tradition.

 

[Always Believing]

I can only tell you the truth.

As you see it. As I said, you have much good teaching about spiritual things, but when you apply it to the physical body on earth then you're playing around with saying the resurrection is past already. I know you're not teaching that bodily, because you say you're not, but you appear to teach it by talking about us dying in the flesh as Jesus did on the cross, and now physically being His immortal flesh and bones for 40 days or longer.

But, no, water baptism was first done by John the Baptist, and was indeed a foreshadowing of Jesus' baptism with the Holy Spirit. We continue the tradition.

True, because Jesus commands us to. It's one of those Christian traditions ordained by the NT that Paul speaks of, including communion with bread and wine.Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. It's the kind of faithful acts that are purposely used for being part of the fellowship and churches of God.

 

[ScottA]

I believe it is. This mortal flesh and blood will be changed and put on immortal flesh and bones. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

This mortal is our mortal flesh and blood, and that immortality is our immortal flesh and bones. The Bible cannot make it any clearer than what it says, so that we will be as recognizable to others that knew us, as was Jesus to His disciples. What's false is an invisible change and rising rapture in a moment of time. The verses say nothing of invisible, but of incorruptible. And it's the change that is spoken of in a moment, not the rising with clouds. The rapture is the resurrection and immortal changing only. Not the ascension. We will all be changed the same as Jesus rising from the grave first, and then ascending in a cloud 40 days later. That is the full likeness of His resurrection and ascension that 1 Cor 15, and 1 Thess 4 teaches.

Those are the word, but they do not mean what they say literarily, but spiritually.

As for being "invisible", Paul didn't have to say it, Jesus did:

John 3:8​

The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”​

 

[ScottA]

We men and women of flesh and blood are not an image of anything. What we do with it is either good and true, or evil and false. Our soul and spirit are created in the image of God who is Spirit. Jesus Christ came in the image and likeness of men with the same flesh and blood as we have.

I don't subscribe to your apparent teaching that life in this world is not real. It can be really messed up, but is entirely real. And life in this world for men and women is all importantly real, since what we believe and do in this life determines the eternal future of our souls.

Are you saying that continued life in this world is not real for saved believers, so that what we do in this life of flesh and blood no longer matters in the judgment of God? Is that what this is all about with your teaching of this life being only an image of something and not really true?

I suppose this is a good place to stop--as it is written that God created man "in His own image."

It is evident that you are in no position to comment on the truth. If you have questions, I am happy to discuss them...but entertaining folly, no.

 

[ScottA]

As you see it. As I said, you have much good teaching about spiritual things, but when you apply it to the physical body on earth then you're playing around with saying the resurrection is past already. I know you're not teaching that bodily, because you say you're not, but you appear to teach it by talking about us dying in the flesh as Jesus did on the cross, and now physically being His immortal flesh and bones for 40 days or longer.

Not as I see it, and neither did I indicate that the resurrection is past already. That is however, an age old misunderstanding that should now be taught correctly:

The resurrection of Christ in which we who are His "were" (past tense) also crucified, indeed has passed. But as Paul explained, it is not past or future, "but each one in his own order."​

Paul also talked about dying to the flesh, and yes, I do as well.