If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

[Wrangler]

That's how @I.O.U is. You might be wasting your time, time that could be used for other people who come here. I.O.U seems to crave attention (He's probably narcissistic)

Just to be clear; you are on a religious forum but don’t want to talk about your religious beliefs?

 

[Wrangler]

You pick a side because you’re too afraid to stand on your own, independent of any “side”.

You don’t even recognize the existence of good and evil. I can only imagine what a shallow life that is.

 

[Romanov2488]

LOL, I like the humor better. Try some more of that instead of burning down the forums.

Sounds like something you should also be telling others. Or do you lack the capacity to think for yourself and instead roll along with “groupthink” where you’re unable to stand up against your own side?

 

[Charlie24]

Sounds like something you should also be telling others. Or do you lack the capacity to think for yourself and instead roll along with “groupthink” where you’re unable to stand up against your own side?

Yes, I'm a self-proclaimed coward, can't you tell?

 

[I.O.U]

Just to be clear; you are on a religious forum but don’t want to talk about your religious beliefs?

I don't hold to any religious beliefs that there are moral absolutes. I think more along the lines of ethical standards, which are based around what I am in nature. Being apart of the evolutionarily process is a very big component of how I should form my standards (Adaption, change, survival, growth) are important factors to take in account when I make ethical decisions.

 

[Romanov2488]

You don’t even recognize the existence of good and evil. I can only imagine what a shallow life that is.

It’s not shallow at all actually, it’s actually a lot deeper than being stuck on the periphery like a ping pong ball getting hit back and forth between “good” and “bad”.

I don't hold to any religious beliefs that there are moral absolutes. I think more along the lines of ethical standards, which are based around what I am in nature. Being apart of the evolutionarily process is a very big component of how I should form my standards (Adaption, change, survival, growth) are important factors to take in account when I make ethical decisions.

You’re speaking with Wrangler, a simpleton who sees reality through absolutes. You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.

 

[Romanov2488]

Yes, I'm a self-proclaimed coward, can't you tell?

God was able to die. Then he became God again.

 

[Wrangler]

I don't hold to any religious beliefs that there are moral absolutes. I think more along the lines of ethical standards, which are based around what I am in nature. Being apart of the evolutionarily process is a very big component of how I should form my standards (Adaption, change, survival, growth) are important factors to take in account when I make ethical decisions.

You mean that you have no intuition for the divine? It’s just a material world and you, a material boy?

 

[Gottservant]

What makes a fundamentalist think that their interpretation of the Bible is the one and true interpretation? Are they not acting as if they are God themselves when they assume that their interpretation must be infallible? I’ve never once heard a fundamentalist say that they could be reading the Bible wrong, they’re the only ones who hold the correct interpretation and everyone else is taking it out of context-except for them.

And also, how does it make any sense for a believer to say they don’t know what the future holds, but then turn around and say that you will come before God, in the future of course, after you die? I thought they don’t know what the future holds.

Also, how can a believer know anything at all when they say, “Only God knows”? If only God knows, then we cannot know anything at all, not even that God knows. It’s self-defeating.

Jesus said "what I say to you, I say to everyone "Watch!"" (from memory, the gospels).

Other people interpreting scripture differently is no excuse, we all have to "watch".

You are saying "I want an example, to know how to trust what people are trusting in scripture" but its not about other people believing, its about you believing?

 

[Romanov2488]

Jesus said "what I say to you, I say to everyone "Watch!"" (from memory, the gospels).

Other people interpreting scripture differently is no excuse, we all have to "watch".

You are saying "I want an example, to know how to trust what people are trusting in scripture" but its not about other people believing, its about you believing?

It is about what other people are believing. Your belief was imported, it was someone else’s belief. Nobody is born knowing about Jesus or the Bible. Denominations are just religions of a particular interpretation of the Bible.

 

[The Learner]

What makes a fundamentalist think that their interpretation of the Bible is the one and true interpretation? Are they not acting as if they are God themselves when they assume that their interpretation must be infallible? I’ve never once heard a fundamentalist say that they could be reading the Bible wrong, they’re the only ones who hold the correct interpretation and everyone else is taking it out of context-except for them.

And also, how does it make any sense for a believer to say they don’t know what the future holds, but then turn around and say that you will come before God, in the future of course, after you die? I thought they don’t know what the future holds.

Also, how can a believer know anything at all when they say, “Only God knows”? If only God knows, then we cannot know anything at all, not even that God knows. It’s self-defeating.

Matthew 25 tells them about future judgement. as for the rest, I need to research it.

 

[The Learner]

start at

• #7

 

[I.O.U]

You mean that you have no intuition for the divine? It’s just a material world and you, a material boy?

Have you even read what I've been posting on this forum over the years.

 

[I.O.U]

 

[I.O.U]

Remember the Coca-Cola smelling pencil eraser.

 

[I.O.U]

What ever happened to blue heaven milkshakes?

 

[Wrangler]

Have you even read what I've been posting on this forum over the years.

No. This is my first recollection of someone on a forum reluctant to talk about the reason their on the forum. You call that trolling. What a trip.

Carry on wayward son.

 

[Behold]

How do we know you’re being guided by the Holy Spirit and not something else?

How do we know what’s coming from you isn’t nonsense?

The way you avoid heretics, is 2 things.

Learn how to rightly divide the word, which shows you who can't.

Here is the clue of Clues...
When a person is posting on a Forum or teaching from a pulpit...and their teaching does not give Christ all the credit due Him alone, for saving them and keeping them saved, then you are dealing with a Deceiver, a heretic.
How do you know?
Because all heretics, leave or never had to begin with, the correct understanding that God takes you into His family and keep you there , the same way.

A.) The CROSS of Christ.


So, when a teacher, preacher, Pope, says...."now to stay saved, you have to......get in the water, endure, confess and do penance, and here is the rest of the SELF EFFORT LIST to try to do for yourself what only the CROSS of CHRIST can accomplish and maintain for you".

do you hear me?
If you do, then you can use what i just showed you to INSTANTLY spot a deceiver, a heretic, a minister of the devil, who is deceived by him.

These.

2 Corinthians 11:14

 

[Wrangler]

So, when a teacher, preacher, Pope, says...."now to stay saved

You are OSAS relentless. The default is that a person saved remains saved - provided they stay in Christ. It is illogical to connect one moving with one staying.

Peculiar for you to deny people can move away and not stay.

 

[Romanov2488]

Learn how to rightly divide the word, which shows you who can't.

Here is the clue of Clues...
When a person is posting on a Forum or teaching from a pulpit...and their teaching does not give Christ all the credit due Him alone, for saving them and keeping them saved, then you are dealing with a Deceiver, a heretic.
How do you know?
Because all heretics, leave or never had to begin with, the correct understanding that God takes you into His family and keep you there , the same way.

A.) The CROSS of Christ.


So, when a teacher, preacher, Pope, says...."now to stay saved, you have to......get in the water, endure, confess and do penance, and here is the rest of the SELF EFFORT LIST to try to do for yourself what only the CROSS of CHRIST can accomplish and maintain for you".

do you hear me?
If you do, then you can use what i just showed you to INSTANTLY spot a deceiver, a heretic, a minister of the devil, who is deceived by him.

These.

2 Corinthians 11:14

We’re all heretics to someone. In fact since you sound like a Protestant, you’re a heretic in the eyes of the Catholic Church…but that’s ok because you probably think they are also heretics. Both Catholics and Protestants cherry pick verses out of the Bible to justify their position and deem the other side as heretics.

“For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” Ephesians 2:10

“That those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works.” Titus 3:8.

“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me to give to every one according to his work.” Revelation 22:12.

Catholics will pull those verses out to contradict you.

It’s all a joke