Time no longer.

[Trekson]

Time No Longer​

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10 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:​

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2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,​

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3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.​

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4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.​

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5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,​

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6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:​

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7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.​

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8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.​

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9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.​

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10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.​

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11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.​

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I keep saying it: The seventh angel has sounded.

The 7th angel isn't going to sound before the previous 6 and it's obvious that hasn't happened yet and in your opinion, "time" for what?, Imo, repentance.

 

[Johann]

The 7th angel isn't going to sound before the previous 6 and it's obvious that hasn't happened yet and in your opinion, "time" for what?, Imo, repentance.

Seems like a Preteristic worldview...
According to preterism, all prophecy in the Bible is really history. The preterist interpretation of Scripture regards the book of Revelation as a symbolic picture of first-century conflicts, not a description of what will occur in the end times. The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, meaning “past.” Thus, preterism is the view that the biblical prophecies concerning the “end times” have already been fulfilled—in the past. Preterism is directly opposed to futurism, which sees the end-times prophecies as having a still-future fulfillment.

Preterism is divided into two types: full (or consistent) preterism and partial preterism. This article will confine the discussion to full preterism (or hyper-preterism, as some call it).

Preterism denies the future prophetic quality of the book of Revelation. The preterist movement essentially teaches that all the end-times prophecies of the New Testament were fulfilled in AD 70 when the Romans attacked and destroyed Jerusalem. Preterism teaches that every event normally associated with the end times—Christ’s second coming, the tribulation, the resurrection of the dead, the final judgment—has already happened. (In the case of the final judgment, it still is in the process of being fulfilled.) Jesus’ return to earth was a “spiritual” return, not a physical one.

What is the preterist view of the end times? | GotQuestions.org

What is the preterist view of the end times? Did all (or most) of the prophecy in the New Testament come to fulfillment in A.D. 70?

www.gotquestions.org

So eschatological futuristic event already "happened and fulfilled" and I am not saying @ScottA is a Preterist, but it sure sounds like it, and there are posts, if you carefully read them espousing this view.

J.

 

[GTW27]

If this is the case, then you and Scott are in the prophetic knowing things concealed from Christians and the second coming of our Lord has already occurred.
Sounds like a Preteristic worldview to me.

Blessings in Christ Jesus Johann. Do not misunderstand. If you must judge, read all of the post I have been led to write on these forums and perhaps you will see a brother in Christ Jesus. Amos 3 vs 7 is the truth of the matter, over and above what was written on this thread. Matthew 24 vs 29-31 will come to pass, as all our Fathers words do. Be Blessed.

 

[Truth7t7]

And knowing this, I can say that the seventh angel of Revelation 10 has sounded.

No the 7th Angel of Revelation "Hasn't Sounded" as you "Falsely Claim"

Revelation Chapter 11 is detailed in description, (Two Witnesses) will bring literal plagues in this literal world, they will be literally killed, and literal their literal bodies will lay in a literal street in Jerusalem dead, as a literal world watches in celebration of their deaths, a great earthquake as thousands die, as the "Final Judgement" takes place shortly after, these events precede the 7th angel of Revelation 11:15

Revelation 11:3-18KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Seems like a Preteristic worldview...
According to preterism, all prophecy in the Bible is really history. The preterist interpretation of Scripture regards the book of Revelation as a symbolic picture of first-century conflicts, not a description of what will occur in the end times. The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, meaning “past.” Thus, preterism is the view that the biblical prophecies concerning the “end times” have already been fulfilled—in the past. Preterism is directly opposed to futurism, which sees the end-times prophecies as having a still-future fulfillment.

Preterism is divided into two types: full (or consistent) preterism and partial preterism. This article will confine the discussion to full preterism (or hyper-preterism, as some call it).

Preterism denies the future prophetic quality of the book of Revelation. The preterist movement essentially teaches that all the end-times prophecies of the New Testament were fulfilled in AD 70 when the Romans attacked and destroyed Jerusalem. Preterism teaches that every event normally associated with the end times—Christ’s second coming, the tribulation, the resurrection of the dead, the final judgment—has already happened. (In the case of the final judgment, it still is in the process of being fulfilled.) Jesus’ return to earth was a “spiritual” return, not a physical one.

What is the preterist view of the end times? | GotQuestions.org

What is the preterist view of the end times? Did all (or most) of the prophecy in the New Testament come to fulfillment in A.D. 70?

www.gotquestions.org

So eschatological futuristic event already "happened and fulfilled" and I am not saying @ScottA is a Preterist, but it sure sounds like it, and there are posts, if you carefully read them espousing this view.

J.

As per my observations, "Yes" the poster denies a future, literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens as scripture clearly teaches, a false teaching in the realm of (Full Preterism)

The posters teachings far exceed standard preterism, reaching out into a metaphysical gobbly goop of human imagination, thats not found in the scripture, IMHO

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

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• Certainly, if Jesus did not go to the Father and then come (returned) to me, I would say nothing.
  
  What say you-- Has Jesus come in to you after first going to the Father?

  You try desperately to build a false interpretation of the "second coming" on a believers "Personal Salvation"

The future literal second coming is the largest theme found in the New Testament, and you think your going to erase it with your mystical gobbly goop, not a chance!

Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Johann]

Blessings in Christ Jesus Johann. Do not misunderstand. If you must judge, read all of the post I have been led to write on these forums and perhaps you will see a brother in Christ Jesus. Amos 3 vs 7 is the truth of the matter, over and above what was written on this thread. Matthew 24 vs 29-31 will come to pass, as all our Fathers words do. Be Blessed.

If you must judge, read all of the post I have been led to write on these forums and perhaps you will see a brother in Christ Jesus.

I'm not here to judge anyone @GTW27 our Lord Christ Jesus is our Judge.

 

[Truth7t7]

If this is the case, then you and Scott are in the prophetic knowing things concealed from Christians and the second coming of our Lord has already occurred.
Sounds like a Preteristic worldview to me.

Yes (Full Preterism) in denial of the future, literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm not here to judge anyone @GTW27 our Lord Christ Jesus is our Judge.

I Agree, you see it the very same way I see it, (Full Preterism) in denial of the future, literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Johann]

I Agree, you see it the very same way I see it, (Full Preterism) in denial of the future, literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

Jesus Is The Lord

We have to be careful and test the spirits @Truth7t7

 

[WPM]

Certainly, if Jesus did not go to the Father and then come (returned) to me, I would say nothing.

What say you-- Has Jesus come in to you after first going to the Father?

Only heretics deny the future coming of Christ for all His people and glorify creation.

Anyway, if time is no longer, do you not use a watch or a calendar any more? You do not seem to understand the whole dynamic of time and eternity.

 

[ScottA]

I have no idea what you are talking about ....

For the any of the seals to be opened would mean that this entire administration (dispensation) of grace would have to have concluded (terminated). .....it has not.

The subject and topic of discussion is "time no more", that is, time coming to an end. The scriptures say that preceding the end the seventh angel "sounds" (announces) its coming as soon. Thus, knowing that time is spiritually and even scientifically and illusion, such knowledge is proof of his sounding, which could not otherwise be known.

As for the seals, Jesus has prevailed to open them, as it is written: "Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.”

 

[ScottA]

Humm sorry but I still don’t get what you’re actually saying or claiming

The sounding of the seventh angel is the announcement of the soon coming end of time. That announcement had not come in previous times, but as "knowledge has increased" it is now known that time is only an illusion--which is the mystery of God revealed marking the time:

I saw still another mighty angel coming down from heaven, clothed with a cloud. And a rainbow was on his head, his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire. 2 He had a little book open in his hand. And he set his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3 and cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roars. When he cried out, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4 Now when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”​

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5 The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven 6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets. Revelation 10:1-7​

 

[ScottA]

The 7th angel isn't going to sound before the previous 6 and it's obvious that hasn't happened yet and in your opinion, "time" for what?, Imo, repentance.

Yes, repentance. The sounding (announcement) of the seventh angel marks the time that the end is nigh. Which is evident by the mystery of God being finished as knowledge being increased revealing the reality of time being an illusion. Which was not made know in previous times, but is now known.

 

[WPM]

I Agree, you see it the very same way I see it, (Full Preterism) in denial of the future, literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

Jesus Is The Lord

Bro, it is heresy. Only the blind reject the truth.

 

[ScottA]

Seems like a Preteristic worldview...
According to preterism, all prophecy in the Bible is really history. The preterist interpretation of Scripture regards the book of Revelation as a symbolic picture of first-century conflicts, not a description of what will occur in the end times. The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, meaning “past.” Thus, preterism is the view that the biblical prophecies concerning the “end times” have already been fulfilled—in the past. Preterism is directly opposed to futurism, which sees the end-times prophecies as having a still-future fulfillment.

Preterism is divided into two types: full (or consistent) preterism and partial preterism. This article will confine the discussion to full preterism (or hyper-preterism, as some call it).

Preterism denies the future prophetic quality of the book of Revelation. The preterist movement essentially teaches that all the end-times prophecies of the New Testament were fulfilled in AD 70 when the Romans attacked and destroyed Jerusalem. Preterism teaches that every event normally associated with the end times—Christ’s second coming, the tribulation, the resurrection of the dead, the final judgment—has already happened. (In the case of the final judgment, it still is in the process of being fulfilled.) Jesus’ return to earth was a “spiritual” return, not a physical one.

What is the preterist view of the end times? | GotQuestions.org

What is the preterist view of the end times? Did all (or most) of the prophecy in the New Testament come to fulfillment in A.D. 70?

www.gotquestions.org

So eschatological futuristic event already "happened and fulfilled" and I am not saying @ScottA is a Preterist, but it sure sounds like it, and there are posts, if you carefully read them espousing this view.

J.

Let me clarify the "Preteristic" worldview compared with what I am saying to the contrary:

My understanding of Preterism, is that they have claimed a specific time or date that all things end[ed] on.

I am not at all saying that. But rather, that time is a God-created mystery (Revelation 10) that is even scientifically, an illusion, which has its end at the end of the world. And because it is an illusion held in mystery and only "finished" soon after the seventh angel sounds--the things of God that would seem to exist on this would-be timeline, have been and are only revealed in time, but were rather (as the scriptures elude to) "before the foundation of the world." I submit that the mystery of God that was to be "finished", is the truth about the illusion of time; that the events of God which were actually "before the foundation of the world" were "declared to His servants the prophets" and merely revealed on this would-be timeline.

 

[Marty fox]

The sounding of the seventh seal is the announcement of the soon coming end of time. That announcement had not come in previous times, but as "knowledge has increased" it is now known that time is only an illusion--which is the mystery of God revealed marking the time:

I saw still another mighty angel coming down from heaven, clothed with a cloud. And a rainbow was on his head, his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire. 2 He had a little book open in his hand. And he set his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3 and cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roars. When he cried out, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4 Now when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”​

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5 The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven 6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets. Revelation 10:1-7​

But the bible shows that the 7th trumpet is at the end of our world on the judgement day

I believe that the mystery of God was that the gentiles would be one flock with the believing Jews

 

[Truth7t7]

Let me clarify the "Preteristic" worldview compared with what I am saying to the
I am not at all saying that. But rather, that time is a God-created mystery (Revelation 10) that is even scientifically, an illusion, which has its end at the end of the world.

Time is just an illusion, Big Smiles!

Tell the bank that when they want your mortgage payment at the 1st of the month, More Big Smiles!

More mystical gobble goop not found in scripture, imagination in the mind of the poser

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[ScottA]

No the 7th Angel of Revelation "Hasn't Sounded" as you "Falsely Claim"

Revelation Chapter 11 is detailed in description, (Two Witnesses) will bring literal plagues in this literal world, they will be literally killed, and literal their literal bodies will lay in a literal street in Jerusalem dead, as a literal world watches in celebration of their deaths, a great earthquake as thousands die, as the "Final Judgement" takes place shortly after, these events precede the 7th angel of Revelation 11:15

Revelation 11:3-18KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

You and many have not understood except in the way that it was presented to you, which came about by the mystery of God that He declared to His servants the prophets. Which false priests and teachers not hearing, taught and the "lie" was believed causing "strong delusion" and great apostacy, just as it was foretold by those who prophesied what you now are a victim of.

Nonetheless, the mystery of God was to be "finished" and I have proclaimed it, which I could not do if not for the sounding of the seventh angel.

In which case--as the scriptures have foretold everything I have told you, you are in need of correction, and I am happy to explain things one at at time if you are so willing. Alternatively, you can choose to do exactly what the Priests and the Pharisees did when their age old paradigm dropped from beneath their feet, and only awaken to the truth at your passing, as it was with them.

 

[ScottA]

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  You try desperately to build a false interpretation of the "second coming" on a believers "Personal Salvation"

The future literal second coming is the largest theme found in the New Testament, and you think your going to erase it with your mystical gobbly goop, not a chance!

Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

No, but I claim His return only as it is written: "but each one in his own order."