THE TRUTH OF DANIEL'S SEVENTY WEEKS PROPHECY

[David in NJ]

I agree. Neither of us should do that. I'm not, however, "redefining the Holy Scriptures." Rather, that's what you're *accusing* me of doing, which if you're wrong is rather slanderous, don't you think? You dare to judge my heart and call yourself a good Christian?

Ditto. Do what you think I don't do. In your ignorance you don't know how much Scripture I've memorized in my lifetime, do you? You don't know how much I walk with God every day, do you? An accusing spirit is *not* a godly spirit!

You need to understand what the argument is. Just repeating your same arguments does not address the issues I raised. Perhaps you don't have an answer?

Since when is the scripture that a child can understand and 'argument' ?

Do not get all hurt feelings over me rejoicing in a scripture that everyone should rejoice in, and bury deep in their hearts.

The GREATEST Revelation is = Christ in you the Hope of Glory

 

[amigo de christo]

There is no building on earth that qualifies as "the House of God"

Acts 7:44-50
Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as He appointed, instructing Moses to make it according to the pattern that he had seen, which our fathers, having received it in turn, also brought with Joshua into the land possessed by the Gentiles, whom God drove out before the face of our fathers until the days of David, who found favor before God and asked to find a dwelling for the God of Jacob.
But Solomon built Him a house.

“However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:

‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
Or what is the place of My rest?
Has My hand not made all these things?’

But there is a place where the most high does dwell . AND IS the TEMPLE of said city . HEAVENLY JERUSALEM
HOME of the lambs and we await for its coming to the earth .
Everything they did under the old testament was a shadow , a pattern of that which WAS IN HEAVEN .
AND WHERE JESUS would enter into after His death and ressurection . EVERYTHING
under the old test pattern was a foreshadow of WHAT WAS TO COME . THE CITY , of all of it .
AND JESUS alone is the only way IN . The lambs cling to HIM and shall allow
no other false plan for salvation to be taught . ITS EITHER BELIEVE IN HIM , or NO ACCESS INTO THAT KINGDOM .
THere is no other plan of salvation . GOD didnt make one plan for the jews and another plan for the gentiles .
IT WAS FOR ALL TRIBES . ONE FOLD , ONE SHEPARD . ONE KINGDOM which is heavenly , ONE CITY which is
heavenly JERSUALEM which is above and mother to all the lambs . ONE KING , ONE HIGH PREIST
ONE SAVOIR , ONE TEMPLE where the SACRFICE has already been made .
THERE simply is no other way . JESUS ALONE . and the lambs KNOW THIS . so did the apostels
who i might add were ALL JEWS . they never gave a false hope to anyone .
IT was BELIEVE YE THE GOSPLE

 

[David in NJ]

1 Timothy 3:15
but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth


Luke 6:4
how he went into the house of God, took and ate the showbread, and also gave some to those with him, which is not lawful for any but the priests to eat?


Mark 2:26
how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which is not lawful to eat except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?

Deuteronomy 23:18
You shall not bring the wages of a harlot or the price of a dog to the house of the Lordyour God for any vowed offering, for both of these are an abomination to the Lord your God


Judges 20:18
Then the children of Israel arose and went up to the house of God to inquire of God. They said, “Which of us shall go up first to battle against the children of Benjamin?” The Lord said, “Judah first

there are so many more

1 Timothy 3:15
but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth

Paul is referring to the gathering of Believers as the 'house of God' = not any building

 

[David in NJ]

1 Timothy 3:15
but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth


Luke 6:4
how he went into the house of God, took and ate the showbread, and also gave some to those with him, which is not lawful for any but the priests to eat?


Mark 2:26
how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which is not lawful to eat except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?

Deuteronomy 23:18
You shall not bring the wages of a harlot or the price of a dog to the house of the Lordyour God for any vowed offering, for both of these are an abomination to the Lord your God


Judges 20:18
Then the children of Israel arose and went up to the house of God to inquire of God. They said, “Which of us shall go up first to battle against the children of Benjamin?” The Lord said, “Judah first

there are so many more

The Temple built by Solomon indeed was called 'the house of God' = yet God did not and does not dwell there...........

The OT Temple was only meant to be temporary.
It was a foreshadow of BETTER THINGS to come = the Messiah and His Eternal Temple

 

[amigo de christo]

The Temple built by Solomon indeed was called 'the house of God' = yet God did not and does not dwell there...........

The OT Temple was only meant to be temporary.
It was a foreshadow of BETTER THINGS to come = the Messiah and His Eternal Temple

Even solomon said that . But the heavens of heavens cannot even CONTAIN you , how much less this that i build for you .
Exactly . YET THE HEAVENLY CITY , GOD DWELLS THERE ALWAYS and FOREVER .
Yep . GOD made the way IN THE SON . so its time to PREACH CHRIST ALONE to all that has breath . TO the jew and to the gentile .

 

[amigo de christo]

1 Timothy 3:15
but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth

Paul is referring to the gathering of Believers as the 'house of God' = not any building

The building is nothing more than is a house , just a place to help keep us from the elements .
But as for the church . THAT IS THE LAMBS and they can meet in a house
or a building , on a hill or in a cave , in a forest or on a boat . FOR WHERE Two or more are gathered
THE KING IS IN THE MIDST .

 

[David in NJ]

The building is nothing more than is a house , just a place to help keep us from the elements .
But as for the church . THAT IS THE LAMBS and they can meet in a house
or a building , on a hill or in a cave , in a forest or on a boat . FOR WHERE Two or more are gathered
THE KING IS IN THE MIDST .

Exactly why the LORD Himself taught and ministered in open fields, on boats, peoples homes, walking down the road, gardens and anywhere he was welcomed.

Same with the Apostles.

 

[amigo de christo]

Exactly why the LORD Himself taught and ministered in open fields, on boats, peoples homes, walking down the road, gardens and anywhere he was welcomed.

Same with the Apostles.

And yet i seem to notice the same pattern . THE religioius leaders of HIS day was always trying to run him off .
Just like they do to the true lambs who come in amongst them and point to Christ and expose error
and etc . yet , the lambs march ON in the LORD , desiring life for all and not the death of the wicked
but rather they would repent . We march on pointing to the only hope and salvation there is , IN CHRIST JESUS ALONE
and if it costs us all , then so be it , WE WIN FOR HE HAS WON and our end is good in HIM forever and ever and ever .
Preach JESUS as the only means to be saved to every group till the last and final breath .

 

[David in NJ]

And yet i seem to notice the same pattern . THE religioius leaders of HIS day was always trying to run him off .
Just like they do to the true lambs who come in amongst them and point to Christ and expose error
and etc . yet , the lambs march ON in the LORD , desiring life for all and not the death of the wicked
but rather they would repent . We march on pointing to the only hope and salvation there is , IN CHRIST JESUS ALONE
and if it costs us all , then so be it , WE WIN FOR HE HAS WON and our end is good in HIM forever and ever and ever .
Preach JESUS as the only means to be saved to every group till the last and final breath .

Stephen was stoned to death because he preached that:

a.) Christ alone is all sufficient for Salvation
b.) God is not in your Temple and does not need it.
c.) Religion always resists the Holy Spirit that is sent to set the captives free.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

ALL of Scripture is essential to me because i have been Born-Again by the Spirit of the Living God.

My Savior says: "man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God."

The Holy Spirit says to me - "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

My High Priest says to me - "They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth"

You still have to interpret in context. Otherwise you can make the word say anything you want it to say

 

[Eternally Grateful]

i did not say this = "no where in scripture does it call any building the house of God"

i said = "no building in scripture qualifies as the house of God" meaning this = 1 Kings ch8 and Acts ch7

When Solomon finished the Temple and on the very day of it's 'Dedication' he said:
"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You.
How much less this temple which I have built!"

Stephen, who was filled with the Holy Spirit said the exact same thing = because JESUS wants that message to be heard.

Now God blessed the OT Temple for it was a foreshadow of Christ and not just Christ but of His Body = all Believers

The Temple built by Solomon is the same principle as the animal sacrifices = TEMPORARY

The Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed because a building on earth was not God's Eternal Plan.

Christ is the House of God
Christ is the Temple of God
Christ is the Israel of God

And every Jew & Gentile that is in Christ are Living Stones that make up the Temple of God.
Every Jew & Gentile in Christ are 'sons of God' from One SEED and we are One Holy Nation in Christ.

Separating Jew from Gentile in Christ is anti-christ.

God called the temple a house of God. I think if God calls it a house of God. It qualifies to be a house of God.

God made a promise to Israel. A promise he NEVER made to any gentile.

Saying God does not keep his promises is in error. And a slam against God.

I pray you believe that God will keep his promise to you when he says you have eternal life

I pray you do not believe if you fail Like Israel did God will take back his unconditional covenant to you

 

[David in NJ]

You still have to interpret in context. Otherwise you can make the word say anything you want it to say

AGREE - and yet if we use context incorrectly we can refuse the Holy Spirit speaking thru the Living Word.

Jesus says to us = "these words I speak to you, they are Spirit and they are Life.

Otherwise, context becomes a man-centered replacement of the work of the Holy Spirit who is our Teacher and HE is the Spirit of Truth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

1 Timothy 3:15
but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth

Paul is referring to the gathering of Believers as the 'house of God' = not any building

And where do the believers gather?

 

[covenantee]

does Israel still celebrate the passover? Will they celebrate the passover as a nation when they are restored.

What is with people and context. Do you think you are going to convince me with these ideas??

Foolish questions indeed.

There is no other passover that God recognizes since the Lamb was slain at Calvary.

That would be a blasphemous abomination of desecration.

Fundamental Christian doctrine.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Temple built by Solomon indeed was called 'the house of God' = yet God did not and does not dwell there...........

The OT Temple was only meant to be temporary.
It was a foreshadow of BETTER THINGS to come = the Messiah and His Eternal Temple

Actually he did dwell there. His presence was there.

he showed how desperate our situation was.. That the only way we could enter his presence. As through a high priest..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

AGREE - and yet if we use context incorrectly we can refuse the Holy Spirit speaking thru the Living Word.

Jesus says to us = "these words I speak to you, they are Spirit and they are Life.

Otherwise, context becomes a man-centered replacement of the work of the Holy Spirit who is our Teacher and HE is the Spirit of Truth.

Yes.

Scripture has to agree.

so we both have to look at scripture that way.. Not just me, yourself also..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Foolish questions indeed.

There is no other passover that God recognizes since the Lamb was slain at Calvary.

That would be a blasphemous abomination of desecration.

Fundamental Christian doctrine.

I am not a jew. So of course I do not celebrate the day my nation was freed from slavery.

You have not changed a bit i see.. You just go around and around, never making any sense. Always dodging and making excuses

 

[David in NJ]

God called the temple a house of God. I think if God calls it a house of God. It qualifies to be a house of God.

God made a promise to Israel. A promise he NEVER made to any gentile.

Saying God does not keep his promises is in error. And a slam against God.

I pray you believe that God will keep his promise to you when he says you have eternal life

I pray you do not believe if you fail Like Israel did God will take back his unconditional covenant to you

YES, i already said that the Temple was part of God's Plan until Christ came.

What is MOST IMPORTANT is the statement penned by the Holy Spirit thru Solomon and again in Acts

This is the MESSAGE of God's LOVE for us to embrace:

Then Solomon stood before the altar of the Lord in the presence of all the assembly of Israel, and spread out his hands toward heaven; and he said: “Lord God of Israel, there is no God in heaven above or on earth below like You, who keep Your covenant and mercy with Your servants who walk before You with all their hearts. You have kept what You promised Your servant David my father; You have both spoken with Your mouth and fulfilled it with Your hand, as it is this day. Therefore, Lord God of Israel, now keep what You promised Your servant David my father, saying, ‘You shall not fail to have a man sit before Me on the throne of Israel, only if your sons take heed to their way, that they walk before Me as you have walked before Me.’ And now I pray, O God of Israel, let Your word come true, which You have spoken to Your servant David my father.

“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built!

This Prayer of Promise is fulfilled in CHRIST for Jew & Gentile

 

[Eternally Grateful]

YES, i already said that the Temple was part of God's Plan until Christ came.

What is MOST IMPORTANT is the statement penned by the Holy Spirit thru Solomon and again in Acts

This is the MESSAGE of God's LOVE for us to embrace:

Then Solomon stood before the altar of the Lord in the presence of all the assembly of Israel, and spread out his hands toward heaven; and he said: “Lord God of Israel, there is no God in heaven above or on earth below like You, who keep Your covenant and mercy with Your servants who walk before You with all their hearts. You have kept what You promised Your servant David my father; You have both spoken with Your mouth and fulfilled it with Your hand, as it is this day. Therefore, Lord God of Israel, now keep what You promised Your servant David my father, saying, ‘You shall not fail to have a man sit before Me on the throne of Israel, only if your sons take heed to their way, that they walk before Me as you have walked before Me.’ And now I pray, O God of Israel, let Your word come true, which You have spoken to Your servant David my father.

“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built!

This Prayer of Promise is fulfilled in CHRIST for Jew & Gentile

This still does not mean God is done with Israel. And will not do as paul said.

Let me ask you. If Israel confess their sin, and recieves christ as a nation. and confess the sin of the fathers.

Will God remember his promise to abraham as he promised in Lev 26?

 

[David in NJ]

And where do the believers gather?

Wherever they desire and at any time or day of the week.

Homes were often places of gathering for fellowship in Christ.

If we, as Believers in Christ, feel that we are not in church when outside of a building called church = we have missed the Message.