What is "Parousia"?

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David in NJ

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So what if God's name (YHVH) is not written in the New Testament? The Old Testament is still Gods word, and the Old Testament tells us God's name is YHVH. Jesus said that his Father was God, therefore his and our Father's name is YHVH. It's not rocket science - you should be able to understand that! Also God's name is in the New Testament in Revelation 19:1,3,4,6 (WEB):

(1) After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, “Hallelujah! Salvation, power, and glory belong to our God:​

Hallelujah is a Hebrew phrase that is not translated in Revelation 19. It means "Praise Yah", which is an abreviation of "Praise Yahweh", or "Praise YHVH", which are both phrases that occur often in the Old Testament. In verse 5 it says:

(5) A voice came from the throne, saying, “Give praise to our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, the small and the great!”​

reiterating what was said using Hallelujah, but just saying God rather than His name.


Yes. In that Pharaoh was symbolic of God and Joseph was symbolic of Jesus. Pharaoh appointed Joseph over his house - Genesis 41:40 (WEB):

(40) You shall be over my house, and according to your word will all my people be ruled. Only in the throne I will be greater than you.”​


Yes. YHVH has appointed Jesus to rule over his house/kingdom, and is greater than Jesus in the throne, which is why at the end of the 1,000 years reign and perfecting of the kingdom, Jesus will then turn the kingdom over to his Father/God and, 1 Corinthians 15:28 (WEB):

(28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.​


We should pray to God (YHVH), asking for things in Jesus' name. Jesus's name in Hebrew (Yehoshua) means "YHVH is salvation". Matthew 1:21 (WEB):

(21) She shall give birth to a son. You shall call his name Jesus, for it is he who shall save his people from their sins.”​

YHVH appointed Jesus to be the saviour of the Israelites and all mankind.
You have it backwards.

Here it is for you Forward = Start in the Beginning = Genesis

"Let Us make man in Our Image according to Our Likeness" = Genesis

"In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God." = Gospel

Prophets
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.

NT = the LORD Jesus fulfills every aspect of this from Isaiah 44:6

JESUS is our LORD = "even the wind and waves obey Him" = Psalm 98:8-9 and Job
“I have heard of You/YHWH by the hearing of the ear,
But now my eye sees You.

JESUS is our KING = "your King comes to you, lowly riding on a donkey"
JESUS is our Redeemer = "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law," = "You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood" - Job: "I know my Redeemer Lives and HE will stand on the earth = only JESUS has stood on the earth
JESUS is the First and the Last = Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation chapter 1


BEWARE lest you be found wanting - "always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" - 2 Timothy 3:1-9
 

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The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; My God, my strength, in whom I will trust; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Psalm 18:2

Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For YAH, the LORD, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation.’ ”
Isaiah 12:2

The LORD is my strength and song, And He has become my salvation; He is my God, and I will praise Him; My father’s God, and I will exalt Him.
Exodus 15:2
In all of those verses the LORD is Yahweh. Jesus (the man) at this time did not exist except in concept as the promised “seed of Abraham” that was to come. But he did exist as an individual entity in heaven “with” his God, as his “only begotten son”.

What does that mean to you? How is Jesus “God’s only begotten son”...the “firstborn of all creation”? (Col 1:15-17)
What do you believe and what scriptures would you use to back up what you say?
BEWARE lest you be found wanting - "always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" - 2 Timothy 3:1-9
David, can you apply that scripture to yourself? You are ignoring parts of God’s word that contradict what you believe, whilst using bits of it to support what you do believe....does God’s word contradict itself? Or is it that man’s interpretation is at fault? What is the truth? Do the divided churches of Christendom know?
Do individuals who claim no membership to any church, have the truth..if so, who? How can you tell?

If Jesus and his apostles warned about a corrupting of the Christian faith (the devil planting his weeds) and this was starting to manifest in the latter part of the first century, imagine what hundreds of years of slowly evolving falsehood would end up in the Christian Faith? Uncorrected corruption just gets stronger as time goes on....look at Roman Catholicism....this is the birth of Christendom.....despite 1500 years of absolute religious authority and its many obvious departures from Christ’s teachings, its corrupted doctrines formed the foundation of what Christians in later times would accept without question. Most have no idea that the very foundational beliefs proffered by this counterfeit church had no basis in scripture to begin with. They had withheld the Bible from the common people preventing them from being able to check and see if what they were being taught was actually supported in God’s word. They literally got away with murder because anyone who questioned the authority of the church or the validity of its doctrines, was executed as a heretic.

If your foundation is built on sand instead of rock, the storm that is coming, will wash it away.

You should be able to address the scriptures presented to you, and defend your beliefs scripturally, if you know and understand the verses that you quote. There are no clear statements in these scriptures, so it was easy to graft errors into the text by suggestions made long ago. Unless we have clear biblical statements, assumptions should never be accepted as biblical proof for any doctrine. The Bible explains itself, but you have to know what it says in its entirety, and how it’s statements are backed up by other scripture....clear statements must form the basis of doctrine.

I have to wonder if you have ever explored those scriptures that say the exact opposite to what you have been led to believe.....? Is it wise to assume that the devil can’t fool us?
 
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Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.

NT = the LORD Jesus fulfills every aspect of this from Isaiah 44:6
When God said that He was the first and the last He was explaining that He existed before all things, and will exist forever. When Jesus said he was the first and the last, he also said, Revelation 1:17-18 (WEB):

(17) When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, “Don’t be afraid. I am the first and the last,
(18) and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever and ever. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades.​

So God (YHVH) existed before any other living being - He was originally all alone. Jesus, God's only begotten son, was the first of all God's creation, and he too will exist forever (he is now, since his resurrection, immortal). But Jesus is not God, and that is evident because Jesus says that he had died, but now will live for ever, whereas God cannot die - He "alone has immortality" (1 Timothy 6:16). As Barnes' notes says:

Who only hath immortality - The word here - ἀθανασία athanasia - properly means “exemption from death,” and seems to mean that God, in his own nature, enjoys a perfect and certain exemption from death. Creatures have immortality only as they derive it from him, and of course are dependent on him for it. He has it by his very nature, and it is in his case underived, and he cannot be deprived of it. It is one of the essential attributes of his being, that he will always exist, and that death cannot reach him; compare the expression in Joh_5:26, “The Father hath life in himself,” and the notes on that passage.​

JESUS is our LORD = "even the wind and waves obey Him" = Psalm 98:8-9
Eh? Psalms 98:8-9 (WEB):

(8) Let the rivers clap their hands. Let the mountains sing for joy together.​
(9) Let them sing before Yahweh, for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world with righteousness, and the peoples with equity.​

That doesn't say that the wind and waves obey God. Regardless, Jesus calming the wind and the waves was a miracle performed by God at Jesus' request - just like all of the miracles preformed by prophets and Christians that are recorded in the Bible. Men cannot do such things; it is God that performs the miracles. As Jesus said when he raised Lazarus from death, "Father, I thank you that you listened to me" (John 11:41). Jesus also said, John 5:19, “Most certainly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing".

and Job
“I have heard of You/YHWH by the hearing of the ear,
But now my eye sees You.
I don't understand the point you are making by referring to Job 42:5. What's the relevance? Barnes notes says:

I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear - Referring to the indistinct views which we have of anything by merely hearing of it, compared with the clear apprehension which is furnished by sight. Job had had such views of God as one may obtain by being told of him; he now had such views as are furnished by the sight. The meaning is, that his views of God before were dark and obscure.​
But now mine eye seeth thee - We are not to suppose that Job means to say that he actually “saw” God, but that his apprehensions of him were clear and bright “as if” he did. There is no evidence that God appeared to Job in any visible form. He is said, indeed, to have spoken from the whirlwind, but no visible manifestation of Yahweh is mentioned.​

JESUS is our KING = "your King comes to you, lowly riding on a donkey"
JESUS is our Redeemer = "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law," = "You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood" - Job: "I know my Redeemer Lives and HE will stand on the earth = only JESUS has stood on the earth
Yep, Jesus is the Messiah, who God anointed to redeem mankind. But the Messiah (God's anointed) is not God!
 
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When God said that He was the first and the last He was explaining that He existed before all things, and will exist forever. When Jesus said he was the first and the last, he also said, Revelation 1:17-18 (WEB):

(17) When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, “Don’t be afraid. I am the first and the last,
(18) and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever and ever. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades.​

So God (YHVH) existed before any other living being - He was originally all alone. Jesus, God's only begotten son, was the first of all God's creation, and he too will exist forever (he is now, since his resurrection, immortal). But Jesus is not God, and that is evident because Jesus says that he had died, but now will live for ever, whereas God cannot die - He "alone has immortality" (1 Timothy 6:16). As Barnes' notes says:

Who only hath immortality - The word here - ἀθανασία athanasia - properly means “exemption from death,” and seems to mean that God, in his own nature, enjoys a perfect and certain exemption from death. Creatures have immortality only as they derive it from him, and of course are dependent on him for it. He has it by his very nature, and it is in his case underived, and he cannot be deprived of it. It is one of the essential attributes of his being, that he will always exist, and that death cannot reach him; compare the expression in Joh_5:26, “The Father hath life in himself,” and the notes on that passage.​


Eh? Psalms 98:8-9 (WEB):

(8) Let the rivers clap their hands. Let the mountains sing for joy together.​
(9) Let them sing before Yahweh, for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world with righteousness, and the peoples with equity.​

That doesn't say that the wind and waves obey God. Regardless, Jesus calming the wind and the waves was a miracle performed by God at Jesus' request - just like all of the miracles preformed by prophets and Christians that are recorded in the Bible. Men cannot do such things; it is God that performs the miracles. As Jesus said when he raised Lazarus from death, "Father, I thank you that you listened to me" (John 11:41). Jesus also said, John 5:19, “Most certainly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing".


I don't understand the point you are making by referring to Job 42:5. What's the relevance? Barnes notes says:

I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear - Referring to the indistinct views which we have of anything by merely hearing of it, compared with the clear apprehension which is furnished by sight. Job had had such views of God as one may obtain by being told of him; he now had such views as are furnished by the sight. The meaning is, that his views of God before were dark and obscure.​
But now mine eye seeth thee - We are not to suppose that Job means to say that he actually “saw” God, but that his apprehensions of him were clear and bright “as if” he did. There is no evidence that God appeared to Job in any visible form. He is said, indeed, to have spoken from the whirlwind, but no visible manifestation of Yahweh is mentioned.​


Yep, Jesus is the Messiah, who God anointed to redeem mankind. But the Messiah (God's anointed) is not God!
1.) Spirit of God moved upon the waters and God Said = 3

2.) Let Us Make man in Our image according to Our Likeness = 3

3.) In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word is God = 3

4.) Elohim = Plural = literal translation is Gods but Father/Son/Holy Spirit are Echad = Hear Oh Israel Elohim is Echad

5.) Exodus ch3 - Elohenu Abraham Elohenu Isaac Elohenu Jacob = 3 as One = Father Son Holy Spirit = Gospel = My Name Forever

6.) All things created by the WORD = WORD was never created

7.) WORD who is God says = Revelation ch1
Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Himeven those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty.
the ETERNAL LIVING WORD became flesh and dwelt among us = Immanuel = God with us

NO ONE has seen God at anytime = a.) John 1:18 and b.) John 6:46


a.) No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
b.) Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

Job saw YHWH = Job saw the WORD/SON

YHWH says "I am the First and the Last"

WORD that became flesh says "I am the First and the Last"

Immanuel/God with us says: "I am the First and the Last" = These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: = ALL things created by the Eternal WORD = Eternal WORD was not created (Duh)


Jon 19:25
For I know that my Redeemer lives,
And He shall stand at last on the earth; = JESUS stood on the earth = YHWH our Redeemer and King

YHWH/JESUS is Returning to earth and will Stand, again, on earth= Zechariah ch14


Behold, the day of the Lord/YHWH is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Then the Lord/YHWH will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
 
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1.) Spirit of God moved upon the waters and God Said = 3

2.) Let Us Make man in Our image according to Our Likeness = 3

3.) In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word is God = 3
etc.
This is turning into a Trinity discussion, which has been banned, so I'll have to stop responding to your posts. See Topics That Can No-Longer Be Discussed.
 
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Everyone except Enoch

Please re-examine Hebrews chapter 11 for you missed something, in addition to what i have posted, that explicitly excludes Enoch from the rest.

The Holy Spirit was specific in Genesis and again in Hebrews ch11 that Enoch "did not see/experience death"

he did not see
ἰδεῖν (idein)
Verb - Aorist Infinitive Active
Strong's Greek 3708: Properly, to stare at, i.e. to discern clearly; by extension, to attend to; by Hebraism, to experience; passively, to appear.

If you cannot find it let me know.

Peace
Hebrews 11:5 (KJV) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

SEE -

Strong's Greek Dictionary
1492. εἴδω eido (eídō)

Search for G1492 in KJVSL; in KJV.

εἴδω eídō, i'-do

a primary verb; used only in certain past tenses, the others being borrowed from the equivalent G3700 and G3708; properly, to see (literally or figuratively); by implication, (in the perfect tense only) to know:—be aware, behold, × can (+ not tell), consider, (have) know(-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wish, wot. Compare G3700.

verb

The verse indicates God translated Enoch so he should not be aware of death. Not that Enoch would not physically die, because all who are in Adam are destined to physically die (1Cor 15:22). When in life we walk with God, in death, we, like Enoch, are translated or transferred from physical life on this earth to spiritual life in heaven, a living spiritual soul. Since we have eternal life through Christ, physical death will be only death to our physical body. In death Enoch, being an Old Testament faithful saint, never being aware of death was of the Old Testament faithful waiting in the bosom of Abraham (under the altar Rev 6) of old for Messiah to come and take him to heaven. Scripture tells us that when our body dies, our spirit returns to God, Who gave it (Ecc 12:7).
 

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Hebrews 11:5 (KJV) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

SEE -

Strong's Greek Dictionary
1492. εἴδω eido (eídō)

Search for G1492 in KJVSL; in KJV.

εἴδω eídō, i'-do

a primary verb; used only in certain past tenses, the others being borrowed from the equivalent G3700 and G3708; properly, to see (literally or figuratively); by implication, (in the perfect tense only) to know:—be aware, behold, × can (+ not tell), consider, (have) know(-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wish, wot. Compare G3700.

verb

The verse indicates God translated Enoch so he should not be aware of death. Not that Enoch would not physically die, because all who are in Adam are destined to physically die (1Cor 15:22). When in life we walk with God, in death, we, like Enoch, are translated or transferred from physical life on this earth to spiritual life in heaven, a living spiritual soul. Since we have eternal life through Christ, physical death will be only death to our physical body. In death Enoch, being an Old Testament faithful saint, never being aware of death was of the Old Testament faithful waiting in the bosom of Abraham (under the altar Rev 6) of old for Messiah to come and take him to heaven. Scripture tells us that when our body dies, our spirit returns to God, Who gave it (Ecc 12:7).
The original text = both in Hebrew OT and then confirmed in NT Book of Hebrews is that Enoch did not experience death.

Enoch did not die = God took Him because he had this testimony: 'Enoch walked with God and Enoch PLEASED God'

Only the LORD Jesus has that Perfect Testimony with the FATHER = Enoch is a Prophecy of the coming Messiah/Jesus the Christ

Enoch was removed off the earth because God has a future plan for Enoch = same plan HE has for Elijah, who also was taken up.

The Book of Hebrews clearly and specifically differentiates Enoch from everyone else in chapter 11.

If you decide to go back and look a little more you will see it.

Peace and Thank You for your reply
 
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The original text = both in Hebrew OT and then confirmed in NT Book of Hebrews is that Enoch did not experience death.

Enoch did not die = God took Him because he had this testimony: 'Enoch walked with God and Enoch PLEASED God'

Only the LORD Jesus has that Perfect Testimony with the FATHER = Enoch is a Prophecy of the coming Messiah/Jesus the Christ

Enoch was removed off the earth because God has a future plan for Enoch = same plan HE has for Elijah, who also was taken up.

The Book of Hebrews clearly and specifically differentiates Enoch from everyone else in chapter 11.

If you decide to go back and look a little more you will see it.

Peace and Thank You for your reply

Enoch was never aware (experienced) of physically dying because God "took him" spiritually alive. Because Enoch was faithful in life, God accepted or reserved his life spiritually, not physically. Which is what "God took him" means. Enoch was not physically accepted and reserved, but as the Scripture teaches us, being a man of faith, Enoch went spiritually alive to the place of old reserved for Old Testament faithful saints. There Enoch waited spiritually alive for the promised Messiah to come and redeem him from the grave and take him to heaven. If Enoch did not physically die why does God tell us the "days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years"? That indicates the years of Enoch's physical life on earth that ended when God took him.

Genesis 5:22-24 (KJV) And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

GOD TOOK HIM -

Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
3947. לָקַח laqach (lâqach)

Search for H3947 in KJVSL; in KJV.

לָקַח lâqach, law-kakh'

a primitive root; to take (in the widest variety of applications):—accept, bring, buy, carry away, drawn, fetch, get, infold, × many, mingle, place, receive(-ing), reserve, seize, send for, take (away, -ing, up), use, win.

verb

Hebrews 11:5-6 (KJV) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Enoch was never aware of experiencing physical death because possessing spiritual life by grace through faith, Enoch had life everlasting. When Enoch came to the end of the physical days allotted to him (365 years), like Moses, he was no longer physically upon this earth, but spiritually Enoch still lived and waited under the altar (Rev 6:10-11) for the promised Messiah to come and take them with Him to heaven to wait for the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven to be complete.
 

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Enoch was never aware (experienced) of physically dying because God "took him" spiritually alive. Because Enoch was faithful in life, God accepted or reserved his life spiritually, not physically. Which is what "God took him" means. Enoch was not physically accepted and reserved, but as the Scripture teaches us, being a man of faith, Enoch went spiritually alive to the place of old reserved for Old Testament faithful saints. There Enoch waited spiritually alive for the promised Messiah to come and redeem him from the grave and take him to heaven. If Enoch did not physically die why does God tell us the "days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years"? That indicates the years of Enoch's physical life on earth that ended when God took him.

Genesis 5:22-24 (KJV) And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

GOD TOOK HIM -

Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
3947. לָקַח laqach (lâqach)

Search for H3947 in KJVSL; in KJV.

לָקַח lâqach, law-kakh'

a primitive root; to take (in the widest variety of applications):—accept, bring, buy, carry away, drawn, fetch, get, infold, × many, mingle, place, receive(-ing), reserve, seize, send for, take (away, -ing, up), use, win.

verb

Hebrews 11:5-6 (KJV) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Enoch was never aware of experiencing physical death because possessing spiritual life by grace through faith, Enoch had life everlasting. When Enoch came to the end of the physical days allotted to him (365 years), like Moses, he was no longer physically upon this earth, but spiritually Enoch still lived and waited under the altar (Rev 6:10-11) for the promised Messiah to come and take them with Him to heaven to wait for the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven to be complete.
Thank you again for your reply.

It is CLEAR from the Holy Spirit spoken Scripture that both Enoch and Elijah have yet to see death.

You can argue against Scripture all you like - it does not change = "It is written".

Hebrews chapter 11 clearly differentiates Enoch from the rest, if you are willing to see it.

The irony here is that those who do not accept what God says in the very Chapter of Faith that is the substance of things not seen......LOL
 
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Thank you again for your reply.

It is CLEAR from the Holy Spirit spoken Scripture that both Enoch and Elijah have yet to see death.

You can argue against Scripture all you like - it does not change = "It is written".

Hebrews chapter 11 clearly differentiates Enoch from the rest, if you are willing to see it.

The irony here is that those who do not accept what God says in the very Chapter of Faith that is the substance of things not seen..........lol

How do you reconcile your opinion against the plain wording of Scripture?

1 Corinthians 15:22 (KJV) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 5:12 (KJV) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Nowhere does Scripture speak of Enoch or Elijah never physically dying. You must read that opinion into the text. You are in fact arguing from Scriptural silence, which is not using sound hermeneutics.
 

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How do you reconcile your opinion against the plain wording of Scripture?

1 Corinthians 15:22 (KJV) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 5:12 (KJV) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Nowhere does Scripture speak of Enoch or Elijah never physically dying. You must read that opinion into the text. You are in fact arguing from Scriptural silence, which is not using sound hermeneutics.
You cannot prove a negative = "Did God really say..." = "no where does scripture say E&E never physically die"

God only gives us the option of YES or NO

Matthew 5:37 - But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.

Enoch and Elijah will be put to death = according to God's Will and not man's will.

There is not a single account given in Scripture that shows, specific to Enoch and Elijah, that they died(yet).

Therefore God's words, thru faith, are confirmed by 'YES' = Hebrews ch11

Doubting what God has said is confirmed by 'NO'.

Once again proving the irony of those who say 'NO' to Hebrews chapter 11 concerning Enoch.
 
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You cannot prove a negative = "Did God really say..."

God only gives us the option of YES or NO

Matthew 5:37 - But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.

Enoch and Elijah will be put to death = according to God's Will and not man's will.

There is not a single account given in Scripture that shows, specific to Enoch and Elijah, that they died - yet.

Does or does not the Scripture clearly show that all, or every human being is destined to physically die? Since both Enoch and Elijah were human beings, born of flesh, they, like even Moses have physically died! I can't help but notice that you gave no answer for how you reconcile the plain wording of Scripture with your unbiblical opinion! Every human is appointed a time to be born and a time to die! There are no exceptions, even our Lord and Savior being born a man had to physically die.

Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Ecclesiastes 3:2 (KJV) A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
 

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Does or does not the Scripture clearly show that all, or every human being is destined to physically die? Since both Enoch and Elijah were human beings, born of flesh, they, like even Moses have physically died! I can't help but notice that you gave no answer for how you reconcile the plain wording of Scripture with your unbiblical opinion! Every human is appointed a time to be born and a time to die! There are no exceptions, even our Lord and Savior being born a man had to physically die.

Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Ecclesiastes 3:2 (KJV) A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
You asked: "Does or does not the Scripture clearly show that all, or every human being is destined to physically die?"
Answer = No - not every human will experience death.

Answer = 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep/died.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
the dead in Christ will rise first.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words

YES or NO = JESUS wants to know = from you
 
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Does or does not the Scripture clearly show that all, or every human being is destined to physically die?
Answer = No - not every human will experience death.

Answer = 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
the dead in Christ will rise first.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words

YES or NO = JESUS wants to know = from you

How does this passage prove that not every human is appointed to physical or mortal death? Believers alive at the second coming of the Lord are caught up to Christ in the air when the last trumpet sounds, and changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible. When we are mortal beings we are destined to death, without exception. Believers alive at His coming are no longer mortal, but changed, putting on immortality which is deathlessness. What does it mean to be changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible at His coming again?

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
 

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How does this passage prove that not every human is appointed to physical or mortal death? Believers alive at the second coming of the Lord are caught up to Christ in the air when the last trumpet sounds, and changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible. When we are mortal beings we are destined to death, without exception. Believers alive at His coming are no longer mortal, but changed, putting on immortality which is deathlessness. What does it mean to be changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible at His coming again?

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians chapter 15 = 100% Truth = every word of it

The Holy Spirit, as recorded in chapter 15, does not say that when we are "Transformed" that we will experience death.

It says that we will "put off" the mortal thru TRANSFORMATION into Immortal and that this will happen in a "INSTANT" = split second.
 
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1 Corinthians chapter 15 = 100% Truth = every word of it

The Holy Spirit, as recorded in chapter 15, does not say that when we are "Transformed" that we will experience death.

It says that we will "put off" the mortal thru TRANSFORMATION into Immortal and that this will happen in a "INSTANT" = split second.

I've not said otherwise! Again you fail to answer, "What does it mean to be changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible at His coming again?"
 

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I've not said otherwise! Again you fail to answer, "What does it mean to be changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible at His coming again?"
Your answer: a + b = C

a.) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery:
We shall not all sleep(die/death), but we shall all be changedin a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

b.)1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians chapter 15 Paul clearly states those who are alive at the Coming of the Lord will not die.

a + b = Coming of Christ

If you do not understand this - let me know.
 
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Your answer: a + b = C

a.) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery:
We shall not all sleep(die/death), but we shall all be changedin a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

b.)1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians chapter 15 Paul clearly states those are alive at the Coming of the Lord will not die.

a + b = Coming of Christ

If you do not understand this - let me know.
I am the first and the last . I am alpha and omega . GOD says this more than once .
Now let us read near the end of revelations , we will hear it again being said by ,
drum roll................................JESUS CHRIST .
exactly . GOD IS HIS WORD and HIS WORD IS HE . Praise the glorious God and Father of our Lord and savoir Christ Jesus .
The very word of GOD that became flesh . He was in the world , he made the world and yet it knew him not .
IN GENESIS its real clear who MADE the WORLD , GOD SPOKE and it was . Yes indeed .
GOD is HIS WORD as HE IS HIS SPIRIT . LET THE KING be praised . lift those hands .
This is a mystery indeed .
 

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I am the first and the last . I am alpha and omega . GOD says this more than once .
Now let us read near the end of revelations , we will hear it again being said by ,
drum roll................................JESUS CHRIST .
exactly . GOD IS HIS WORD and HIS WORD IS HE . Praise the glorious God and Father of our Lord and savoir Christ Jesus .
The very word of GOD that became flesh . He was in the world , he made the world and yet it knew him not .
IN GENESIS its real clear who MADE the WORLD , GOD SPOKE and it was . Yes indeed .
GOD is HIS WORD as HE IS HIS SPIRIT . LET THE KING be praised . lift those hands .
This is a mystery indeed .
Very few see what you SEE - Rejoice, for flesh and blood has not revealed it to you.......
 
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