Abortion

[Naomanos]

You have judged yourself every time you defend murdering babies for sinners.

Baby murderers will burn in Hell, "forever and ever"!

No, you sit in judgment of me and then with the next sentence, judge others. I have not judged myself. That is you, yet again.

You, who don't seem to understand basic biology. If the mother dies, the fetus dies too if not past the point of viability. There is no way the fetus survives without its mother and her womb. If the fetus is killing the mother, the fetus dies with her. She is not murdering anything. The fetus is already dying. It has no chance of survival. The mother shouldn't die along with it, especially if she has other children to take care of.

"Blessed are the merciful. They will receive mercy."

I am being very merciful, towards the mother. Are you showing her mercy by judging her and condemning her?

Jesus said and I quoted, "Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn, and you will not be condemned." you have judged and condemned.

I forgive you your trespass though.

 

[Jack]

No, you sit in judgment of me and then with the next sentence, judge others. I have not judged myself. That is you, yet again.

You say kill babies because sinful doctors say so. How am I judging you???

You, who don't seem to understand basic biology. If the mother dies, the fetus dies too if not past the point of viability. There is no way the fetus survives without its mother and her womb. If the fetus is killing the mother, the fetus dies with her. She is not murdering anything. The fetus is already dying. It has no chance of survival. The mother shouldn't die along with it, especially if she has other children to take care of.

You're ignoring God's promises and warnings and promoting doctors opinions.

I am being very merciful, towards the mother.

Yeah, sinful women who want to kill their sinless innocent babies.

Are you showing her mercy by judging her and condemning her?

No, it's her choice to kill her baby, and yours.

Jesus said and I quoted, "Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn, and you will not be condemned." you have judged and condemned.

I forgive you your trespass though.

You forgive me for defending sinless babies?

 

[Naomanos]

You say kill babies because doctors say so. How am I judging you???

Baby murderers will burn in Hell, "forever and ever"! And so will those who support abortion.

Those are your above words. You are judging me and women who have abortions for medical reasons.

Do you not go to a mechanic when your car needs to be fixed? People go to the doctor when there is a medical problem. Doctors have earned the right to be listened to. You don't want to listen to the doctor, that is on you. I do listen to the doctor when he says I have something wrong.

You're ignoring God's promises and warnings and promoting doctors opinions.

Still waiting for scripture that you have yet to provide that says all fetuses will survive when in utero.

Yeah, sinful women who want to kill their babies.

I have explained umpteen times that the fetus is going to die anyway. Both do not need to die when one can live.

No, it's her choice to kill her baby, and yours.

Your words say otherwise about judging and condemning her and me. Here they are again:

Baby murderers will burn in Hell, "forever and ever"! And so will those who support abortion.

You forgive me for defending sinless babies?

I forgive you for condemning me to hell.

 

[Jack]

Those are your above words. You are judging me and women who have abortions for medical reasons.

This is a Christian forum. Christians do not kill their babies to save themselves. They trust God!

Do you not go to a mechanic when your car needs to be fixed? People go to the doctor when there is a medical problem. Doctors have earned the right to be listened to. You don't want to listen to the doctor, that is on you. I do listen to the doctor when he says I have something wrong.

Doctors' opinions often kill people.

Still waiting for scripture that you have yet to provide that says all fetuses will survive when in utero.

How evasive!

I have explained umpteen times that the fetus is going to die anyway. Both do not need to die when one can live.

Because a sinful doctor told you?

Your words say otherwise about judging and condemning her and me. Here they are again:

You have chosen to kill babies to save sinful women. Don't blame me.

I forgive you for condemning me to hell.

Baby murderers are not in Hell yet. There may be hope!

 

[Naomanos]

This is a Christian forum. Christians do not kill their babies to save themselves. They trust God!

Some don't and still die and instead of only one dead, now the mothernis dead to and the family is left reeling from a death that could have been prevented. If she had other children, those children are left motherless.

You tell others what you want to tell them and I will tell them what I will tell them.

Doctors' opinions often kill people.

Doctors' knowledge often saves lives as well.

How evasive!

You're projecting!

Because a sinful doctor told you?

I've seen it happen. I don't need a doctor to tell me that if the mother dies because the fetus or pregnancy kills her, that the fetus dies too when not past the stage of viability. It's called basic biology.

You have chosen to kill babies to save sinful women. Don't blame me.

Don't blame you for condemning and judging? Your own words betray you. Here they are once again:

Baby murderers will burn in Hell, "forever and ever"! And so will those who support abortion.

Baby murderers are not in Hell yet. There may be hope!

Now you're backtracking. If a woman chooses an abortion because the fetus is going to die anyway and kill them too, they aren't murdering their fetus. The fetus was going to die anyway and This is your opinion and nothing more. Both do not need to die when one can live.

 

[Naomanos]

That was my last reply in this thread. I have repeated myself enough and it has become a circular argument.

In my prayers this morning on the way to work I was reminded of this Proverb:

"Do not answer fools according to their folly, or you will be a fool yourself." Proverbs 26:4

I certainly have been a fool myself answering folly.

 

[Stan B]

This is my point from my last post. You have a different opinion to others in this thread, rather than state your prospective you add accusations …….
I have a slightly different prospective to you and Jack , all of us are Christian’s who have looked at scripture and we have reached different conclusions. I would say that I am pro life , but I recognise there are medical emergencies that would hinder ‘ life ‘…….it doesn’t mean I support those making millions out of abortions in the USA , it doesn’t mean I support a certain party , I don’t.
My son, Who is also a Christian, would support your conclusion Stan. However we don’t choose to name call or accuse one another of being in a cult just because we have opposing views on the matter. We don’t accuse each other of not being a Christian because of the differing views , we talk, we discuss, we listen to each other, we debate and then agree to disagree.
Rita

I don’t see anything offensive about using the word “cult”. It simply refers to a system of beliefs, like denomination, Baptist or Muslim, etc. It is a great word to convey an idea in the English language.

 

[Rita]

I don’t see anything offensive about using the word “cult”. It simply refers to a system of beliefs, like denomination, Baptist or Muslim, etc. It is a great word to convey an idea in the English language.

Sadly on the forum it tends to be used in a negative way to describe a group of people outside of the Kingdom , or aimed at someone the writer believes is in a negative kind of group.

 

[Stan B]

Sadly on the forum it tends to be used in a negative way to describe a group of people outside of the Kingdom , or aimed at someone the writer believes is in a negative kind of group.

Are there bad groups of ideologies (cults) that hang out here? Efforts to hide who they are, merely serves to protect Satan’s servants from being revealed! Not a really good idea. We should be able to discuss theology openly and HONESTLY without fear of breaking rules that only protect the dark side. ??

 

[Rita]

Are there bad groups of ideologies (cults) that hang out here? Efforts to hide who they are, merely serves to protect Satan’s servants from being revealed! Not a really good idea. We should be able to discuss theology openly and HONESTLY without fear of breaking rules that only protect the dark side. ??

I posted my opinion as a member of this forum and ‘ in my opinion ‘ the word cult is thrown around in a negative way ‘ …….

 

[Jack]

Some don't and still die and instead of only one dead, now the mothernis dead to and the family is left reeling from a death that could have been prevented. If she had other children, those children are left motherless.

Fairy tale! Christians don't murder their babies. They pray for help, and God answers.

You tell others what you want to tell them and I will tell them what I will tell them.

I tell them to trust God's promises. Do you know any of God's promises?

Doctors' knowledge often saves lives as well.

Doctors are not God. He's much better at saving lives.

You're projecting!

I've seen it happen. I don't need a doctor to tell me that if the mother dies because the fetus or pregnancy kills her, that the fetus dies too when not past the stage of viability. It's called basic biology.

Have you heard of Theology? I highly recommend it.

Don't blame you for condemning and judging? Your own words betray you. Here they are once again:

"Baby murderers will burn in Hell, "forever and ever"! And so will those who support abortion."

That's FACT!

Now you're backtracking. If a woman chooses an abortion because the fetus is going to die anyway and kill them too, they aren't murdering their fetus. The fetus was going to die anyway and This is your opinion and nothing more. Both do not need to die when one can live.

You're spewing Big Pharma propaganda. Christians trust God. They don't murder their babies to save their own lives. They pray for help. God answers.

 

[MissKate13]

Do you believe someone can be Christian and support aborting millions of unborn babies?

“Thou shalt not kill!” That comes direct from our God.

However, we need to let God be the judge of those who call themselves Christians and support abortion. It’s not our call to make. The best we can do is to show them God’s truth in the most loving way we can.

 

[Stan B]

“Thou shalt not kill!” That comes direct from our God.

However, we need to let God be the judge of those who call themselves Christians and support abortion. It’s not our call to make. The best we can do is to show them God’s truth in the most loving way we can.

You have declared “Thou shalt no kill” which comes directly from God. That does not come from God; it comes from that ancient flawed KJV. What God says is “Thou shalt not murder”, which is the unlawful taking of life.

Which laws are being broken in securing an abortion?? Scriptural or civil?

 

[Jack]

You have declared “Thou shalt no kill” which comes directly from God. That does not come from God; it comes from that ancient flawed KJV. What God says is “Thou shalt not murder”, which is the unlawful taking of life.

Which laws are being broken in securing an abortion?? Scriptural or civil?

Why kill babies Stan? God is going to be as merciful or unmerciful to you as you are to babies!

 

[Stan B]

Why kill babies Stan? God is going to be as merciful or unmerciful to you as you are to babies!

I have no idea what god you are talking about, but the God of the Bible had no problem in killing babies.

- In Noahic flood, God killed every baby on earth! How many do you figure He killed?

- When God destroyed Sodom and Gommorah. how many babies do you figure He killed then.

- When God ordered Israel to kill ALL the midianites, how many babies do you figure were killed?

But babies are a blessing, and good to be eaten for food during hard times:
"The most gentle and refined woman among you, so gentle and refined she would not venture to set the sole of her foot on the ground, will begrudge the husband she embracese and her son and daughter the afterbirth that comes from between her legs and the children she bears, because she will secretly eat them for lack of anything else in the siege and distress that your enemy will inflict on you within your gates. Deut 28:56

Your religion doesn't seem to like God's values and His idea of morality.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Sure,
I have seen the disgusting methods, stomach churning, heart wrenching videos.

I have been expressly clear.
I support Liberty.
I do not support Abortions.
The US government was not given authority to legislate power over fetus’.
A fetus is not a Person.
Every individual is (should be) accountable for their own choices.

What is your point?
That...? I should be out marching against those who advocate abortions?

No, those marching for abortions or against them are wrong for doing so. Both organizations are trying to force people What choice they must make or how they should believe. Every individual is responsible to God when it comes to such choices.
God doesn't want people to be forced into believing his way. The True God YHWH wants people to make good moral choices because of their love for him.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

So, how long did Kingdom Hall influence YOUR beliefs? 30, 40 years maybe?

Obviously long enough to know that the True God wants a person to make good moral choices because of their love for him. Not because some human organization is trying to force a law concerning some moral law down a persons throat. I'm against abortion but I understand that the True God YHWH doesn't want me out there trying to force his way or his law on people. You can't force people to love someone. You can't even force people to love the True God. Truly loving the True God comes from a willing heart, not from some human organization trying to force you to love him.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

It's a very simple question Barney. Do you need permission from Kingdom Hall? 30 years? 40 years?

Your question was answered Jack. You just want to argue. I don't care about arguing with someone when that person knows the answer I gave him is true.

 

[Jack]

Your question was answered Jack. You just want to argue. I don't care about arguing with someone when that person knows the answer I gave him is true.

Please give the link where you answered how long you studied at Kingdom Hall.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Please give the link where you answered how long you studied at Kingdom Hall.

See, this tells me either you can't follow along with what I'm texting, or you just want to argue. When I said, "I don't care about arguing with someone when that person knows the answer I gave him is true." The answer I was talking about is when I said, "The True God wants a person to make good moral choices because of their love for him. Not because some human organization is trying to force people to obey some moral law down a persons throat."