Abortion

[Stan B]

I have just read through most of this thread and quite honestly I wonder if it has run its course. Half the time the actual question being asked was not addressed, no one has actually voted and it’s just turned into an argument on the subject of abortion itself……
The question is about one thing , supporting planned parenthood , yet it’s overlapped into a benchmark for whether someone is a Christian or not.
The OP asks a question but the writer of the post already has made his mind up which means it’s not really an open discussion but a platform to be critical of others.

There are really only two choices: Follow what Scripture says; OR follow some anti-Biblical cult.

I have always been of the opinion that SCRIPTURE was the foundation for this forum. When that changes . . . .

 

[Naomanos]

quite evasive

Still projecting I see.

 

[Rita]

I think this is the DEBATE forum. Argument? What's the difference? They are synonyms. You are probably right though, it has run it's course since the pro abortion folks are quite evasive and mostly Dems.

I personally believe there are different kinds of debates, good and bad ones. Good ones tend to allow for different views to be aired and discussed in civil ways, bad ones tend to consist of accusations if someone has a different views !!!

 

[Rita]

There are really only two choices: Follow what Scripture says; OR follow some anti-Biblical cult.

I have always been of the opinion that SCRIPTURE was the foundation for this forum. When that changes . . . .

This is my point from my last post. You have a different opinion to others in this thread, rather than state your prospective you add accusations …….
I have a slightly different prospective to you and Jack , all of us are Christian’s who have looked at scripture and we have reached different conclusions. I would say that I am pro life , but I recognise there are medical emergencies that would hinder ‘ life ‘…….it doesn’t mean I support those making millions out of abortions in the USA , it doesn’t mean I support a certain party , I don’t.
My son, Who is also a Christian, would support your conclusion Stan. However we don’t choose to name call or accuse one another of being in a cult just because we have opposing views on the matter. We don’t accuse each other of not being a Christian because of the differing views , we talk, we discuss, we listen to each other, we debate and then agree to disagree.
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[Jack]

Still projecting I see.

You still haven't provided the link where you answered my question. No "projection" needed.

"Would you kill your baby to save your own life?"

 

[Jack]

I personally believe there are different kinds of debates, good and bad ones. Good ones tend to allow for different views to be aired and discussed in civil ways, bad ones tend to consist of accusations if someone has a different views !!!

You should join the discussion. Maybe you should answer my simple question.

 

[Naomanos]

You still haven't provided the link where you answered my question. No "projection" needed.

"Would you kill your baby to save your own life?"

I'm not evading the question. I already answered it. Go back and look at what I answered.

You know what, I'll answer it.

If I was a woman and the fetus was going to die and if I didn't have an abortion, I too would die, I would have the abortion. The fetus will die one way or the other. If it kills me, then it dies anyway. If it was dying, then it was dying anyway.

The abortion will save at least one life and she can maybe have another child down the road.

If you're gonna give me that is dem propaganda, then you need to prove that it is.

 

[Jack]

I'm not evading the question. I already answered it. Go back and look at what I answered.

You know what, I'll answer it.

If I was a woman and the fetus was going to die and if I didn't have an abortion, I too would die, I would have the abortion. The fetus will die one way or the other. If it kills me, then it dies anyway. If it was dying, then it was dying anyway.

The abortion will save at least one life and she can maybe have another child down the road.

If you're gonna give me that is dem propaganda, then you need to prove that it is.

You would kill your baby if you burn in Hell for doing so?

 

[Naomanos]

You would kill your baby if you burn in Hell for doing so?

I am not going to burn in hell. I'm wondering if you aren't comprehending what you're reading.

If the fetus is dying and killing the mother, both will die. If the pregnancy is killing the mother, they both will die because, without a womb, the fetus dies too. If the mother dies, so does the fetus if the fetus has not reached viability. This is basic biology. If I was a woman and had to make the choice, and the fetus was dying and I would die with it, yes, I would get an abortion because I know that Jesus is more merciful than any human can ever hope to achieve and would know it wasn't done for malicious reasons. It wasn't done out of convenience or because I didn't want the pregnancy. It was done because either way, the fetus would have died.

At what point do two deaths equal good if one can be prevented by the woman having an abortion?

 

[Jack]

I am not going to burn in hell. I'm wondering if you aren't comprehending what you're reading.

If the fetus is dying and killing the mother, both will die. If the pregnancy is killing the mother, they both will die because, without a womb, the fetus dies too. If the mother dies, so does the fetus if the fetus has not reached viability. This is basic biology. If I was a woman and had to make the choice, and the fetus was dying and I would die with it, yes, I would get an abortion because I know that Jesus is more merciful than any human can ever hope to achieve and would know it wasn't done for malicious reasons. It wasn't done out of convenience or because I didn't want the pregnancy. It was done because either way, the fetus would have died.

At what point do two deaths equal good if one can be prevented by the woman having an abortion?

I think Hell will be filled with pro abortionists. I would choose to die rather than kill my own child and burn in Hell "forever and ever" with Satan. No wonder America is on death's door.

 

[Naomanos]

I think Hell will be filled with pro abortionists. I would choose to die rather than kill my own child and burn in Hell "forever and ever" with Satan.

Yep, gonna go with not comprehending.

If your wife or daughter is faced with either having an abortion for a fetus that is going to die anyway and kill them too are you going to tell them that they cannot have an abortion and they must die along with the fetus?

 

[Jack]

I am not going to burn in hell. I'm wondering if you aren't comprehending what you're reading.

If the fetus is dying and killing the mother, both will die. If the pregnancy is killing the mother, they both will die because, without a womb, the fetus dies too. If the mother dies, so does the fetus if the fetus has not reached viability. This is basic biology. If I was a woman and had to make the choice, and the fetus was dying and I would die with it, yes, I would get an abortion because I know that Jesus is more merciful than any human can ever hope to achieve and would know it wasn't done for malicious reasons. It wasn't done out of convenience or because I didn't want the pregnancy. It was done because either way, the fetus would have died.

At what point do two deaths equal good if one can be prevented by the woman having an abortion?

I think Hell will be filled with pro abortionists. I would choose to die rather than kill my own child and burn in Hell "forever and ever" with Satan.

Yep, gonna go with not comprehending.

If your wife or daughter is faced with either having an abortion for a fetus that is going to die anyway and kill them too are you going to tell them that they cannot have an abortion and they must die along with the fetus?

If they are Christians I would tell them it's much better to die and be with Jesus than to murder your baby and burn in Hell.

 

[Naomanos]

I think Hell will be filled with pro abortionists. I would choose to die rather than kill my own child and burn in Hell "forever and ever" with Satan.

Good thing I don't support abortion willy-nilly. So no hell for me. I also think you will be surprised who ends up in Heaven when you thought otherwise.

If they are Christians I would tell them it's much better to die and be with Jesus than to murder your baby and burn in Hell.

So even if the fetus is going to die anyway, and they aren't murdering it by having the abortion as either way it will die, you would still tell them to die?

 

[Jack]

Good thing I don't support abortion willy-nilly. So no hell for me.



So even if the fetus is going to die anyway, and they aren't murdering it by having the abortion as either way it will die, you would still tell them to die?

If??? The medical professions makes LOTS of mistakes and wrong diagnoses. Fetus? You mean baby?

 

[Naomanos]

If??? The medical professions makes LOTS of mistakes and wrong diagnoses. Fetus? You mean baby?

They can, yes. What if this is the correct diagnosis as they do make the correct ones as well?

 

[Jack]

They can, yes. What if this is the correct diagnosis as they do make the correct ones as well?

If? What IF you advise to kill a healthy baby? Doctors make lots of mistakes! How much do doctors get paid when they kill a baby? I'd bet it's a LOT.

 

[Naomanos]

If? What IF you advise to kill a healthy baby? Doctors make lots of mistakes! How much do doctors get paid when they kill a baby? I'd bet it's a LOT.

We would be sure that it isn't. They make the right decision the majority of the time. Do you think doctors take pleasure in doing abortions? Especially, when it's life or death for the mother?

I have said it before. I have transported women that had to have an abortion because the pregnancy or the fetus was killing them.

 

[Jack]

We would be sure that it isn't. They make the right decision the majority of the time. Do you think doctors take pleasure in doing abortions? Especially, when it's life or death for the mother?

I have said it before. I have transported women that had to have an abortion because the pregnancy or the fetus was killing them.

Do doctors live in mansions? Do doctors get paid when the patient dies? A true Christian would give his life to save another, not take a life to save his own.

 

[Naomanos]

Do doctors live in mansions? Do doctors get paid when the patient dies?

What does any of that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Look, I get it. You are for the mother dying instead of having the abortion to save her life. Good on ya! I can see that there is no changing your mind. That is your right to your opinion and I have my right to my opinion and not changing my mind.

I will see you in heaven.

 

[Jack]

What does any of that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Nothing. lol

Look, I get it. You are for the mother dying instead of having the abortion to save her life.

I'm for a mother dying and being with Jesus rather than killing her baby and spending eternity in Hell. And that is exactly what I would do myself.

Good on ya! I can see that there is no changing your mind. That is your right to your opinion and I have my right to my opinion and not changing my mind.

I will see you in heaven.

It's all about $$$. Planned Parenthood doesn't donate MILLIONS of $$$ to the Dems for no reason.