23 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine!

[Timtofly]

Not true! You cannot support your wild speculations with hard Scripture. One just has to read back on any thread and they will see reams of private interpretation.

Amil is a private interpretation.

 

[WPM]

Also the beginning of the Millennium without sin and death. Without deception and corruption. Israel will be the Nation, Jesus as King will rule from over the other Nations.

Israel will be saved and front and center. The end of the fulness of the Gentiles age.

Give us Scripture for all this.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Give us Scripture for all this.

You might as well tell him to give you a million dollars. They have the same chances of happening.

 

[WPM]

You might as well tell him to give you a million dollars. They have the same chances of happening.

Exactly. So true!

 

[Timtofly]

Exactly. So true!

Point out in history where sin has been removed from the earth as you claim Daniel 9:24 has been fulfilled, and sin stopped existing in your ideological world view.

 

[WPM]

Point out in history where sin has been removed from the earth as you claim Daniel 9:24 has been fulfilled, and sin stopped existing in your ideological world view.

The entire prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 covers a period of "seventy weeks." There is no reason to understand it other than a period that applies to one complete, sequential block of time. After all, if God fulfilled the first 70 here (in Daniel 9:21-24) literally and harmoniously in an undivided manner, why would he not do the same with the second 70 (in Daniel 9:25-26)?

A literal straightforward reading of Daniel 9 would assume the 70th week to follow immediately after the 69th week. If it does not then it cannot properly be called the 70th week! It is illogical to insert a 2,000-year gap between the 69th and the 70th week, especially when no hint of a gap is found in the prophecy itself. What is more, there is no gap between the first 7 weeks and the following 62 weeks. Why insert one between the 69th and the 70th week?

 

[WPM]

Point out in history where sin has been removed from the earth as you claim Daniel 9:24 has been fulfilled, and sin stopped existing in your ideological world view.

1. Give us Scripture that teaches that a future millennium will be without sin and death?
2. Give us Scripture that teaches that a future millennium will be without deception and corruption?
3. Give us Scripture that teaches that Israel will be saved and be front and center during a future millennium?
4. Give us Scripture that teaches that Jesus as king will rule over the other nations throughout a future millennium?
5. Give us Scripture that teaches that the beginning of the millennium will see the end of the fulness of the Gentiles age?

I will not hold my breath. You seem to make it up as you go.

 

[covenantee]

Point out in history where sin has been removed from the earth as you claim Daniel 9:24 has been fulfilled, and sin stopped existing in your ideological world view.

Point out in pre-19th century orthodox Christian history where any recognized defender of the true faith denied that Daniel 9:24 has been fulfilled.

 

[WPM]

Point out in pre-19th century orthodox Christian history where any recognized defender of the true faith denied that Daniel 9:24 has been fulfilled.

He cannot even show any justification for a gap-theory.

 

[Keraz]

He cannot even show any justification for a gap-theory.

There is in fact; no justification for there not to be a gap between the 69th week and the 70th.
Many have tried to place the final 7 years in the first Century, They all fail to make a viable case.

We all agree that that 7 years is divided into 2 halves.
The time periods of 3 1/2 years, 42 months and 1260 days as given to us in Daniel and Revelation, is proof enough of the second half of the 7 years before Jesus Returns.
The first half, will be a time of peace, as the peace agreement, Daniel 9:27, holds.

 

[Christian Gedge]

There is in fact; no justification for there not to be a gap between the 69th week and the 70th.
Many have tried to place the final 7 years in the first Century, They all fail to make a viable case.

• 457 BC Emperors decree
• plus 7 weeks till end of the prophets
• plus 62 weeks till Messiah manifest
• plus 1 week till gospel going to the gentiles

Whats not viable about that @Keraz?

 

[covenantee]

There is in fact; no justification for there not to be a gap between the 69th week and the 70th.
Many have tried to place the final 7 years in the first Century, They all fail to make a viable case.

We all agree that that 7 years is divided into 2 halves.
The time periods of 3 1/2 years, 42 months and 1260 days as given to us in Daniel and Revelation, is proof enough of the second half of the 7 years before Jesus Returns.
The first half, will be a time of peace, as the peace agreement, Daniel 9:27, holds.

What to believe?

1. Two centuries of modernist dispensational delusion and denial.
2. Seventeen centuries of historical united orthodox Christian testimony.

No viable case hint needed.

 

[WPM]

There is in fact; no justification for there not to be a gap between the 69th week and the 70th.
Many have tried to place the final 7 years in the first Century, They all fail to make a viable case.

We all agree that that 7 years is divided into 2 halves.
The time periods of 3 1/2 years, 42 months and 1260 days as given to us in Daniel and Revelation, is proof enough of the second half of the 7 years before Jesus Returns.
The first half, will be a time of peace, as the peace agreement, Daniel 9:27, holds.

There is no consistency in Premil hermeneutics. They make it up as they go to suit their teaching.

Daniel 9:2 says: “In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplication, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes.”

Are these seventy years linear, congruent and sequential?

 

[Christian Gedge]

Are these seventy years linear, congruent and sequential?

Good question. And they are in context with Daniels 490 years. Both are related to the Sabbatical system, both are linear, congruent and sequential. Neither are based on Andersons 360-day year theory.

 

[WPM]

Good question. And they are in context with Daniels 490 years. Both are related to the Sabbatical system, both are linear, congruent and sequential. Neither are based on Andersons 360-day year theory.

Absolutely bro. This is nothing but horrible, bias and inconsistent hermeneutics. Futurist and Preterista do this on opposite sides of the equation.

 

[covenantee]

Absolutely bro. This is nothing but horrible, bias and inconsistent hermeneutics. Futurist and Preterista do this on opposite sides of the equation.

Futurista and Preterista.

Both originated in the domicile of the Cosa Nostra.

 

[WPM]

That is beyond absurd. Multiple related and relevant Scriptures exist to aid and facilitate the correct and accurate determination and establishment of context. Without their inclusion, exegesis becomes eisegesis, and correct Scriptural interpretation becomes incorrect private interpretation.

This is no surprise coming from a dispensationalist, but it does explain the egregious chaotic interpretive shipwreck that characterizes dispensationalism.

It must also be recognized that grammar supersedes context as the first priority in interpretive analysis, because the rules of grammar are objective, rather than context, which is subjective. This too is frequently flouted in dispensationalism, but is of essential interpretive importance.

By the way bro. This statement is very powerful. It is true and inspired.

Do you mind if I quote some of this when addressing corroboration?

 

[covenantee]

By the way bro. This statement is very powerful. It is true and inspired.

Do you mind if I quote some of this when addressing corroboration?

Thank you bro. You may use it unreservedly in your own inspirational exegeses. Thanks.

 

[WPM]

Thank you bro. You may use it unreservedly in your own inspirational exegeses. Thanks.

I really mean it. God helped you put that together. Very powerful!

 

[Keraz]

Its sad that so many Christians are clueless about what God has planned for us during the end times.
But that is how God wants it to be, so when the test comes it will weed out the ones who fail to trust the Lord for their protection.

CG: please do a calculation of 1260 days after the Crucifixion, [or more likely; the day Jesus was acclaimed as King] What date it was and exactly what happened that day to complete the 70th 'week;, as you contend.