The folly of Preterism

[WPM]

The evidence presented was presented to people way longer ago than before we were even thought of existing. People dismiss the fact of a living, breathing, community of Jewish people that were among the Lord when he had come. There are promised prophecies about the divorcing of the nation of Israel for their crimes. Even though our own sin put Jesus on the cross which he willingly took for us. Israel was under a different set of rules compared to the gentiles; in which the wrath of God was to come upon them materially destroying everything leaving them desolated.

Because of these evidences, are reason to support and believe Jesus and his words and his apostles words.

Jesus said it would be a one time event that would never happen again, and said it would be within that generation to come about upon them.

These are direct evidences and examples of the promises of Jesus to come.

So if Jesus never came?

Throw away your bibles, you should not trust it. Jesus is a liar to those people then, and that one time event is never gonna happen anyway; which did in fact happen in seeing that Jesus prophecy in those days came true as his dawning of his arrival had slowly approached giving time for people to turn, or not in which they would suffer the wrath of God.


In revelations it talks about the plagues and boils all being poured out on to the earth the land, Jerusalem for whoring around and as divorced materially and the bride taken spiritually were the ones whom saved from those horrors that came upon them, but many discredit the first people whom came upon these discoveries as they were living in the very time of seeing it all come about. The kingdom today is heavenly, and people become part of the kingdom by faith.

Your theology is messed up. You are making the coming of Titus in AD70 the pivotal moment in history. That is all you and Full Preterists want to talk about. You never want to engage on the future coming of Christ and the future literal general judgment and resurrection and introduction of incorruption. You never want to talk about the First Advent and the earthly ministry of Christ. All you want to talk about is the coming of Titus in AD70.

 

[WPM]

Jesus said it would be a one time event that would never happen again, and said it would be within that generation to come about upon them.

Jesus states in Matthew 24:34: “Verily I say unto you, This generation [Gr. genea] shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

Let us look at the meaning of genea. Let us look at Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament. You have to in order for Preterism to fit. Preterists are typically very bias and selective in their quotes in order to sustain their position. This is not being fair or accurate. It is not being totally honest and transparent.

The reality is: Preterists insist on a secondary meaning of the Greek word genea to support their beliefs. This shows the fragility of the whole doctrine. It is manifestly not built on solid ground.

Both the Greek words genos and genea refer to race – in this case the Jewish race. I believe it means “this race” - as in "the successive members of a particular genealogy." Notwithstanding, the detail before the references to “this generation” in the parallel passages describe the second coming of Jesus in the future, not the coming of Titus in AD70. So, even if a limited physical generation was required of the text, it would be one preceding Christ’s return.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:23-34: “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

Jesus said in Mark 13:21-30: “And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.”

Jesus said in Luke 21:25-32: “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.”

The word genea means:

1) fathered, birth, nativity
2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
2a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
2b) metaphorically a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
2b1) especially in a bad sense, a perverse nation
3) the whole multitude of men living at the same time
4) an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years

Different translations and Bible scholars interpret it in different ways. Many good Bible students see it my way, many your way. I do not limit its meaning to a 40-year generation as Preterism must to sustain its school of thought. It can equally and fairly broadly describe time-periods (a literal generation or age) or natural descendants (a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits or men of the same stock).

The root word for genea is genos (Strong’s 1085), which means race, kindred, offspring, family, stock, tribe, nation, i.e. nationality or descent from a particular people.

Acts 13:26 talks about “children of the stock [Gr. genos] of Abraham” and Philippians 3:5 those “of the stock [Gr. genos] of Israel.” The Bible is here speaking in a natural sense.

The root word of genos is ginomai (Strong’s 1096), which literally means to gen-erate.

Matthew 24:34 is telling us that the Jewish race would not pass away until all things are fulfilled. Israel is an ongoing generation.

 

[MatthewG]

Your theology is messed up. You are making the coming of Titus in AD70 the pivotal moment in history. That is all you and Full Preterists want to talk about. You never want to engage on the future coming of Christ and the future literal general judgment and resurrection and introduction of incorruption. You never want to talk about the First Advent and the earthly ministry of Christ. All you want to talk about is the coming of Titus in AD70.

We going to him in death my friend.

Jesus said we can feast in heaven, spiritual bodies, kingdom, kingdom had an outside. Children of God in the kingdom, sons and daughters in the kingdom, no more death, no more mourning, no more sadness, no more pain, all of it awaits after this life.

You continue to mention Titus in 70Ad when I have not even said or talked about him at all, as far as I know, I could have.

The judgment was made an open spectacle look at the destruction.

 

[WPM]

We going to him in death my friend.

Jesus said we can feast in heaven, spiritual bodies, kingdom, kingdom had an outside. Children of God in the kingdom, sons and daughters in the kingdom, no more death, no more mourning, no more sadness, no more pain, all of it awaits after this life.

You continue to mention Titus in 70Ad when I have not even said or talked about him at all, as far as I know, I could have.

The judgment was made an open spectacle look at the destruction.

Does sin continue today?
Does death continue today?
Does crying continue today?
Does pain continue today?
Does sorrow continue today?
Does the curse continue today?
Are we still not living in an "evil age" today?
Do people still marry today?
Has "the bondage of corruption" been finally removed from the creature and creation?

 

[MatthewG]

The genealogy of the Jewish race burnt up in the fire. They can’t tell which tribe they are from anymore. Sure they continue to exist, but it has not foundation on the set foundation of Jesus Christ, who returned and Gods wrath placed it to become desolate, and they lost everything, with 1,000,000 Jewish people dead on top of that.

 

[MatthewG]

Does sin continue today?

Does death continue today?
Does crying continue today?
Does pain continue today?
Does sorrow continue today?
Does the curse continue today?
Are we still not living in an "evil age" today?
Do people still marry today?
Has "the bondage of corruption" been finally removed from the creature and creation?

When you die all that stuff ends.

You by nature are evil.

Jesus frees people from the bondage of sin and death.

 

[MatthewG]

Sin continues but it paid for; facts.
Jesus restores the soul to a place of peace and rest; seeking out God in faith and reading the word of God. All things become new in the death of Christ when one rises up to new spiritual life in Christ to look forward in becoming resurrected and going into the Kingdom, as a believer you also have the ability and opportunity to have the Father help you by the spirit in this life today and to do it out of love for Him and for love of others.

Good things that God brings!

 

[WPM]

When you die all that stuff ends.

You by nature are evil.

Jesus frees people from the bondage of sin and death.

Sin continues but it paid for; facts.
Jesus restores the soul to a place of peace and rest; seeking out God in faith and reading the word of God. All things become new in the death of Christ when one rises up to new spiritual life in Christ to look forward in becoming resurrected and going into the Kingdom, as a believer you also have the ability and opportunity to have the Father help you by the spirit in this life today and to do it out of love for Him and for love of others.

Good things that God brings!

So (contrary to what you pretend) we still live in an evil age where sin and sinners, death and decay, Satan and his demons function?

But Rev 21-22 is talking about the new earth. When does that arrive? When does the New Jerusalem come down from heaven?

 

[MatthewG]

So (contrary to what you pretend) we still live in an evil age where sin and sinners, death and decay, Satan and his demons function?

Sin has been paid for. Death has been overcome, hell has been overcome, Satan has ben overcome, and everyone slate is wiped clean. A person must decide to take in God into their lives or not.

The age we live in? You continue to call it “evil age”, I don’t believe in that, instead “age of fulfilment” because of Christ and his victory over these things are something I believe by faith. The world you live on will continue to have people come on to it, and you one day will leave it. Best to be settle with having peace with God because of faith in Jesus.

Death - the leaving this life is something no one is going to escape - a promise to escape the wrath of God was promised but no one has ever escaped having to die to be translated to hell; but today people are translated and resurrected in the heavenly realm once dying here. You may not believe it and it’s okay, and maybe I’m wrong, but John’s picture of the heavenly realm are incredible to read and consider.

 

[MatthewG]

All human beings are evil by nature. No one can really say otherwise. So therefore of course evil continues to exist and so does darkness even when Satan has been done away with.

 

[ScottA]

This exposes the inconsistencies of Full Preterism. Words mean something when it suits their heresy, but when it contradicts it it is swiftly discarded.

No, it exposes the fact that most of Christendom has NOT RECONCILED all of scripture (including the Preterists).

 

[MatthewG]

just to let everyone know I don’t even know what all the pretrist people believe. I just believe that all things have been fulfilled by Christ as promised by faith.

 

[MatthewG]

The only thing left really is revelation 21-22 which come in death: a picture and type of the afterlife.

So remember that my friends, I don’t believe that revelation 21-22 comes until death, and there is wisdom founded within the chapters. The ending of chapter 22 was a reminder of the beginning of the scroll to the seven assemblies.

 

[WPM]

No, it exposes the fact that most of Christendom has NOT RECONCILED all of scripture (including the Preterists).

Your unhealthy and unbiblical fixation with AD 70 and your blatant rejection of Christ's literal physical future return to receive all His elect and destroy all the wicked is heresy. Full Preterists have no answer to the truth. That is why they duck around it. This thread is one of many cases-in-point.

 

[WPM]

The only thing left really is revelation 21-22 which come in death: a picture and type of the afterlife.

So remember that my friends, I don’t believe that revelation 21-22 comes until death, and there is wisdom founded within the chapters. The ending of chapter 22 was a reminder of the beginning of the scroll to the seven assemblies.

I have already showed you that the glorified saints inherit the glorified earth when Jesus comes, and you have already ducked around this.

Job prophesied in Job 19:25-26: “For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God.”

Jesus promises us that when He comes we will:

• “inherit (kleronomeo) the earth” (Matthew 5:5).
• “inherit (kleronomeo) the kingdom” (Matthew 25:34).

The full and final and perfect manifestation of the inheritance arrives at the second coming when Christ will usher in eternal glory.

James 2:5 tells us: “heirs (kleronomos) of the kingdom”

Psalm 25:12-13 says: “What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose. His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.”

Psalm 37:9-11 says, “For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait `upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.”

Again, this is a truth that is repeated clearly and unambiguously throughout both Testaments.

Psalm 37:22 says, “For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.”

The wicked are not worthy to inherit the new glorified earth and the perfect age to come.

Psalm 37:28-36 continues, “For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever ... Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.”

Here, “evildoers” and “the wicked” are synonymous titles that refer to the unrighteous whereas the designations “those that wait upon the LORD,” “the meek” and “His saints” refer to the righteous. The meek are the glorified believers. They are the antithesis of the wicked. Can you not see that? There are only ever 2 peoples. The meek alone possess the new earth - those that have been redeemed by His precious blood.

Psalm 37:34 continues, “Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.”

This is the truth that is repeated by Christ in the New Testament. We see that confirmed in Matthew 5:5 saying, “Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.”

This current earth must be perfected. It must be glorified. It must be brought back to the paradise it was before the fall. Every time Scripture speaks of the believer receiving his inheritance (the kingdom/earth) it also shows the wicked receiving their eternal punishment.

The glorified saints are said to inherit the earth. This is assuredly talking about a new glorified earth, not this current corrupt arrangement that they have just departed. Their inheritance is not another period of corruption, rebellion and despair. They have just escaped that. The promised earth in view is actually depicted as a reward for the faithful. It cannot therefore be shared with the wicked.

Proverbs 2:21-22: “For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.”

Proverbs 10:30: “The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.”

A perfect new regenerated earth is the reward of the righteous.

According to Scripture, the ungodly are forbidden from this new glorified earth. The wicked are left outside the eternal kingdom.

 

[ScottA]

But you are forcing a doctrine using one Scripture without considering all that Christ has said. There were indeed faithful saints in the first century AD whom the Lord saw as already being ready for harvest. But they are not wheat alone, but growing together with the tares. None of faith shall be harvested until all who shall also be of faith with them are harvested together. The time of the harvest when all the wheat shall be harvested together shall be the end of the world when Christ shall send His angels to reap His harvest, and the tares gathered and burned up. This did not happen in the first century AD.

John 4:35 (KJV) Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

Matthew 13:30 (KJV) Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 13:38-43 (KJV) The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

I get that...but if I had not mentioned that the harvest was ready way back then, is it not true that most of Christendom has disregarded the times since then believing that the entire harvest does not come until the end of time, even though it is also written, "but each one in his own order?"

The point is, that indeed, the events unfold even unto the end of times...but began with the "firstfruits" (Christ) during His time, which many as much as deny.

Thus, along with their own error, many also point the finger (in this case at the Preterists) without considering the log in their own eye.

 

[ScottA]

Your unhealthy and unbiblical fixation with AD 70 and your blatant rejection of Christ's literal physical future return to receive all His elect and destroy all the wicked is heresy. Full Preterists have no answer to the truth. That is why they duck around it. This thread is one of many cases-in-point.

You are not listening, and even accusing me of what I blatantly denied including the Preterists in the error. I never even mentioned AD 70. Obviously, your pet peeve here has little to do with me, and more to do with your own hatred of Preterists.

Even so, I could say the same of you who's error is just as bad, but have been more kind, sticking rather to the truth, not pointing fingers, but correcting all.

 

[WPM]

You are not listening, and even accusing me of what I blatantly denied including the Preterists in the error. I never even mentioned AD 70. Obviously, your pet peeve here has little to do with me, and more to do with your own hatred of Preterists.

Even so, I could say the same of you who's error is just as bad, but have been more kind, sticking rather to the truth, not pointing fingers, but correcting all.

Wrong again. I have no "hatred of Preterists"! Opposing your doctrine seems to equate to hating the individual. That is what posters normally claim when they cannot refute the argument of their opponent.

You are yet to refute Amil. Where am i biblically wrong?

 

[MatthewG]

I have already showed you that the glorified saints inherit the glorified earth when Jesus comes, and you have already ducked around this.

Job prophesied in Job 19:25-26: “For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God.”

Jesus promises us that when He comes we will:

• “inherit (kleronomeo) the earth” (Matthew 5:5).
• “inherit (kleronomeo) the kingdom” (Matthew 25:34).

The full and final and perfect manifestation of the inheritance arrives at the second coming when Christ will usher in eternal glory.

James 2:5 tells us: “heirs (kleronomos) of the kingdom”

Psalm 25:12-13 says: “What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose. His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.”

Psalm 37:9-11 says, “For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait `upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.”

Again, this is a truth that is repeated clearly and unambiguously throughout both Testaments.

Psalm 37:22 says, “For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.”

The wicked are not worthy to inherit the new glorified earth and the perfect age to come.

Psalm 37:28-36 continues, “For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever ... Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.”

Here, “evildoers” and “the wicked” are synonymous titles that refer to the unrighteous whereas the designations “those that wait upon the LORD,” “the meek” and “His saints” refer to the righteous. The meek are the glorified believers. They are the antithesis of the wicked. Can you not see that? There are only ever 2 peoples. The meek alone possess the new earth - those that have been redeemed by His precious blood.

Psalm 37:34 continues, “Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.”

This is the truth that is repeated by Christ in the New Testament. We see that confirmed in Matthew 5:5 saying, “Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.”

This current earth must be perfected. It must be glorified. It must be brought back to the paradise it was before the fall. Every time Scripture speaks of the believer receiving his inheritance (the kingdom/earth) it also shows the wicked receiving their eternal punishment.

The glorified saints are said to inherit the earth. This is assuredly talking about a new glorified earth, not this current corrupt arrangement that they have just departed. Their inheritance is not another period of corruption, rebellion and despair. They have just escaped that. The promised earth in view is actually depicted as a reward for the faithful. It cannot therefore be shared with the wicked.

Proverbs 2:21-22: “For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.”

Proverbs 10:30: “The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.”

A perfect new regenerated earth is the reward of the righteous.

According to Scripture, the ungodly are forbidden from this new glorified earth. The wicked are left outside the eternal kingdom.

I don’t believe there is a need for a new earth today. You can quote scripture all day? But that doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

Listen though you are obviously correct in your own mind and viewpoint. You need to be convinced in your own mind, like myself about these things.

Idk what God has prepared for those who love him.

 

[MatthewG]

Is the destruction of the wicked generation and the saved from the wrath of God the end of the age for material religion, and if Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world, and people are looking for Heavenly destination, I don’t believe people who believe we will go to a new earth.

Hebrews 11:6 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

“Jesus said, 'My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from here'” (John 18:36).

Revelation 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

John saw a new revealing - in which the Kingdom God is a holy city; it’s separated now, between its former counter part. Called the New Jerusalem. John saw in his vision it coming down from heaven, and it was prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

Today people become part of the body, and they have the kingdom of God resides in the heart of independent believers.

“And having been questioned by the Pharisees, when the reign of God doth come, he answered them, and said, ‘The reign of God doth not come with observation; nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.’”
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They are adopted; and become heirs with Christ.

“And ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God doth dwell in you; and if any one hath not the Spirit of Christ — this one is not His; and if Christ [is] in you, the body, indeed, [is] dead because of sin, and the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness, and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you. So, then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh; for if according to the flesh ye do live, ye are about to die; and if, by the Spirit, the deeds of the body ye put to death, ye shall live; for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God; for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, ‘Abba — Father.’ The Spirit himself doth testify with our spirit, that we are children of God; and if children, also heirs, heirs, indeed, of God, and heirs together of Christ — if, indeed, we suffer together, that we may also be glorified together.”
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Romans 8:10-17 and if Christ [is] in you, the body, indeed, [is] dead because of sin, and the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness, and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in | Young's Literal Translation 1898

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They have citizenship in heaven.

Philippians 3 17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is theirbelly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.