That's not what it says...and you know it.The church is not a cell group neither are home churches. Wherever believers gather together it’s the church.
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That's not what it says...and you know it.The church is not a cell group neither are home churches. Wherever believers gather together it’s the church.
David said, you have made me wiser than my teachers. God finds a way to reach and find even indoctrinated men who He can send to speak through and correct course. The problem is, so few listen to them and they are always killed…This has proved disastrous to evangelicalism. The standard is SO low, that they have even less understanding than the ones who compromise the truth that are over them and live from them.
The church is the body of Christ gathering together on a regular basis to use their gifts to build up the body and equip the saints to do the work of service as per Ephesians 4 by its leaders who train and equip the saints to do the ministry. That happens in local churches and home churches making disciples. I’ve done it in both and I’m still doing it in both.That's not what it says...and you know it.
Are you sinless?the one who says that he remains in Him ought, himself also, walk just as He walked.
whoever abides/remains/resides in Him does not sin.
They dumb it down to maintain control. It would be disastrous to have a runaway Holy Spirit show up. They would lose their phony baloney jobs and who would feed them then? In the past, they even fought to not let the gospel be translated into men’s languages. No bereans allowed!That's the model of the institution...set up like business...with franchises. The competitive nature of these businesses makes for a dumbing down of the gospel to get as many in the pews as possible...more people, more revenue= more success.
This has proved disastrous to evangelicalism. The standard is SO low, that they have even less understanding than the ones who compromise the truth that are over them and live from them.
That’s just useless. No understanding has ever been arrived at by ignoring some of the verses.Are you sinless?
The apostle John said if he himself claims he is presently without sin he would be decieved
Are you greater that John?
Plurality of elders is the NT and biblical model .That's the model of the institution...set up like business...with franchises. The competitive nature of these businesses makes for a dumbing down of the gospel to get as many in the pews as possible...more people, more revenue= more success.
This has proved disastrous to evangelicalism. The standard is SO low, that they have even less understanding than the ones who compromise the truth that are over them and live from them.
(summorphizomenos tōi thanatōi autou).I like that word symmorphizo there. If, I'm not mistaken it seems to leave room for both what has been accomplished in us as well as what is happening along the way.
We’ve sunk to the point that it can’t work. If you have more men to hand out and oversee more poison, it’s not going to do anything but poison more.Plurality of elders is the NT and biblical model .
Prophets faded away with the Apostle's after they died. There are no Apostles and Prophets in the church today. There are elders, pastors, teachers, evangelists.We’ve sunk to the point that it can’t work. If you have more men to hand out and oversee more poison, it’s not going to do anything but poison more.
All I can think to do is start with a prophet at this point. Someone has to have the vision to begin to restore. What you do past that I can’t imagine…unless it’s to grow in unity and let the Spirit work…
Don't forget the suffering part brother--something that is very seldom mentioned here.In the present/passive form, something God is doing with us continuing. I'm not sure prior working is in that word, but I think the overall teaching of Scripture is that we are being conformed to our death in Christ. Like, the new Christian is crucified with Christ just like the mature Christian, but the mature Christian, whose mind has been more renewed, will show that more.
Perhaps "conformable to His death" can be understood as having a fully renewed mind?
Much love!
First, I didn’t say an apostle, I said a prophet. The prophet has to point out the problem. It’s the only way. Literally. It’s not working, we are close to death, and no one knows what to do to correct course.Prophets faded away with the Apostle's after they died. There are no Apostles and Prophets in the church today. There are elders, pastors, teachers, evangelists.
Suffering is a promise.Don't forget the suffering part brother--something that is very seldom mentioned here.
Correct and there are none todayFirst, I didn’t say an apostle, I said a prophet.
There always is one. But who listens? Certainly not a man who insists there are no prophets.Correct and there are none today
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;Suffering is a promise.
And he gave Apostles too and they are no longer in existence.There always is one. But who listens? Certainly not a man who insists there are no prophets.
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Wake up!
So say you.And he gave Apostles too and they are no longer in existence.
That's got a lot to do with how we get there.Don't forget the suffering part brother--something that is very seldom mentioned here.
Yes! Suffering is God's gift to us to pry us away from fleshiness. And it works! For the child of God.Suffering is a promise.
The poison comes from the “ prophet” with no accountability. There are no lone rangers in the real church as God doesn’t use such men filled with pride and no accountability.We’ve sunk to the point that it can’t work. If you have more men to hand out and oversee more poison, it’s not going to do anything but poison more.
All I can think to do is start with a prophet at this point. Someone has to have the vision to begin to restore. What you do past that I can’t imagine…unless it’s to grow in unity and let the Spirit work…
There has to come a point where at least someone sees it’s not working and dares to stand up and say so. Someone has to eventually say, but where is the God of Paul?.?!