in 2 cor. I think he is doing as many do. and telling people to examin themselves.
If your saved, you would show some light
If your not. This to would show. and then with this knowledge, you need to re-examine your position in Christ.
See I disagree. he doesn’t do as many do in saying empty words of “Examine yourself”. Just my opinion but many do it, or throw that out there,
well just , “examine yourselves” to deflect. Instead he is giving them an opportunity. Totally different to me. Not deflecting but instead “called to Light”, “called heavenward”, “called upward”, “called out of darkness and into the Light”, “called up Higher”…because they asked for proof of Christ speaking in him, so Christ speaks.
To me it is significant who is calling whom there. That is why I asked you in that passage of “examine yourselves”: which does Christ speak in, and in which does He not? In which does Christ walk, walk in the Light…which does Christ not walk?
They are convince they are the ones doing the calling heavenward. They are saying “Brother, you walk in darkness.” “Reprobate” “as a liar” “as one who corrupts the word of God” …we, full of pride, are here
to correct you. they don’t come right out and say all those things, but that is what it amounts to in my opinion.
They are convinced they walk in the Light (sometimes). Yet they call him who is speaking in Paul, walking in Paul; they call Him a liar, corrupt, a reprobate and as one walking in darkness … “a reprobate” sums it up. Does it sound familiar?
Not as many do, instead of deflecting… he says okay since I appear to you as walking in darkness…and you as those walking in the Light (sometimes)then; do what is perfect and right. What does God do to reprobates and the ungrateful? since you walk in the Light, here is your opportunity, your call to come up higher: if you love only those who love you, then what more do you do? To me, that says a lot about God …where God doesn’t only love those who love Him. Nor
not only to the grateful.
To be honest it was encouraging and refreshing the other day in responding back to you to see the connection to “as liars yet true” or “as deceivers yet true” or “as poor but making many rich”
2 Corinthians 6:7-11 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, [8] By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; [9] As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; [10] As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things. [11] O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
Because to me that is what is happening in “examine yourselves”
It isn’t that Paul is as a liar, poor, having nothing…or that is he saying he IS a reprobate…they are saying he
appears unto them as being such.
But in the whole opportunity in “examine yourselves” Paul’s desire, his Hope in Christ (Spirit) speaking in Him as “well-known”, “true” “
possessing all things” “
making many rich”…
You said: “I do not see what you see in Matt 6. He speak so flight in matt 6 is that what you were talking about?”
Since they want proof that Christ speaks in him…since it is Christ (Spirit)who speaks in him…then I just pulled out a few that I’m suggesting I can hear Christ telling them. (Once again, not from earth but this time from heaven.
Matthew 6:12-15 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. [13] And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil: For
thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. [14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: [15] But if you forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
LOVE with their claiming “Paul you appear to us as a reprobate” Matthew 6:18 That
you appear not unto men to fast, but
unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which sees in secret, shall reward thee openly.
“I pray you will see we are NOT reprobate”
matt 5 is Jesus rebuking the jewish pharisees and religions, saying you think you keep the law. Well let me show you.. The law says this,, but I tell you that. If you love just those who love you. What good is that. even the heathen do that. etc etc..
(Imo) he is telling them you come no where near touching the Law, which is Spirit.
When he says be perfect. He is showing them what is required. If you think you are good because you claim to keep the law. Well here is Gods requirement, Be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect..
Again, (Imo) he is telling them you come no where near touching the Law, which is Spirit. “Christ in you”