David in NJ
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And it will not separate our love for each other in Christ - Amen.We differ in understanding as to what applies to whom when and why.
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And it will not separate our love for each other in Christ - Amen.We differ in understanding as to what applies to whom when and why.
God Bless,
Taken
Are you denying a soul can receive the first resurrection and blessing at the GWT judgment? Pretty sure they can see the GWT at the 6th Seal, when the firmament is rolled back and spiritual blindness is removed from all on earth.GWT comes 1,000 years after the First Resurrection.
the Judgment of the Second Death is given at the GWT
1 Thess ch4, 1 Cor ch15, 1 John ch2 & ch3 Dan 12:1-3 and Rev ch 20 only shows one First Resurrection at the Second Coming of Christ.Are you denying a soul can receive the first resurrection and blessing at the GWT judgment? Pretty sure they can see the GWT at the 6th Seal, when the firmament is rolled back and spiritual blindness is removed from all on earth.
"And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Those on that day will have 1000 years to think about standing one final time at the GWT. But certainly they were alive on earth and trying to avoid looking into the face of God sitting on the GWT. And that took place at the opening of the 6th Seal. That was over 42 months prior to Armageddon. Many of them would choose to be beheaded instead of follow Satan. Those were the blessed who enjoyed the first resurrection in Revelation 20:4. Many would end up dead waiting for death to empty out at the GWT judgment. I don't think any of them who received the mark later are at the GWT. I think those at Armageddon were cast into the LOF with the beast and FP. They had already been marked and the day of Armageddon was their judgment day. But we are not given the specifics. If they were that linked to the beast and FP, why postpone the inevitable? They cannot change the fact they were already removed from the Lamb's book of life and there would never be a first resurrection for them.
6th Seal does not contain the GWT JudgmentAre you denying a soul can receive the first resurrection and blessing at the GWT judgment? Pretty sure they can see the GWT at the 6th Seal, when the firmament is rolled back and spiritual blindness is removed from all on earth.
"And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Those on that day will have 1000 years to think about standing one final time at the GWT. But certainly they were alive on earth and trying to avoid looking into the face of God sitting on the GWT. And that took place at the opening of the 6th Seal. That was over 42 months prior to Armageddon. Many of them would choose to be beheaded instead of follow Satan. Those were the blessed who enjoyed the first resurrection in Revelation 20:4. Many would end up dead waiting for death to empty out at the GWT judgment. I don't think any of them who received the mark later are at the GWT. I think those at Armageddon were cast into the LOF with the beast and FP. They had already been marked and the day of Armageddon was their judgment day. But we are not given the specifics. If they were that linked to the beast and FP, why postpone the inevitable? They cannot change the fact they were already removed from the Lamb's book of life and there would never be a first resurrection for them.
You know, what? = You are correct!Are you denying a soul can receive the first resurrection and blessing at the GWT judgment? Pretty sure they can see the GWT at the 6th Seal, when the firmament is rolled back and spiritual blindness is removed from all on earth.
"And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Those on that day will have 1000 years to think about standing one final time at the GWT. But certainly they were alive on earth and trying to avoid looking into the face of God sitting on the GWT. And that took place at the opening of the 6th Seal. That was over 42 months prior to Armageddon. Many of them would choose to be beheaded instead of follow Satan. Those were the blessed who enjoyed the first resurrection in Revelation 20:4. Many would end up dead waiting for death to empty out at the GWT judgment. I don't think any of them who received the mark later are at the GWT. I think those at Armageddon were cast into the LOF with the beast and FP. They had already been marked and the day of Armageddon was their judgment day. But we are not given the specifics. If they were that linked to the beast and FP, why postpone the inevitable? They cannot change the fact they were already removed from the Lamb's book of life and there would never be a first resurrection for them.
All first resurrections are physical. Lazarus was the first first resurrection.1 Thess ch4, 1 Cor ch15, 1 John ch2 & ch3 Dan 12:1-3 and Rev ch 20 only shows one First Resurrection at the Second Coming of Christ.
Rev ch20 does not reveal any other Glorified Resurrections except the First One.
GWT does not reveal any Salvation in it that i can see.
Do you have any scripture that is specific to the GWT Judgment?
That is what I posted. I pointed out that at the 6th Seal all on earth can see the GWT. But the dead standing there to be judged will be over 1,000 years later.6th Seal does not contain the GWT Judgment
The Throne of God is mentioned throughout scripture.
the GWT Judgment only occurs after the 1,000 years have finished.
Lazarus was completely dead and he was physically resurrected back to life = 100% CorrectAll first resurrections are physical. Lazarus was the first first resurrection.
The 6th Seal shows Two separate Judgments:That is what I posted. I pointed out that at the 6th Seal all on earth can see the GWT. But the dead standing there to be judged will be over 1,000 years later.
No such thing as a glorified immortal body.Lazarus was completely dead and he was physically resurrected back to life = 100% Correct
However, Lazarus was not Resurrected and Transformed into a Glorified Immortal Body.
The sheep rejected Jesus, because they are not the church. They get to live on earth for 1,000 years, though.The 6th Seal shows Two separate Judgments:
a.) the Wrath of the LAMB at His Second Coming
b.) as you stated correctly = all those, both living who are about to die and the dead who rejected the LAMB/TRUTH/SALVATION
1,000 years later at the GWT
This is why they are mentioned together = you reject the LAMB means you rejected Eternal Life
Yep, the spirit.Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
NOPEYep, the spirit.
Soul puts on physical body. Physical body puts on the spirit, a robe of white. Then we shine as the stars. Glorified.
See the mount of Transfiguration to see what the spirit, as a robe of light, can do.
That is what I posted. The Robe of white is not the physical body. Putting on immortality is not the physical body.NOPE
Robe of White is not the Transformed Immortal Body
White robes are handed out to the Saints in Heaven until they Return with Christ at His Second Coming whereby they areThat is what I posted. The Robe of white is not the physical body. Putting on immortality is not the physical body.
You have to put on the permanent incorruptible physical body, before the robe of white, the spirit.
The 5th and 6th Seal is the Second Coming as described by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse. It is the time all are glorified according to Paul. There is no separate glorification process from those on earth and those in heaven. Jesus and the angels are on the earth at the 6th Seal. That is the only time Jesus comes as a thief in the night with the angels.White robes are handed out to the Saints in Heaven until they Return with Christ at His Second Coming whereby they are
Transformed and given Immortal Glorified Bodies in His image = Rev elation 6: 9-11 , 1 Cor ch15 & 1 John 3:1-3
No Glorification Immortal Bodies until the Second Coming of Christ = 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , 1 John 3:1-3The 5th and 6th Seal is the Second Coming as described by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse. It is the time all are glorified according to Paul. There is no separate glorification process from those on earth and those in heaven. Jesus and the angels are on the earth at the 6th Seal. That is the only time Jesus comes as a thief in the night with the angels.
Armageddon is not a thief in the night event. It is a planned event, and they will know the day and the hour. How else does Satan show up with an army, if it is supposed to be a surprise? Armageddon is over 60 miles, an hour away, from Jerusalem and the mount of Olives. It is certainly not the Second Coming to the Mount of Olives.
Satan has been ruling from Jerusalem for 42 months. No armies are coming to attack Satan, that Jesus needs to come against and protect Satan's empire. Jerusalem is not destroyed at Armageddon. There is an earthquake that levels what Satan built around Jerusalem, in the 7th vial. The 10 kings destroy the harlot position that Jerusalem represents. They think they are doing Satan's bidding. But Armageddon is not about Jerusalem. It is about the defeat of Satan and all those humans who have the mark declaring they are no longer in the Lamb's book of life.
The church is not glorified at Armageddon. That already happened way back in the 5th and 6th Seal. The church has to wait for Jesus to remove all that defiles the earth. The church will also wait in Paradise until the end of the Millennium reign. The church does not come to earth until the New Jerusalem descends after the NHNE. That is when the bride, the church, descends per John in Revelation 21.
You think those under the altar are just a few souls? That is the entire church covered by the Atonement Covenant. The church is not covered "in part". If you are not under the alter, you are not part of the church. You are one of the souls under that alter, as that is a symbolic representation of the entire church.
"rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."
You think this means martyred. It does not. It means those sheep and wheat still on the earth have to shed Adam's dead corruptible flesh, and be changed like Paul declares of a restored son of God. But those on earth are not glorified. It says killed, that is physically removed from Adam's dead corruptible flesh. It does not mention they will be glorified. It just says they will have a permanent incorruptible physical body like those in Paradise. Those on earth are not given white robes in John’s whole narrative of the future.
Now if you take Daniel into consideration, the end goal after the NHNE is to shine like the stars. Do you think that is literal or figurative?
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
Jesus even echoed this thought about the final harvest:
"Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."
This shining as a star was shown on the mount of Transfiguration.
"And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light."
Raiment white as the light, robe of white, how can we view this any other way?
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."
We don't have on that robe of white now in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. At the Second Coming is when the church is glorified and puts on the robe of white. Paul states that as death (mortal) finally putting on non death (immortality). John calls it putting on robes of white.
John knew exactly what it will appear like. He saw Jesus clothed in that robe of white on the mount of Transfiguration. Daniel is not specific on the timing, but he did see the end result.
Many want to claim one single future resurrection, but resurrections started with Lazarus and have been ongoing since then. Glorification only happens once, at the Second Coming. But the final result in the NHNE will be all righteous will shine as stars.
1 Thess 4:13-18 does not mention glorification or immortality.No Glorification Immortal Bodies until the Second Coming of Christ = 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , 1 John 3:1-3
That is what I posted, the 5th and 6th Seal. They are the thief in the night moment of the Second Coming and Zechariah 14.No Glorification Immortal Bodies until the Second Coming of Christ = 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , 1 John 3:1-3