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[Timtofly]

Revelation 5​

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King James Version​

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5 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

the word book here is biblion and also means a scroll. Given that each seal unveils a particular item most linguist believing scholars realize it is a scroll!

The Lambs Book of Life is found only in Rev. 21:27. It is a book of the names of the saved and not judgment for the earth.

The trumpets themselves are not in the scroll, but are revealed when the scroll is opened to that point.

do a little research from believers and see why over99% call it a scroll.

Even Strongs does:

biblion (Key)
Pronunciation
bib-lee'-on

The KJV translates Strong's G975 in the following manner: book (29x), bill (1x), scroll (1x), writing (1x).

Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. a small book, a scroll, a written document
2. a sheet on which something has been written
   1. a bill of divorcement

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
βιβλίον biblíon, bib-lee'-on; a diminutive of G976; a roll:—bill, book, scroll, writing.

Historically, for the first century all were written in scroll or single pages. Books with bindings had not been invented yet.

Well you can have your name written in the Lamb's scroll of life.

I will stay with a book, because today the Bible is a book, not a scroll.

 

[Timtofly]

And if you read this in context and use the rules of understanding how sentences are formes (after all grammar is done to communicate intelligently) you will see the following:

1. Because the word "as" appears, we know it is a metaphor and not literal.

2. The entire context is speaking of gods patience to see people come to repentance. that is it- it is that simple.

The Day of the Lord is a figurative phrase, not a literal day. The 1,000 years are literal. Now your 1000 years may be figurative, and Amil would agree with you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Well you can have your name written in the Lamb's scroll of life.

I will stay with a book, because today the Bible is a book, not a scroll.

Well if John wrote today it probably would be a book. but as He wrote in the first century and books had not been invented yet, it was a scroll!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Day of the Lord is a figurative phrase, not a literal day. The 1,000 years are literal. Now your 1000 years may be figurative, and Amil would agree with you.

Even amils get things right from time to time!

But the millennial kingdom is literal for there is no grammar that shows it a metaphor. And for Peters passage, you have it exactly backwards!

The Day of the Lord is a literal day. Day is "hemara" which mostly means daytime or a 24 hour day, but also means a time period in Greek. Context determines which. So even if the Day of the Lord lasts X days or years, it is still perfectly correct as written.

But you need to polish up your grammar skills and learn what grammar identifies something as a metaphor or not to be taken literally.

An example: " It is hot as hell outside today!" Is a metaphor. The person is not literally saying the day in their area is just as hot as hell. It is called a metaphor. Same with the phrase, A day with the Lord is "AS" a thousands years.

If you refuse to follow rules of grammar- you will come up with many false doctrines by misreading the Word of God , which was inspired by God and is the Master of correct grammar.

 

[Timtofly]

Well if John wrote today it probably would be a book. but as He wrote in the first century and books had not been invented yet, it was a scroll!

It was a book before Creation. At that time scrolls were not even invented.

 

[Timtofly]

Even amils get things right from time to time!

But the millennial kingdom is literal for there is no grammar that shows it a metaphor. And for Peters passage, you have it exactly backwards!

The Day of the Lord is a literal day. Day is "hemara" which mostly means daytime or a 24 hour day, but also means a time period in Greek. Context determines which. So even if the Day of the Lord lasts X days or years, it is still perfectly correct as written.

But you need to polish up your grammar skills and learn what grammar identifies something as a metaphor or not to be taken literally.

An example: " It is hot as hell outside today!" Is a metaphor. The person is not literally saying the day in their area is just as hot as hell. It is called a metaphor. Same with the phrase, A day with the Lord is "AS" a thousands years.

If you refuse to follow rules of grammar- you will come up with many false doctrines by misreading the Word of God , which was inspired by God and is the Master of correct grammar.

A day with the Lord is 1000 years. A day without the Lord is just 24 hours.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It was a book before Creation. At that time scrolls were not even invented.

And you know this how??? Were you there? Or are you just spitballing based on one possible definition of a Greek Word?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

A day with the Lord is 1000 years. A day without the Lord is just 24 hours.

And tap you r heels three times and say there is no place like home! Just because you wish to reject proper grammar to promote a false agenda doesn't make it so.

 

[Timtofly]

And you know this how??? Were you there? Or are you just spitballing based on one possible definition of a Greek Word?

You pointed out God goes by man's invention timetable. I then pointed out, according to your own logic, it could not be a scroll either.

God did not need humans to invent scrolls nor books. Those in the fist century did not have to know what a biblios was, did they?

People can still use scrolls today, if they wanted to. God can also use a book whenever He wants to.

 

[Timtofly]

And tap you r heels three times and say there is no place like home! Just because you wish to reject proper grammar to promote a false agenda doesn't make it so.

Will it really matter to you if the Millennium is 1,000 years or 24 hours?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You pointed out God goes by man's invention timetable. I then pointed out, according to your own logic, it could not be a scroll either.

God did not need humans to invent scrolls nor books. Those in the fist century did not have to know what a biblios was, did they?

People can still use scrolls today, if they wanted to. God can also use a book whenever He wants to.

But God communicates to us in waysw we can understand. God can use anything He wishes- but the odds are it was a scroll as those were what were used as "biblios" in teh first century and would be sealed with seals.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Will it really matter to you if the Millennium is 1,000 years or 24 hours?

I ask you the same question!

But it matters, for when God constructs a sentence that makes perfect sense as written, why should we not accept it? Especially in light of the fact that nearly everything not to be taken literally, is constructed in a way we can know without help from "special people who received special revelation".

Taking God at His Word and not wrongfully dividing His Word to take one passage written metaphorically and make it to translate other verses.

 

[Timtofly]

But God communicates to us in waysw we can understand. God can use anything He wishes- but the odds are it was a scroll as those were what were used as "biblios" in teh first century and would be sealed with seals.

The Lamb's book of life has been sealed since the foundation of the earth. It will not be unsealed until the time of the Second Coming. John was not seeing a vision of a scroll. John saw the literal actual book as the seals were being opened.

I ask you the same question!

But it matters, for when God constructs a sentence that makes perfect sense as written, why should we not accept it? Especially in light of the fact that nearly everything not to be taken literally, is constructed in a way we can know without help from "special people who received special revelation".

Taking God at His Word and not wrongfully dividing His Word to take one passage written metaphorically and make it to translate other verses.

So stop referring to the Day of the Lord as some future 24 hour day. That is taking some verses that are metaphor and interpreting other Scriptures, to your assumed revelation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Lamb's book of life has been sealed since the foundation of the earth. It will not be unsealed until the time of the Second Coming. John was not seeing a vision of a scroll. John saw the literal actual book as the seals were being opened.


So stop referring to the Day of the Lord as some future 24 hour day. That is taking some verses that are metaphor and interpreting other Scriptures, to your assumed revelation.

Hate to break it to you but the seals are broken and that scroll is opened in Rev. 6 long before Jesus returns.

and I do not refer to the day of the Lord as a literal 24 hour day- you have me confused with someone else.

 

[Timtofly]

Hate to break it to you but the seals are broken and that scroll is opened in Rev. 6 long before Jesus returns.

and I do not refer to the day of the Lord as a literal 24 hour day- you have me confused with someone else.

Hate to break it to you but if you are on the earth when the 7th Seal is opened on the Lamb's book of life, you will not be part of the church.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hate to break it to you but if you are on the earth when the 7th Seal is opened on the Lamb's book of life, you will not be part of the church.

Well I know I won't be as the rapture happens before the seventh seal is broken. and it is not the Lambs Book of life. You have not provided the needed biblical evidence to equate the seven sealed scroll of Rev. 6 and the Lambs Book of Life in Rev. 21.

Teh scroll of Rev. 6 unveils death and destruction while the lambs book of life only describes who may or may not enter the new Jerusalem. totally unequal contents.

 

[ewq1938]

Well I know I won't be as the rapture happens before the seventh seal is broken.

Scripture places the rapture at the 7th trump, LONG after the seals were opened.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Scripture places the rapture at the 7th trump, LONG after the seals were opened.

Some people believe that because the seventh trump is the last trumpet mentioned in teh Bible. But they err for two reasons.

1. Paul in Corinthians was speaking of another trump that is specifically called the last trump

2. We are also promised to be delivered from the judgments we call the 7 year tribulation in theseelonians.

 

[ewq1938]

Some people believe that because the seventh trump is the last trumpet mentioned in teh Bible. But they err for two reasons.

1. Paul in Corinthians was speaking of another trump that is specifically called the last trump

No,. he was speaking of the last of 7 trumpets that John would later be shown.

2. We are also promised to be delivered from the judgments we call the 7 year tribulation in theseelonians.

No, the church is PROMISED to suffer the persecution of the GT. This is found many places, namely Rev 11, the end of Rev 12, and 13.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No,. he was speaking of the last of 7 trumpets that John would later be shown.




No, the church is PROMISED to suffer the persecution of the GT. This is found many places, namely Rev 11, the end of Rev 12, and 13.

Well now prove the 7th trump is the last trump biblically.

No the church is not promised to suffer the persecution of the Great Trib.

Sorry, but Rev. 11 and 13 are tribulation saints- not the church. REv. 12 is Israel!

Thessalonians promises we will be delivered from the wrath to come and that is the tribulation.