Heart Talks on Holiness

[Eternally Grateful]

This is the openly stated purpose of the Temple Institute in Jerusalem, I'm afraid. As well as the Pope's misguided efforts. To unite all religions and usher in world peace.

Interesting that for the most part in ancient Babylon and ancient Rome, citizens were allowed to worship other gods of their own choosing as long as they also bowed down to Caesar as god or Babylon's god in the case of Babylon. Nothing new under the sun. It's like Babel is trying to rebuild it's tower to heaven. Spirit of the WORLD.

Revelations tells us that harlot will be destroyed..

 

[ChristisGod]

This is the openly stated purpose of the Temple Institute in Jerusalem, I'm afraid. As well as the Pope's misguided efforts. To unite all religions and usher in world peace.

Interesting that for the most part in ancient Babylon and ancient Rome, citizens were allowed to worship other gods of their own choosing as long as they also bowed down to Caesar as god or Babylon's god in the case of Babylon. Nothing new under the sun. It's like Babel is trying to rebuild it's tower to heaven. Spirit of the WORLD.

The very spirit of antichrist

 

[Episkopos]

I might be able to help a bit with this paradox. There is a difference between literal and spiritual truth.

This is New Age spirituality fluff you are trying to put across here. The make-believe portion of your beliefs.

There is no such distinction. You have no support whatsoever apart from your imagination. That is both a literal and spiritual truth for you.

We are to count/reckon ourselves to be dead to sin and crucified with Christ. BUT, just as the spirit of the prophets is subject to the prophets, ie, they can choose to yield to the flow of the Holy Spirit or not (depending on whether the circumstance is appropriate to speak or not, or whether it's their turn to speak or not etc), in much the same way we can choose to yield to the Holy Spirt or not, and either yield to the Spirit and not sin, or not yield to the Spirit and sin.

This is only a half-truth. No one can overcome the flesh completely without being crucified with Christ...to be raised into His resurrection life. We should indeed reckon ourselves dead to sin...just like we should reckon that sticking a finger in a light socket is not a good idea. But we don't have the sufficient "reckoning" power to do the work of the cross of Christ.

 

[Episkopos]

Amen. Good deeds can't change what a person fundamentally IS. Only God can do that by making us into new creatures....through faith in His Son.

Until we are made alive by having the penalty of sin removed.

we are dead..

You believe that you are now alive because the penalty of sin has been removed? You are now alive to sin away without any thought that the wages of sin is death? Were you already that deceived with this or is this a progressive thing like your sanctification theory??

 

[Laurina]

EPI DOES . and he aint alone either . There are others .
If one believes NOT on Christ , its all vain no matter what they teach .
And another persons main lady who they supported and called christain
is now trying to use the bible to justify transgendersim . I knew she was false a long , long time ago .
She only continues to get worse . her name OPRAH wimphrey .
Yet to some me calling her false is seen as an attack against the brethren . NO SHE FALSE . SHE IS FALSE .
As are many others who are trying to claim they believe in Christ yet do the works of darkness .
As for me , I SHALL POINT TO THE DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON HIM . And to the fact
we better all watch out , cause many can even claim to believe on HIM and yet are following another jesus .
Its not looking good for many . But men do as men do , lambs will do as JESUS said to do .
BELIEVING ALL THINGS HE taught and later the apostels left us in the bible . Not picking and choosing .
Not suppressing the truth so folks can get along . PREACHING THE TRUTH no matter the cost .

That's quite an accusation!!! I would need to see you quote Epi to prove what YOU are saying about him. It sounds more like you are twisting his words to bring attention to yourself. Show me the proof!!



In case you all have forgotten....the thread was about a book I was reading called, "Heart Talks on Holiness."

 

[marks]

I might be able to help a bit with this paradox. There is a difference between literal and spiritual truth. We are to count/reckon ourselves to be dead to sin and crucified with Christ. BUT, just as the spirit of the prophets is subject to the prophets, ie, they can choose to yield to the flow of the Holy Spirit or not (depending on whether the circumstance is appropriate to speak or not, or whether it's their turn to speak or not etc), in much the same way we can choose to yield to the Holy Spirt or not, and either yield to the Spirit and not sin, or not yield to the Spirit and sin.

To me it seems the key issue is being baptized into Christ, not water, but spiritual baptism. We are immersed into Christ Himself, so that we share His death and burial. And in so doing, our old man is crucified, and we are dead.

And they say, But we don't appear dead! Therefore we must not really be dead.

On the one hand, there is a huge disagreement over what "death" should mean, whether inactive, or separated. But even before we get to that, maybe even helping us to define that question, is this.

Do we believe the sayings of Scripture? And what does it mean to be baptized into Christ? How is that accomplished?

IF we believe that we are baptized into Christ, then we should likewise believe we are dead to sin. Having accepted that as truth, we go on to learn what that really means, to be dead to sin. And we are able to walk in that truth, because it's truth that sets us free.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You believe that you are now alive because the penalty of sin has been removed? You are now alive to sin away without any thought that the wages of sin is death? Were you already that deceived with this or is this a progressive thing like your sanctification theory??

This just proves you not only do not know us. But the gospel

Keep trying to be right with God from your own righteousness.

You will
Learn the hard way

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's quite an accusation!!! I would need to see you quote Epi to prove what YOU are saying about him. It sounds more like you are twisting his words to bring attention to yourself. Show me the proof!!



In case you all have forgotten....the thread was about a book I was reading called, "Heart Talks on Holiness."

Sadly Epi came in and needed to be corrected with his accusations and false gospel.

 

[Episkopos]

Sadly Epi came in and needed to be corrected with his accusations and false gospel.

More empty accusations designed to "cover-up" your errors. If all your sins are covered up, how come we can still see them?

Is that why you post the drivel that you do? You believe its already all forgiven?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

More empty accusations designed to "cover-up" your errors. If all your sins are covered up, how come we can still see them?

Thats what it means when it says they are covered.

God can;t see them

If he can still see them, Your dead.

You need to study the law my friend..

Is that why you post the drivel that you do? You believe its already all forgiven?

if its not forgiven, I am still dead in my sin. And I am headed to hell.

You think I put myself above you and everyone else? That just again shows you do not know me. We are all in the same boat. Apart from grace we are all lost. If the blood of Jesus Christ does not wash us, we are still unclean.

 

[Jim B]

Its amazing how every religion known to man bases their relationship to God on hos good a person is. and if they are holy or not.

Satan is such a master deceiver. he plays on peoples pride.. that's why it is so easy into deceiving them into thinking all have have to do is just be good.. and you will be ok.

I don't think that Satan ever encourages anyone to be good. God says to love your neighbor; I doubt that Satan says the same thing. The parable of the good Samaritan is Jesus' way of describing desirable behavior. The "book" of Job clearly shows Satan's behavior, as does his time with Jesus in the wilderness.

"Being good" is what God expects of His children.

 

[Jim B]

the whole point of being born again is to be made alive, to have your fellowship with God restored to what it was intended before sin broke it.. To be justified. and to be made a child of God

THEN we have the ability to walk in the spirit. to seek after the things of the spirit. to bear fruit. To be a light in the world. to walk as jesus walked.

Until we are made alive by having the penalty of sin removed.

we are dead..

they do not let us out of prison when we have multiple death penalties against us (in our case against God, a number which is uncountable) because we did a few good things..

GREAT POST!!!

 

[Jim B]

Think we need to understand though, that His ways are not our ways. God's love is not on the same level as what we humans think of as love, at all. And then there is the question of what happens when someone rejects His offer of love.

When we are "born again", i.e., when we receive the Spirit of God, then His ways become our ways. Or they should. But since we still live in a sinful world, none of us behave perfectly, i.e., in accord with the Spirit, all the time.

If someone rejects God's offer of love -- always -- then they will not live eternally.

 

[marks]

That's quite an accusation!!! I would need to see you quote Epi to prove what YOU are saying about him. It sounds more like you are twisting his words to bring attention to yourself. Show me the proof!!



In case you all have forgotten....the thread was about a book I was reading called, "Heart Talks on Holiness."

If you actually want to know, do a search of "hindu girl" on epis' threads. You'll see his explanations of people being accepted by God outside of faith in Christ, or the Bible, or YHWH, on the basis of their well intentioned good works.

Much love!

 

[Jim B]

More empty accusations designed to "cover-up" your errors. If all your sins are covered up, how come we can still see them?

Is that why you post the drivel that you do? You believe its already all forgiven?

Which part of Jesus' sacrifice for all sins do you think hasn't been effective?

 

[Episkopos]

Thats what it means when it says they are covered.

God can;t see them

If he can still see them, Your dead.

You need to study the law my friend..

Whose law? Not God's law. Your imaginative restructuring of the gospel comes from Luther. God can see all things. You are the blind one. That fresh snow covering up a dunghill of sins....well that is just a clever ploy invented by a frustrated monk.

God is merciful. He is not a lawyer. He knows our weakness. Do you really think you can hide from God? Don't you see how foolish that is? Because you are still in Adam...you want to hide your sins away from God. Use that imagination of yours to consider that all your sins will be displayed for all to see...there is NOTHING hidden that will not be revealed... then it is a question of whether you will weep...or gnash your teeth at that certain monk.

So you need to repent and come into the light. Light exposes darkness...your darkness.

Luke 12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

if its not forgiven, I am still dead in my sin. And I am headed to hell.

That's why you accepted the scheme. You thought it was a "get out of hell" card. And now you want moral support from others. Well only the indoctrinated will NOT correct your delusion.

If Christ be not RAISED you are dead in your sins. Your religion is one of death. Go to the cross and be delivered from the power of sin...so you may live.

You think I put myself above you and everyone else? That just again shows you do not know me. We are all in the same boat. Apart from grace we are all lost. If the blood of Jesus Christ does not wash us, we are still unclean.

There's some truth to this. I know you are just being a good little reformer here.

 

[Episkopos]

Which part of Jesus' sacrifice for all sins do you think hasn't been effective?

God's will never fails. It's our assumptions and presumptions that fail. God will have mercy on WHOMEVER He wills. That is what the religious types hate about God.

 

[Laurina]

If you actually want to know, do a search of "hindu girl" on epis' threads. You'll see his explanations of people being accepted by God outside of faith in Christ, or the Bible, or YHWH, on the basis of their well intentioned good works.

Much love!

I haven't looked it up but does it have to do with EPH 6:1-3 “Children, obey your parents because you belong to the Lord, for this is the right thing to do. 'Honor your father and mother.' This is the first commandment with a promise: If you honor your father and mother, 'Things will go well for you, and you will have a long life on the earth.'" ???

 

[marks]

I haven't looked it up but does it have to do with EPH 6:1-3 “Children, obey your parents because you belong to the Lord, for this is the right thing to do. 'Honor your father and mother.' This is the first commandment with a promise: If you honor your father and mother, 'Things will go well for you, and you will have a long life on the earth.'" ???

Perhaps you don't really want to know what he says about this . . .

Much love!

 

[Laurina]

Perhaps you don't really want to know what he says about this . . .

Much love!

What do you mean by that??? ...ouch!!

I just asked if it had to do with the verse, "Children obey your parents", and I asked because that verse was drilled into my head as a kid!!