Nothing much left to say

[I.O.U]

Well, you have a problem then. Because I'm not changing in order to relieve you of your 'pain'. If the truth hurts that much, it's you who will have to change your mentality. You will have to deal with it another way if you are going to continue to read my posts.

Let's say for argument sake that I did accept the gospel of the Christ as it is. What makes you think that I'd be inclined to be in unison with you or any other believer on this planet. If you say that doesn't matter, then your truth is mote.
Truth is not what you believe and what I believe differently (and I rarely say this)
I am confident that I understand the Gospel of the Christ over anyone on this forum. This reason being that even though I do not accept Jesus as the son of God, I understand his message overall. That's what's supposed to be important. Mind you what I notice Christian's lacking today is an actual humanity that Jesus warned people not to lose. Where is your empathy Christian's? Where is it?

 

[Brakelite]

Let's say for argument sake that I did accept the gospel of the Christ as it is. What makes you think that I'd be inclined to be in unison with you or any other believer on this planet. If you say that doesn't matter, then your truth is mote.
Truth is not what you believe and what I believe differently (and I rarely say this)
I am confident that I understand the Gospel of the Christ over anyone on this forum. This reason being that even though I do not accept Jesus as the son of God, I understand his message overall. That's what's supposed to be important. Mind you what I notice Christian's lacking today is an actual humanity that Jesus warned people not to lose. Where is your empathy Christian's? Where is it?

The gospel is simple. And if you understood it as well as you claim, you would have accepted it long ago. The gospel isn't some subjective truth open to the whims and fancies of interpretation. The gospel is found throughout the scriptures, beginning in the 3rd chapter of Genesis. It isn't about what we do or don't do... The gospel is all about what Christ has done, and what He promises to do in the life of the one who believes. But the choice is always ours to accept our reject. Religious freedom was so important to God, that the Son died in your place, leaving it up to you whether you believe... Or not.
KJV John 1:1-5, 10-14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[Brakelite]

Let's say for argument sake that I did accept the gospel of the Christ as it is. What makes you think that I'd be inclined to be in unison with you or any other believer on this planet. If you say that doesn't matter, then your truth is mote.
Truth is not what you believe and what I believe differently (and I rarely say this)
I am confident that I understand the Gospel of the Christ over anyone on this forum. This reason being that even though I do not accept Jesus as the son of God, I understand his message overall. That's what's supposed to be important. Mind you what I notice Christian's lacking today is an actual humanity that Jesus warned people not to lose. Where is your empathy Christian's? Where is it?

So once one accepts Christ's sacrifice on his behalf, then we need to decide what we do with the precious gift weaa have received. And there I tend to agree with you, that Christians, while generally accepting that their lives ought to reflect the virtues and example of the one in whom they believe, do generally fall short of that standard. But let us take great care to not condemn Christianity wholesale, because without church hospitals, schools, charities, clinics, orphanages, old folk care, personal outreach and generosity, then the onus of looking after those in need would fall upon governments, and secular folk would then be paying taxes commensurate with the increased burden in spending, including the establishment of a massive number of institutions to replace those owned and operated by churches, which to a great extent are non profit organizations without the bureaucracy that inevitably sucks in a large percentage of the costs.

 

[Ziggy]

When your father dies, are you going to do what then. Let's wait and find out how you feel about Jesus and love after.

I'm having a good time with my dad right now.
If his psychotic girlfriend would stop calling things would be much better.

We all die I.O.U. My mother, my 2 brother's, my husband, my MIL, my dog, my cats.
I been through loss and Jesus still loves me and I still love him.

Now this psychotic girlfriend......
I think she gave my dad food poisoning with some bad sausage and he ended up in the hospital with Ecoli poisoning.
He's on some heavy duty antibiotics which make him lightheaded and nauseaus.
So she calls breakfast, lunch, and dinner, I believe to get him worked up and make him ugly.

Tonight she was asking when he was coming home.
She's going to New York Friday to see her grandson. My dad can't travel and he's still mending. Still has a catheter. St ill having problems going the bathroom.
She says she don't want to be a nurse. don't like wiping his butt, and doesn't want to be responsible for his medical stuff.
So, if he goes back, she goes to NY or wherever.. then what?

So she whining, oh your not coming back? He says he has to get better first, but she keeps asking...
You don't want to be with me anymore? And he told her he don't know. He needs time to think about it.
That went over like a lead rock.

Always he comes with me to get better, he goes back to her and ends up in the hospital.
Coincidence?
There are no coincidences.

Don't mind my ranting, it's been a long day.
But I know things are going to get better.
I'm going to try and convince him to stay with me. Because with her, it's all about her.
She doesn't even ask him how he's feeling when she calls, just whines about how she's done everything for him and how she doesn't feel appreciated.

I'm thinking about changing my phone number, but it's really not my call.
He's going to have to make a decision and tell her like it is.
He's happy here, he eats well, he sleeps well, there's no aggravation or arguments.
I keep it a quiet and easy environment.
And he looks 100% better than when I picked him up at the hospital last week, but we're not out of the woods yet.

I'll miss my dad when he dies. Just like I missed my mom and everyone else in my family that's gone before me.
But I'm going to make what life he has left as comfortable as possible.
That's my mission.

And believe me, if it wasn't for my faith in Jesus and his patience coursing through my soul.
I'd probably be in jail for homocide.
I believe she's trying to kill my father.
And I don't want him to go back to that rancid environment.

It's his choice, but I believe he has already decided that he's home.

Hugs

 

[Gottservant]

A man's despair, only gradually gets answered by faith.

My brothers may be struggling with what to say about a lack of faith, but they are growing in character in the process.

 

[I.O.U]

I'm having a good time with my dad right now.
If his psychotic girlfriend would stop calling things would be much better.

We all die I.O.U. My mother, my 2 brother's, my husband, my MIL, my dog, my cats.
I been through loss and Jesus still loves me and I still love him.

Now this psychotic girlfriend......
I think she gave my dad food poisoning with some bad sausage and he ended up in the hospital with Ecoli poisoning.
He's on some heavy duty antibiotics which make him lightheaded and nauseaus.
So she calls breakfast, lunch, and dinner, I believe to get him worked up and make him ugly.

Tonight she was asking when he was coming home.
She's going to New York Friday to see her grandson. My dad can't travel and he's still mending. Still has a catheter. St ill having problems going the bathroom.
She says she don't want to be a nurse. don't like wiping his butt, and doesn't want to be responsible for his medical stuff.
So, if he goes back, she goes to NY or wherever.. then what?

So she whining, oh your not coming back? He says he has to get better first, but she keeps asking...
You don't want to be with me anymore? And he told her he don't know. He needs time to think about it.
That went over like a lead rock.

Always he comes with me to get better, he goes back to her and ends up in the hospital.
Coincidence?
There are no coincidences.

Don't mind my ranting, it's been a long day.
But I know things are going to get better.
I'm going to try and convince him to stay with me. Because with her, it's all about her.
She doesn't even ask him how he's feeling when she calls, just whines about how she's done everything for him and how she doesn't feel appreciated.

I'm thinking about changing my phone number, but it's really not my call.
He's going to have to make a decision and tell her like it is.
He's happy here, he eats well, he sleeps well, there's no aggravation or arguments.
I keep it a quiet and easy environment.
And he looks 100% better than when I picked him up at the hospital last week, but we're not out of the woods yet.

I'll miss my dad when he dies. Just like I missed my mom and everyone else in my family that's gone before me.
But I'm going to make what life he has left as comfortable as possible.
That's my mission.

And believe me, if it wasn't for my faith in Jesus and his patience coursing through my soul.
I'd probably be in jail for homocide.
I believe she's trying to kill my father.
And I don't want him to go back to that rancid environment.

It's his choice, but I believe he has already decided that he's home.

Hugs

Why is she hanging around? Is she waiting for some kind of inheritance?

 

[I.O.U]

So once one accepts Christ's sacrifice on his behalf, then we need to decide what we do with the precious gift weaa have received. And there I tend to agree with you, that Christians, while generally accepting that their lives ought to reflect the virtues and example of the one in whom they believe, do generally fall short of that standard. But let us take great care to not condemn Christianity wholesale, because without church hospitals, schools, charities, clinics, orphanages, old folk care, personal outreach and generosity, then the onus of looking after those in need would fall upon governments, and secular folk would then be paying taxes commensurate with the increased burden in spending, including the establishment of a massive number of institutions to replace those owned and operated by churches, which to a great extent are non profit organizations without the bureaucracy that inevitably sucks in a large percentage of the costs.

There's simply nothing Jesus needs or wants from me. Saying Jesus requires a relationship means he needs something from me. Unless I need Jesus for myself, then that would make me a narcissist.

 

[I.O.U]

A man's despair, only gradually gets answered by faith.

My brothers may be struggling with what to say about a lack of faith, but they are growing in character in the process.

It's not what you think. I am continuously entangled with my daughters emotional state. It seems we are grating each other in desperation to break the connection.

 

[I.O.U]

My death would (I hope) ultimately free her from the entanglement.

 

[I.O.U]

 

[Ziggy]

Why is she hanging around? Is she waiting for some kind of inheritance?

Not any more. Dad changed the Trust from her son's name to my daughter's.
They been together for over 20 years. I think she just likes having control and yet not wanting to be responsible.
Also whenever she cries, dad gets her what she wants, so there's that.
She thinks she can treat me like a babysitter for when she wants to get away.
I been doing that for almost 6 years now. I don't have a problem with it, but dad is having trouble getting in and out of the car, walking up and down the ramp....
He just wants to be comfortable in one place. Not being bounced back and forth like a yo-yo.
I rather he stay with me. I know I can take care of him better. I have more room and more patience.
I don't order fast food and feed him junk food. I don't leave him stranded for hours to hang out at the pantry, or go on trips with the kids.
She's a busy woman.
I think neither one wants to be the one to say goodbye, but they are both ready to walk away.
It's a tough situation, and I back him with whatever decision he makes. But I think he's already made up his mind.
He's not going back, but he hasn't said it out loud to her yet.

I think if she had her way she would put him in elderly care and visit him whenever ot suits her, and she would be able to handle the ummm checkbook. That's changing now, and she's not happy about it.

I been on the phone for 5 hours waiting for someone to answer to renew dad's Social Security Benefits.
Does anyone work anymore???
Anywhooooo...

That's all I know.
Thanks for asking

Hugs

 

[I.O.U]

Not any more. Dad changed the Trust from her son's name to my daughter's.
They been together for over 20 years. I think she just likes having control and yet not wanting to be responsible.
Also whenever she cries, dad gets her what she wants, so there's that.
She thinks she can treat me like a babysitter for when she wants to get away.
I been doing that for almost 6 years now. I don't have a problem with it, but dad is having trouble getting in and out of the car, walking up and down the ramp....
He just wants to be comfortable in one place. Not being bounced back and forth like a yo-yo.
I rather he stay with me. I know I can take care of him better. I have more room and more patience.
I don't order fast food and feed him junk food. I don't leave him stranded for hours to hang out at the pantry, or go on trips with the kids.
She's a busy woman.
I think neither one wants to be the one to say goodbye, but they are both ready to walk away.
It's a tough situation, and I back him with whatever decision he makes. But I think he's already made up his mind.
He's not going back, but he hasn't said it out loud to her yet.

I think if she had her way she would put him in elderly care and visit him whenever ot suits her, and she would be able to handle the ummm checkbook. That's changing now, and she's not happy about it.

I been on the phone for 5 hours waiting for someone to answer to renew dad's Social Security Benefits.
Does anyone work anymore???
Anywhooooo...

That's all I know.
Thanks for asking

Hugs

People can be so petty about maintaining their own financial security over other people's lives. It's not like they can escape the inevitable. Here's a Bible verse for you to quote: (What benifits a man if he gains the whole world but losses his own soul) Sure you can get everything you want, but you'll become a soulless unemotional entity.

 

[I.O.U]

When we screw someone over to get what we want then someone else suffers, then other people suffer in connection to the person who's been hard done by, then we all suffer the cost of what one person started (Much like Hitler) It's a domino effect. Basically I'm saying. Just don't do anything, be like the jellyfish.

 

[Brakelite]

There's simply nothing Jesus needs or wants from me. Saying Jesus requires a relationship means he needs something from me. Unless I need Jesus for myself, then that would make me a narcissist.

Jesus wants a relationship because He loves you. He knows beyond any shadow of doubt that such a relationship is for your good.

 

[I.O.U]

Jesus wants a relationship because He loves you. He knows beyond any shadow of doubt that such a relationship is for your good.

Jesus needs anything?

 

[Brakelite]

Jesus needs anything?

If Jesus needed something, that would make Him less than perfect. He desires to know you but for your sake, that He may do you good,.
KJV Jeremiah 29:11-13
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your hea
rt.

 

[Brakelite]

One thing I notice among most atheists and agnostics, at least the ones who frequent here, is that they seem to fully recognize the evil and wickedness so common to man, and generally would seek a solution. What is so sad and inexplicable is that when presented with the solution by those here, they reject and condemn He Whom they don't know, and reject and condemn the Way He taught which they don't understand.

 

[I.O.U]

If Jesus needed something, that would make Him less than perfect. He desires to know you but for your sake, that He may do you good,.
KJV Jeremiah 29:11-13
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your hea
rt.

You just repeated the same formula again, that Jesus wants or needs something. Jesus already knows me, he's not incomplete without me. Hey, I'm starting to think that it's the persons belief that demands a relationship or whatever with me. Because you watch how fast a person turns on you if you err slightly on what you've been instructed to believe.

 

[Brakelite]

You just repeated the same formula again, that Jesus wants or needs something. Jesus already knows me, he's not incomplete without me. Hey, I'm starting to think that it's the persons belief that demands a relationship or whatever with me. Because you watch how fast a person turns on you if you err slightly on what you've been instructed to believe.

You're guessing.

 

[FlySwatter]

You're guessing.

No he isn't.

He stated the "truth" or rather the biblical message. God/Jesus supposedly knows everything and everyone, their every deed and thought. So he already has total intimacy with everyone whether they like it or not. According to the Bible and the dogma, everything is known to God at all times. So he's watching/knowing every time you have sex, every time you go to the toilet, every time people pleasure themselves, every time you have a bath etc. You can't get more intimate than that really.

And therein lies a key problem with the entire Christian dogma. You can't have a true relationship with someone who is already forcibly in every aspect of your life whether you want it or not. That's like having to submit to an uber stalker.

Equally as has been highlighted numerous times, you can't have any kind of true relationship with someone who forces it psychologically through threat of violence or death in varying measures. i.e. worship me or face a fiery lake and eternal damnation. The fundies who really think this is the case are imo some of the most misguided individuals on the planet and often some of the most gutless.

We should all of us be free. We are not free while ever our lives and futures are being controlled by other people/entities.

God needs to set people free, properly free, to live as they please, or else stop pretending that he isn't an Authoritarian dictator.