Does God love burning people in hell?

[St. SteVen]

To "Be saved" you have to know why you need to be....

I would say it has nothing to do with us, or what we do.
It is only about God, and what Christ has done on our behalf.

Romans 5:6 NIV
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless,
Christ died for the ungodly.

Romans 4:4-5 NIV
Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly,
their faith is credited as righteousness.

 

[Behold]

‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance,

The "blessed" in this verse would be the born again.
They get the "inheritance"..

Now to become that......to become the possessor of the "inheritance", ...

Jesus said...

"you must be born again"... and not by water but "by my SPIRIT, sayeth the LORD".

And to be born again, is something God does for the Believer, through the Holy Spirit.



Who has the "inheritance". = Its all the Born again, who BELIEVED "the Gospel".

All the born again are "heirs of God" and "joint Heirs with Jesus"....

Now.....What is the Gospel?

Its the sharing of the Cross of Christ, with unbelievers. This sharing, or teaching or "preaching the Cross", is how they hear "the Gospel".. so that they can give God their FAITH, in Christ.

"Faith, comes by HEARING" the Gospel.

The Gospel is given by Paul. Its "the Gospel of the Grace of God"., this is "the preaching of The Cross".

Notice these verses..

This is Paul..

18 For the PREACHING OF THE CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the POWER OF GOD.

23 But we preach CHRIST CRUCIFIED...., unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the GENTILES foolishness.



So....What is the Preaching of the Cross?

Its the ""Gospel of the Grace of God."

 

[St. SteVen]

It all boils down to accepting Christ or face the consequences

Has everyone had that opportunity? (nope)

 

[Behold]

I would say it has nothing to do with us, or what we do.

but trusts God who justifies the ungodly,

their faith is credited as righteousness.

Notice in your first post, you deny your 2nd and 3rd.

See it?

You have to BELIEVE....... that is your part.

Jesus said.>"all that BELIEVE IN ME>......... i give unto them, Eternal LiFE, and they shall never go to Hell (Perish)".

God's part is that He has offered Jesus on the Cross.
Our part is to hear this "Gospel" and BELIEVE.

 

[St. SteVen]

Now.....What is the Gospel?

Ask ten different Christians, get ten different answers.
You seem to be stuck on evangelical Protestant dogma.
No offense, I was raised that way as well.
Currently in recovery.

 

[St. SteVen]

Notice in your first post, you deny your 2nd and 3rd.

You edited out the "does not" in the 2nd quote. - LOL

 

[St. SteVen]

God's part is that He has offered Jesus on the Cross.
Our part is to hear this "Gospel" and BELIEVE.

I agree.
Where we may disagree is if and when the door closes on the offer.

 

[St. Joseph]

Has everyone had that opportunity? (nope)

Yes. The spirit strives with every person after reaching age of accountability. Just like it did with you.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes. The spirit strives with every person after reaching age of accountability. Just like it did with you.

How does that equate to everyone having an opportunity?
That only makes sense in "the land of opportunity".

 

[St. Joseph]

How does that equate to everyone having an opportunity?

By giving heed to the Spirit when he convicts and pulls at you.

What would you say an opportunity would be?

 

[Behold]

I agree.
Where we may disagree is if and when the door closes on the offer.

The door closes on the offer of salvation like this..

John 3:36. ""(God's wrath REMAINS on them)""

1.) you died in unbelief, never born again., and there is no eternal remedy for the "unpardonable sin".

Why?

There is no Cross in Hell.
There is no Jesus's Blood in Hell.
There is no 2nd Chance to be born again, in Hell.

You went there because you died a "son of the DEVIL" and this is not able to change, once you leave your body (death)....and enter eternity.
What is a son of the Devil? ??? Who?
Its this one.
Jesus said.....>"You are of YOUR FATHER, THE DEVIL, and the lusts of YOUR FATHER, you will do".

This is every UNBELIEVER.......all of them, who have never been BORN AGAIN.

St Steven.
The reason Jesus said, that '" you must be BORN AGAIN" is because unless you are, you remain the spiritual progeny of THE DEVIL.
He remains your Spiritual Father.

Being "born again", means you have changed FATHERS.

See that? And you have to if you want to end up with the Father of Jesus...

To be born again, means that GOD has birthed you as HIS Spiritual SON, ........ and now the Devil is no longer your father.

See that?
And God has to do that for you, not water baptism.

Welcome to why you have to be BORN AGAIN by the Spirit of GOD....... and water can't do that for you.
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2.) Here is the other way you know for certain that a person is hell bound, and is just waiting to die, so they can go to hell.

This person is : "Seared Conscience".

What is that?
That is a person, whose HEART is so hardened in unbelief... that they have crossed an eternal line, and can never be "drawn by the Holy Spirit" to Faith in Christ.
Not ever.
They are literally passed the point of no return.......and they are still breathing.

This is usually not an Atheist..
Its usually a church member, who has had so much church, so much religion, ... that they are immure to it.
They are unable to hear the call of God in the heart, any longer and were never born again before that became their HEART.
There is no way back to BELIEF for this one.

No need to pray for that one, as their SIN of UNBELIEF, that is the "unpardonable sin"..... will follow them into eternity.

What sin?

= "Christ Rejection" which is why you end up in Hell......as this is the "unpardonable sin".

See, to reject Christ is to reject PARDON of your sin.
In other words.....God can't forgive you, if you reject the forgiveness. = The "unpardonable Sin".

 

[Behold]

You seem to be stuck on evangelical Protestant dogma.

You can ask 10 different religious people, and get more than 10 wrong answers.
You can ask 10 different "professing believers" and get what they were told to tell you.

I wont do that.
I will tell you to do this. Do not listen to "just anyone". Instead find a REAL TEACHER, to learn the word.
Its why God calls "teachers"..... like me...."for the perfecting of the FAITH of the Saints".

You're not going to know, or realize it, but had you read me for the last 2-3 yrs, here, my Hundreds of Threads, and Thousands of posts..
You would see the silver Thread that joins them all together.
Its this.
Paul said...

KJ21
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
ASV
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
AMP
for I made the decision to know nothing [that is, to forego philosophical or theological discussions regarding inconsequential things and opinions while] among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified [and the meaning of His redemptive, substitutionary death and His resurrection].
AMPC
For I resolved to know nothing (to be acquainted with nothing, to make a display of the knowledge of nothing, and to be conscious of nothing) among you except Jesus Christ (the Messiah) and Him crucified.

See that?
That's a real teacher.
And if you read my 1st Thread i ever posted here...... or what i taught today, you'll begin to realize that all my "teaching" is CROSS< CROSS CROSS< CROSS< CROSS< CROSS.

That's a real one, St Steven
Thats a fact.

I will only tell you what Paul says and everything He teaches is CROSS CENTERED, "always about the CROSS". "Jesus on the Cross".. "the Shed blood of Jesus on the Cross".. The Salvation by God that is the Blood Atonement that is the ""Cross of CHRIST".
"The Preaching of the Cross". that is the "power of God, unto Salvation".

Not commandments.
Not Mary
Not Water Baptism
Not the Law
Not trying to be like Christ

So, if What he says is not for you, then that is an issue that Peter, Mary, The Pope, and "denominations" wont be able to resolve.

See, the Gospel, is "the Gospel of the Grace of God"... That is literally the CROSS OF CHRIST.
There is only 1.= ONE.= Gospel.
It came from Jesus to Paul as "revelation".

Paul said, "i received this revelation, (The Gospel) not from MAN, but from Jesus".
This is why Paul calls the Gospel..>"my Gospel". 3x in the New Testament.

Jesus said .. "He (Paul) is a chosen vessel" who was chosen to be the "apostle to the gentiles", in the "time of the Gentiles" and WE are ALL in the Time of the Gentiles, right now.
He alone is called to be the "apostle to the Gentiles" in the "time of the Gentiles".
You're in it, reader.
So, His Gospel, is THE ONLY GOSPEL.... and that is :

2 Corinthians 5:19

 

[St. SteVen]

By giving heed to the Spirit when he convicts and pulls at you.

I agree with that.

What would you say an opportunity would be?

Based on what you were posting, a gospel presentation to respond to.
But that's my point. Not everyone has had a gospel presentation to respond to.
If that is the means, not everyone has had the opportunity.

 

[St. Joseph]

I agree with that.

BAsed on what you were posting, a gospel presentation to respond to.
But that's my point. Not everyone has had a gospel presentation to respond to.
If that is the means, not everyone has had the opportunity.

People in the darkest jungles where no bibles or missionaries have been,still have the opportunity. God is convicting.

 

[St. SteVen]

1.) you died in unbelief, never born again., and there is no eternal remedy for the "unpardonable sin".

The "unpardonable sin"?
Another "gift" from evangelicalism.
But, I suppose that's another topic.
In other words, I disagree.

 

[St. SteVen]

There is no 2nd Chance to be born again, in Hell.

I'm not claiming a second chance.
Nothing is left to chance in reference to our salvation.
Already paid in full.

 

[St. SteVen]

See that?
And God has to do that for you, not water baptism.

Welcome to why you have to be BORN AGAIN by the Spirit of GOD....... and water can't do that for you.

Perhaps I gave you the impression that I am Catholic?
I am not. I'm still Protestant. But I have a lot of respect for my Catholic brothers and sisters.
Ask them if they're BORN AGAIN.

 

[St. SteVen]

See, to reject Christ is to reject PARDON of your sin.
In other words.....God can't forgive you, if you reject the forgiveness. = The "unpardonable Sin".

Most non-Christians have not consciously rejected God. (or forgiveness)
In fact, forgiveness does not require the forgiven to receive it.

We are required to forgive whether the forgiven acknowledges it or not.
Are you saying God would harbor unforgiveness on that basis?
What happens if we do that? (God can't forgive us)
Does God operate at a lower standard than he holds us to?

 

[St. SteVen]

I wont do that.
I will tell you to do this. Do not listen to "just anyone". Instead find a REAL TEACHER, to learn the word.
Its why God calls "teachers"..... like me...."for the perfecting of the FAITH of the Saints".

I'm working to unlearn most of what I learned when I was like you.
I am not unlearned, as you suppose.

I was a former Elder and Adult Sunday School teacher in an evangelical church.
I have read the whole Bible, studied it for years, and have been on religious forums
for many years debating all sorts of topics.

You aren't telling me anything new. I appreciate your concern for my "lost" soul. Thanks.

 

[St. SteVen]

People in the darkest jungles where no bibles or missionaries have been,still have the opportunity. God is convicting.

How does that work?