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Thanks for listening to uncle Bob brother,

Np Johann.

One of my very best friends, of 44 yrs, is a Southern Baptist Assistant Pastor, among other things.
He's retired now.
He has 4 kids.

I have studied "Baptist" doctrine, and most others, so that i can understand where they agree with Paul, and where they left the building having turned onto Heresy Street.

God directed me to learn how to understand all that when i was about 4 yrs into my ministry, because i asked Him one day..."Father, why do so many denominations exist ?????, and why do believers never believe the same , etc. ????
God answered me., (Holy Spirit) .."Christ in you"...... within seconds.
This was in the Summer time, about 6:30am, and i was sitting on a porch swing, studying the word, over 3 decades ago.
He told me, essentially .....>"you have to learn what isn't true, so that what is true is left standing and obvious.".
"This is because the Devil is very cunning, and He mixes Truth and Error together, as his Theology, and its very difficult to know its wrong, unless you are skilled to know...
You have to study to find out what is doctrinally wrong, so that you can understand what is the TRUTH.
By finding out what is theologically and spiritually wrong, you discover what is absolutely Right."""


Then, God began to send me into places, to learn how to teach them, and to learn how to Evangelize, how to deal with religious haters, and evil people, while i was learning how to hear in the Spirit realm, = what is wrong with a person's belief system.
The best way to understand what i can do for 30 yrs, regarding what im doing here, is for you to understand the term : "Spiritual Hygienist".
I use Paul's Doctrine and the Cross of Christ to highlight and then root out error in a believer's theology., or in an unbelievers religious cult teaching.
This is also known as "tearing down strongholds" in believers.
Strongholds, Johann, Marks, and other Saints.... are wrong theological belief systems.....that are built on the foundation of pride.
AND.... when one is being torn down, it hurts pride and it causes anger inside the person who then bites back....
So Its better that this person be hurt and angry then hell-bound or harmful to other believers, who they can "faith ruin".
Its better to put the Heat of the Cross on someone, then to allow them to keep going in the wrong spiritual direction, for 40 more years.
That's how it is.
And isn't that better then God causing someone to drop dead or go blind? as "God is not mocked' and ive seen people die who mocked God and insulted the Cross and the Grace of God.
God has caused both to happen to people, in the NT as well.
God is so very serious about all this "Christian stuff".....He takes it just as seriously, as that Cross was absolute torture on His Son, = which forever proves that God is not kidding, is not joking, is not to be ignored or insulted.
Read the account of Paul causing the Male Witch to go blind.
I love to tell that to people who accuse me of "not showing Love", because im not agreeing with their cult, or their Cross denying Theology.
And these same would be the first to lie about me, or say something cruel to me, on a forum.
That's interesting, isn't it Reader.
They want all that "Love" tho.

"give me love, give me love, give me peace on earth".....so sang George Harrison. (Beatles).
He was looking for the Cross, and never found it, because He didn't want God's love.. .He wanted His religious idea of "love"., as His Religion.
That is the "broad way" that "leads to Destruction".
He found it.


If only they knew anything about the Bible, Paul, Jesus, The Cross, or Christianity.....the REAL stuff. How it really works.
But, i do all i can to shove them forward into the Grace of God, as they scream and kick and at times, "hate".
Its what i do for them. Its Love, actually.. They just can't see it through their carnal eyeglasses.

Along my way to here= to 5-12-2023....., ive been seminary trained, trained in manuscript evidence, and had some fine teachers.
Ive worked in Christian Radio, In Health Care, and as a specialized type of Industrial Draftsman. Ive had 2 businesses, and worked in Retail, and i make Jewelry........@really. Mostly. make Earrings for women.
I can post photos, but is that "boasting"..???????? .as i'd hate to be "called out" again...... (smile).
I'm very creative, as i'm an Artist, and not just a Cross Preaching "Pauline Theologist",
I also go to the gym a lot....but that is not really "job related".
Before any of the "Christianity", i was a musician, and am still one of those..
Mostly finger-style Guitar and ive written about 5 CDs of (Guitar/Vocal) "Christian Music".
My first "office in the Church" was as : Ministry of Music. (Worship Leader).

"Ok, ladies only on the 3rd verse, "........ and can we have the Men come in on the Chorus......

"Oh Victory in Jesus, my Savior forever""................

Yeah, like that.
Been there.

But, and However.....Paul is my main devotion regarding my Ministry, and Jesus is my true Light for Life.

My Friend i mentioned. is a preacher's kid.
His Dad was a Southern Baptist Minister and His Son, my Friend, was what the Baptist's refer to as an "officer in the Church".
He was mostly an Assistant Pastor, or similar, for about 40 yrs.... but never was the "Pastor" at large.
This same person, when i met him, was dealing drugs and also working in the ministry.
Really.
He was a born again, yet...drug dealer, who worked in the Church Faithfully.
This part of His "testimony" always freaks out people who are self righteous, and dont know anything about the Cross of Christ or the Grace of God.
Its sort of the same response i get when i tell people i was born again, and called into the Ministry about 8 yrs later, and yet it was 11 years after i was born again, that i got water baptized.
And when that happened, the person said to me of the water...>"there go your sins"... as if the water washed my sin away.
So, a cultist church water baptized me 11 yrs after i was born again..
Reader, does that count? Should i get a water redo? Is a 2nd Dunk going to make me better, stronger, and more life-like?
I surely dont care, as i dont trust in water, nor do i trust in Faith...., i Trust in Christ.
How about YOU?


Reader,
I can assure you that my Assistant Pastor Friend, was faithful to the Church, and also to his drug addiction.
He just had a recreational drug issue that was solved, but it took some years., and He never missed a Sunday, up front.
Of course that was long ago, and he left all that over time, after some years... as i said....... and eventually worked in 3 or 4 Baptist Churches as they like to move their Pastors and Assistant Pastors and Ministers of Music around and around like Pin-Balls.
So, that "progressive sanctification", that you are into Johann, was something that for Him, came to pass.
So, im use to the Mainline Baptist Theology that you are currently enjoying.

As far as a "Baptist" church.........i think that to be joined to the "Baptist Convention"..... as one of their satellite churches, is best found when they are "autonomous"
And the Baptist Leadership (mainline Baptist) do allow for some leeway, in their satellite churches., which is good.


Ok then.


-Later all
 
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So, if Paul's doctrine does not agree with yours, then when someone show you yours, that is "division".

That is very funny.

You're a comedian, and not just a broken Theology.
The "division" is what Paul talked about. It is creating an insurmountable barrier between those who wish to believe the truth and those who don't, between those who wish to live a godly life and those who don't, between those who love and edify and those who don't.

We can disagree agreeably on many things. We can't disagree on cardinal doctrines, but neither can we disagree on what "Christian love" is. You either have it or you don't. If you lose your love, even as you teach Christian doctrine, God will take away your lampstand.

Rev 3.2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3 You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.
4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first.
 
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Along my way to here= to 5-12-2023....., ive been seminary trained, trained in manuscript evidence, and had some fine teachers.
Ive worked in Christian Radio, In Health Care, and as a specialized type of Industrial Draftsman. Ive had 2 businesses, and worked in Retail, and i make Jewelry........@really. Mostly. make Earrings for women.
I can post photos, but is that "boasting"..???????? .as i'd hate to be "called out" again...... (smile).
I'm very creative, as i'm an Artist, and not just a Cross Preaching "Pauline Theologist",
I also go to the gym a lot....but that is not really "job related".
Before any of the "Christianity", i was a musician, and am still one of those..
Mostly finger-style Guitar and ive written about 5 CDs of (Guitar/Vocal) "Christian Music".
My first "office in the Church" was as : Ministry of Music. (Worship Leader).
I really don't care about what talents God gave you, or the opportunities He's given you to use them. If you do all this without "love," you're just a "sounding gong."
 
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So, im use to the Mainline Baptist Theology that you are enjoying.
The Great Commission (cf. Matt. 28:18-20; Luke 24:46-47; Acts 1:8) mandates both evangelism and discipleship. Bob has been involved in both of these for more than 50 years. He has participated in at least 45 international evangelistic crusades where thousands of people trusted Christ. Although these crusades were wonderful evangelistic experiences, a lack of follow-up materials for discipleship was evident to him. God's will is for disciples, not decisions only! He saw the absence of Bible studies resources in other countries that were affordable and of good quality. This was a burden on his heart and he was willing to help remedy this problem.

While teaching hermeneutics in an OMS seminary in Haiti, God spoke to Bob's heart about providing his Bible studies free to the world. He structured his commentaries to provide an in-depth resource for churches, pastors and lay people. The Bible studies emphasize the original author's intent, by means of: (1) context, (2) history, (3) word studies, (4) grammar, (5) genre and (6) parallel passages. Several years ago Bob's commentaries were included in the Logos Bible Study Software. Soon after, Logos contacted Bob on behalf of Dr. Bill Bright (Founder of Campus Crusade for Christ) to include his NT commentaries on a CD-Rom of training material for CCC ministers. They planned to translate them into 50 languages and give them away free of charge. However, Bill Bright went home to heaven before the project was finished. Because of his experience in Haiti and the anticipation of the project with CCC, Bob felt this was Divine direction for him to pursue this new Great Commission task!

Bible Lessons International now produces exegetical commentaries and other Bible study aids in 50 languages and puts them online free for the world. You can:

read them online
download them to your hard drive
print them out
Bob is married to the former Peggy Rutta and they have three children and five grandchildren. He has earned degrees from

East Texas Baptist College
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary with Biblical Languages
Trinity Evangelical Divinity School
Has done post-graduate work at Baylor University
Wycliffe Bible Translators' Summer Institute of Linguistics
He has pastored several churches in Texas and has been Interim Pastor of over 20 churches in Texas and Louisiana. Bob taught for 16 years in the Religion Department at East Texas Baptist University. Currently he conducts Bible Conferences and Revivals in the U.S. and abroad.

RESUME/CURRICULUM VITA OF ROBERT JAMES UTLEY

BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION


Family Status: Married to the former Peggy Rutta, a registered nurse (graduate of Memorial Baptist School of Nursing, Houston, Texas). Peggy is presently office manager for Bible Lessons International. Bob and Peggy are the parents of three children:

Michelle, born 1971, a graduate of Ouachita Baptist University (granddaughters, Taylor Ann, born October, 1997, and Tiffany Lynn, 2000-2019)
Jason, born 1973, graduate of East Texas Baptist University, married to the former Shannen Lloyd (granddaughter Avery Grace, born September, 2004, and grandson Noah Daniel, born December, 2006)
Jeremy, born, 1977, graduate of Panola Junior College School of Nursing (Registered Nurse) and now has the D.S. and M.S. degrees from Texas Tech. He is a Nurse Practioner in Longview, Texas; married to the former Daniell Byrd (grandson, Tucker, born August, 2002, and Drake Scott Utley, born July 2, 2008).
CHRISTIAN EXPERIENCE

1959 Accepted Jesus Christ as Savior at First Baptist Church, Bellaire, TX

1968 Surrendered to Vocational Ministry at First Baptist Church, Bellaire, TX

1969 Licensed to the Gospel Ministry at First Baptist Church, Bellaire, TX

1971 Ordained to the Gospel Ministry at First Baptist Church, Bellaire, TX



PASTORAL EXPERIENCE

1970‒1972 Pastor, Nesbitt Baptist Church, Marshall, TX

1973‒1976 Associate Pastor, Sagamore Hill Baptist Church, Ft. Worth, TX

1976‒1985 Pastor, Trinity Baptist Church, Lubbock, TX

1987 Interim Pastor, Oakwood Baptist Church, Lubbock, TX

1991 Interim Pastor, First Baptist Church, Tyler, TX

1992 Interim Pastor, First Baptist Church, Van, TX

1993‒1995 Interim Pastor, First Baptist Church, Henderson, TX

1995 Interim Pastor, First Baptist Church, Pittsburg, TX

1995‒1996 Interim Pastor, First Baptist Church, Lufkin, TX

1996 Interim Pastor, Hillcrest Baptist Church, Jasper, TX

1997‒1998 Interim Pastor, North Monroe Baptist Church, Monroe, LA

1998‒1999 Interim Pastor, First Baptist Church, Monroe, LA

2000 Interim Pastor, First Baptist Church, Marshall, TX

2000‒2001 Interim Pastor, North Monroe Baptist Church, Monroe, LA

2001‒2002 Interim Pastor, Cypress Baptist Church, Benton, LA

2002 Interim Pastor, Parkview Baptist Church, Monroe, LA

2005‒2007 Interim Pastor, First Baptist Church, West Monroe, LA

2008‒2010 Interim Pastor, Lakeside Baptist Church, Dallas, TX

2010‒2011 Interim Pastor, First Baptist Church Monroe, LA

2011‒2012 Interim Pastor, First Baptist Church, Marshall, TX

Much more-not your ordinary Baptist preacher.

I'm happy where I am, fellowship with the saints, having a pastor, deceased now, yet "speaks"
I don't agree with what you are saying brother-and whenever you comment, I don't get a notification, probably good.

Johann.
 

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What you've "found" is that you like to hear yourself Post.
And the reality is....what i said is True, tho it was not to boast, it was only to remind Johann, that what im doing here, is what He calls "works'.
He has this bizarre idea that my Thread is trying to deny or overlook, or just ignore.... that we are to "present our body a living Sacrifice".
So strange.

Now, Look at this "boasting"..
More of that "Paul stuff" you've never read.

Paul said..

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But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all the other Apostles—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. """""
You don't seem to understand where Paul was coming from? He utterly depreciated his own boasting, and only threw it back at his detractors to show them that what matters is Christ. Paul could match the "super-apostles" boast for boast, but it mattered little next to the worth of knowing Christ.

To make the point Paul said he determined he would boast "in his weaknesses!" Are you doing that?

So it is not in the boasting, but in the edifying. But you think I've not read the Scriptures? Disagreeing with you is based on my many years of reading and learning the Scriptures.

You still haven't explained how you believe 1 John 2 when you deny the Christian is called upon to "be like Jesus?" You still haven't explained how you believe we are to "follow Jesus" and "accept him as Savior," beyond simply believing he died for our sins?

Where is your Scriptural understanding? And why do you feel the need to try to depreciate me whenever you respond?

It is you who are divisive, angry, and insulting when you call my beliefs heretical. All I've done is claim what the Bible does, that we utilize our human choice to follow Jesus, and in so doing choose his righteousness over our own. His righteousness is flawless and denies us any so-called "righteousness" we hope to accomplish without the help of the Holy Spirit.

The Apostle John teaches that if we wish to prove ourselves a genuine Christian we *must* live like Jesus did. This means that when we accept him we accept his righteousness as well. We choose to do *his works,* and repent of our own independent, sinful works. How on earth is this heretical?

You said, "Understanding the difference between "doing good" and being "made righteous", is very important for you to learn.
As, that is the knowledge that keeps you from being a deceived legalist.
Hebrews 13:9"


We are "made righteous" by the gift of Christ to us of his righteousness by grace. We "do good" by accepting his gift of righteousness, through his grace, and then acting on it. How on earth does this make me a "deceived legalist?"

"Counting us righteous by faith" does not mean we do not choose Christ along with his righteousness. We choose to "do good," or we are not genuine Christians at all!
 
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Reader,
I can assure you that my Assistant Pastor Friend, was faithful to the Church, and also to his drug addiction.
He just had a recreational drug issue that was solved, but it took some years., and He never missed a Sunday, up front.
Of course that was long ago, and he left all that over time, after some years... as i said....... and eventually worked in 3 or 4 Baptist Churches as they like to move their Pastors and Assistant Pastors and Ministers of Music around and around like Pin-Balls.
So, that "progressive sanctification", that you are into Johann, was something that for Him, came to pass.
So, im use to the Mainline Baptist Theology that you are currently enjoying.
I think this is a good example of the difference between the renewing of the mind, and walking in the Spirit. Our minds as Christians are improved over time, a better character, as we continue in the faith.

Walking in the Spirit seems to me to be a full on or full off based on our focus, if we are looking to Christ in heaven, if we are not condemning ourselves or trying to gain advantage for ourselves we live in the state God recreated us for, to walk in His Spirit. And in that we have victory always.

Otherwise God is still renewing our minds, which will still result in bringing us to victory over those things that trouble us.

Much love!
 

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You don't seem to understand where Paul was coming from? He utterly depreciated his own boasting, and only threw it back at his detractors to show them that what matters is Christ. Paul could match the "super-apostles" boast for boast, but it mattered little next to the worth of knowing Christ.
He talked about how foolish it was to do so.

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Otherwise God is still renewing our minds, which will still result in bringing us to victory over those things that trouble us.
"be transformed" Believers must be transformed (cf. Rom. 6:4; 7:6; 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15; Eph. 4:22-24; Col. 3:10), not just informed! The grammatical form of this term can be

PRESENT MIDDLE IMPERATIVE, "continue to transform yourselves"
PRESENT PASSIVE IMPERATIVE, "continue to be transformed"
This is also true of "conform" in Rom. 12:2a
For a similar contrast compare Ezek. 18:31 (human commitment and action) with Ezek 36:26-27 (divine gift). Both are needed!

A form of this same word for "formed" is used of Jesus at the Transfiguration (cf. Matt. 17:2), where His true essence was revealed. This true divine essence (cf. 2 Pet. 1:3-4) is to be formed in every believer (cf. 2 Cor. 3:18; Eph. 4:13).


"by the renewing of your mind" This is from the Greek root for new in quality (kainos) not new in time (chronos). For the Jews the senses of sight and hearing were the windows of the soul. What one thinks about, one becomes. After salvation, because of the indwelling Spirit, believers have a new perspective (cf. Eph. 4:13,23; Titus 3:5). This new biblical worldview, along with the indwelling Spirit, is what transforms the mind and lifestyle of new believers. Believers look at reality in a totally different way because their minds have been energized by the Spirit. A new redeemed, Spirit-led mind results in a new lifestyle! This is what the new covenant promised (cf. Jer. 31:31-34).
PRESENT MIDDLE IMPERATIVE, "continue to transform yourselves"
PRESENT PASSIVE IMPERATIVE, "continue to be transformed"

Be ye transformed (metamorphousthe). Present passive imperative of metamorphoō, another late verb, to transfigure as in Mat_17:2 (Mar_9:2); 2Co_3:18, which see.

On the distinction between schēma and morphē, see note on Php_2:8. There must be a radical change in the inner man for one to live rightly in this evil age, “by the renewing of your mind” (tēi anakainōsei tou noos). Instrumental case. The new birth, the new mind, the new (kainos) man.

καὶ μὴ κ.τ.λ. This service of GOD involves a change in attitude of mind: it must no longer be set on meeting the demands of ‘this world’ by an adaptation which can only be superficial, but by a steady renewal of its true nature must work a radical transformation of character, till it accepts as its standard of action the Will of GOD, in all its goodness for man, its acceptance by GOD, and its perfection in execution. This sentence develops the consequence of ‘presenting our bodies etc.,’ says what that means for a man and explains what is involved, especially, in ζῶσαν and λογικήν; cf. closely Eph_4:22-24.

This is my solace @marks, a daily yielding, a daily renewing of the mind, a daily surrendering.

Accumulative head knowledge is not going to work, it is a utter yielding and reposing in union with Christ through the energetic work of the Holy Spirit, bringing about victory, daily.
Johann.
 
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“And he spake also a simile to them, that it behoveth [us] always to pray, and not to faint, saying, ‘A certain judge was in a certain city — God he is not fearing, and man he is not regarding — and a widow was in that city, and she was coming unto him, saying, Do me justice on my opponent, and he would not for a time, but after these things he said in himself, Even if God I do not fear, and man do not regard, yet because this widow doth give me trouble, I will do her justice, lest, perpetually coming, she may plague me.’ And the Lord said, ‘Hear ye what the unrighteous judge saith: and shall not God execute the justice to His choice ones, who are crying unto Him day and night — bearing long in regard to them? I say to you, that He will execute the justice to them quickly; but the Son of Man having come, shall he find the faith upon the earth?’ And he spake also unto certain who have been trusting in themselves that they were righteous, and have been despising the rest, this simile: ‘Two men went up to the temple to pray, the one a Pharisee, and the other a taxgatherer; the Pharisee having stood by himself, thus prayed: God, I thank Thee that I am not as the rest of men, rapacious, unrighteous, adulterers, or even as this tax-gatherer; I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all things — as many as I possess. ‘And the tax-gatherer, having stood afar off, would not even the eyes lift up to the heaven, but was smiting on his breast, saying, God be propitious to me — the sinner! I say to you, this one went down declared righteous, to his house, rather than that one: for every one who is exalting himself shall be humbled, and he who is humbling himself shall be exalted.’ And they were bringing near also the babes, that he may touch them, and the disciples having seen did rebuke them, and Jesus having called them near, said, ‘Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not, for of such is the reign of God; verily I say to you, Whoever may not receive the reign of God as a little child, may not enter into it.’”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭18‬:‭1‬-‭17‬ ‭YLT98‬‬
 
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“And he spake also a simile to them, that it behoveth [us] always to pray, and not to faint, saying, ‘A certain judge was in a certain city — God he is not fearing, and man he is not regarding — and a widow was in that city, and she was coming unto him, saying, Do me justice on my opponent, and he would not for a time, but after these things he said in himself, Even if God I do not fear, and man do not regard, yet because this widow doth give me trouble, I will do her justice, lest, perpetually coming, she may plague me.’ And the Lord said, ‘Hear ye what the unrighteous judge saith: and shall not God execute the justice to His choice ones, who are crying unto Him day and night — bearing long in regard to them? I say to you, that He will execute the justice to them quickly; but the Son of Man having come, shall he find the faith upon the earth?’ And he spake also unto certain who have been trusting in themselves that they were righteous, and have been despising the rest, this simile: ‘Two men went up to the temple to pray, the one a Pharisee, and the other a taxgatherer; the Pharisee having stood by himself, thus prayed: God, I thank Thee that I am not as the rest of men, rapacious, unrighteous, adulterers, or even as this tax-gatherer; I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all things — as many as I possess. ‘And the tax-gatherer, having stood afar off, would not even the eyes lift up to the heaven, but was smiting on his breast, saying, God be propitious to me — the sinner! I say to you, this one went down declared righteous, to his house, rather than that one: for every one who is exalting himself shall be humbled, and he who is humbling himself shall be exalted.’ And they were bringing near also the babes, that he may touch them, and the disciples having seen did rebuke them, and Jesus having called them near, said, ‘Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not, for of such is the reign of God; verily I say to you, Whoever may not receive the reign of God as a little child, may not enter into it.’”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭18‬:‭1‬-‭17‬ ‭YLT98‬‬
1Co_2:6 We do speak wisdom, however, among those who are mature—but not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.

1Co_14:20 Brothers and sisters, stop being children in your thinking—rather, be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature.

Eph_4:13 This will continue until we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of Ben-Elohim—to mature adulthood, to the measure of the stature of Messiah’s fullness.

Php_3:15 Therefore let all who are mature have this attitude; and if you have a different attitude in anything, this also God will reveal to you.

Heb_5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who through practice have their senses trained to discern both good and evil.

Thanks brother, the more I post Scriptures, the more it is internalized and committed to memory.
 
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How important and needed to be learned. Friend.
So true, as long as we are being Spirit taught-for years I have read and studied my Bible, it was falling apart, but I had no focus, no direction, but slowly, everything is coming together.
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Im straight forward with him now. He knows when i choose to not to act in faith by the spirit, and I known if i realize it.

No reason to sob. Just the realization of what is good and what is bad as far as ones own decsisons between themselves and God.
 

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I dont see anyone sharing their own committed sins; but to be honest in say hey i am a sinner.


There is nothing wrong with humbling oneself before God in that manner.


Cause last time i checked you are created to please people; but you were created in the image of God and now by faith can do the will of God.

If you so let God help you by praying and supplications.
 
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No reason to sob

Sounds like genuine heart felt repentance is no longer working in you:

“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened… to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” (Hebrews 6:4-6)
 
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