Entire Sanctification = "In Christ"

[MatthewG]

That is just a judgement.

Guilt and shame are very apparent.

Inconsiderant are we as humans on this message board, sometimes that includes myself.

But quoting something like that and directing it me; doesnt mean anything.

That is why there is no power in the bible.

The only power and authority over one is God; by the spirit.

@Michiah-Imla

 

[Michiah-Imla]

quoting something like that and directing it me; doesnt mean anything.

It does mean something.

It means I care about you.

 

[MatthewG]

oh. Do you really care about me?

I doubt it to be seriously true.

It doesnt matter if you do or not, either.



What i stated still stands.

 

[Johann]

CHRISTIANITY TODAY​

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That was low, even for you.

 

[Johann]

Sounds like genuine heart felt repentance is no longer working in you:

“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened… to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” (Hebrews 6:4-6)

You are very limited in Bible knowledge and the occasional reading of it-quoting THIS passage to another brother shows your ignorance and total lack of discernment.

6:4-6a "have once been. . .have tasted. . .have been made. . .have tasted. . .falling away" All of these participles are aorists, while Heb. 6:6b begins a series of present tense verbs. These are such strong statements. The meaning seems to be clear: they knew God on some level, but they rejected full faith in Christ. However, two contextual issues need to be examined: (1) the presence of three groups ("us" [vv. 1-3], "those" [vv. 4-8], "you" [vv. 9-12]) and (2) the Jewish nature of the doctrines in Heb. 6:1-2. These point toward a synagogue in which believing and unbelieving Jews worshiped and studied together. The unbelieving Jews have clearly seen the power, glory, and truth of the gospel in the Scriptures and in the testimony and changed lives of their believing friends.

There seem to be two warnings in Hebrews: (1) to the believing Jews to take their public stand with the persecuted church and not turn back to Judaism and (2) to the unbelieving Jews to embrace Christ. In many ways the first warning is unique to this book, but the second is very similar to the unpardonable sin of the Pharisees in the Gospels and the sin unto death of the false teachers in 1 John.

6:5 "the powers of the age to come" Another example of the lost involved in the power of the age to come is in Matt. 7:21-23. They had power without the necessary personal relationship. This same thing could be said of Judas Iscariot (in the Gospels), Simon Magnus (in Acts), and the false teachers (cf. 1 John 2:18-19).

1. two groups addressed (believing and non-believing Jews)

2. one group (believing Jews who have not matured and are now contemplating returning to Moses)

This is a similar heresy to the Judaizers in Galatians who were tempted to trust in OT rites (plus Christ). Paul asserts that they had fallen from grace (cf. Gal. 5:4).

Very, very limited in Scriptural knowledge and my guess is you are as much a sinner as everyone, but "hide" and feign yourself as "godly" when you are not, having a form of godliness-denying the power thereof.
Have a good day.

 

[Johann]

Sounds like genuine heart felt repentance is no longer working in you:

“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened… to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” (Hebrews 6:4-6)

Son 2:15 Catch for us the foxes, the little foxes that plunder the vineyards; for our vineyards are in blossom.

Catch the shu'alim (foxes), the shu'alim ketanim (little foxes), that spoil the kramim (vines); for krameinu (our [blooming] vines) have tender grapes.

 

[Marvelloustime]

And we aint born again IF one believes not on the CHRIST OF GOD .
Lets not follow the francis version of all inclusive . OH yeah i know what it teaches .
ITS A LIE FROM THE DRAGON TOO . Let us remember that well .
Cause i know what is sneaking into the hearts of men . ITS A LIE from the DEVIL .
and this lamb wont be following its lie either .
So repeat after me , muslims are lost in sin just as is any other who believes not THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
The one sin that will surely condemn them . They all believe in the one sin that will CONDMEN THEM TO THE LAKE OF FIRE .
UNBELIEF in HE WHOM GOD DID SEND . And the muslims preach ANOTHER jesus that cannot save them
EITHER we preach the gospel or its all vain we do preach . And the all inclusive social gospel is leading folks
to the lie of a strong delusion . WHich though the delusion has united them as one , ITS UNDER THE DRAGON my friend
and the dragon cannot save his flock . they are condemned as HE is condemned .
WE BESS BE PREACHING LIKE THE TRUE APOSTELS DID , is all I CAN SAY

 

[MatthewG]

“And it came to pass, on the second-first sabbath, as he is going through the corn fields, that his disciples were plucking the ears, and were eating, rubbing with the hands, and certain of the Pharisees said to them, ‘Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbaths?’ And Jesus answering said unto them, ‘Did ye not read even this that David did, when he hungered, himself and those who are with him, how he went into the house of God, and the loaves of the presentation did take, and did eat, and gave also to those with him, which it is not lawful to eat, except only to the priests?’ and he said to them, — ‘The Son of Man is Lord also of the sabbath.’ And it came to pass also, on another sabbath, that he goeth into the synagogue, and teacheth, and there was there a man, and his right hand was withered, and the scribes and the Pharisees were watching him, if on the sabbath he will heal, that they might find an accusation against him. And he himself had known their reasonings, and said to the man having the withered hand, ‘Rise, and stand in the midst;’ and he having risen, stood. Then said Jesus unto them, ‘I will question you something: Is it lawful on the sabbaths to do good, or to do evil? life to save or to kill?’ And having looked round on them all, he said to the man, ‘Stretch forth thy hand;’ and he did so, and his hand was restored whole as the other; and they were filled with madness, and were speaking with one another what they might do to Jesus.”
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Luke 6:1-11 And it came to pass, on the second-first sabbath, as he is going through the corn fields, that his disciples were plucking the ears, and were eating, rubbing with the hands, and certain of the Pharise | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (Y

And it came to pass, on the second-first sabbath, as he is going through the corn fields, that his disciples were plucking the ears, and were eating, rubbing with the hands, and certain of the Pharise

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[Johann]

I dont see anyone sharing their own committed sins; but to be honest in say hey i am a sinner.

There are some who do admit they occasionally are falling short, in word, thought and deed brother-including myself, read Romans 6.
Johann.

 

[Ritajanice]

We all sin daily, but we aren’t in sin, we are in Christ.....our sins has been forgiven by God, we have been given a new heart as soon as we were birthed in the Spirit.

We are forever being made into the image of Jesus, how, by being birthed in the Spirit, we are a new creation in Christ....we have the new man in us...but trust me, that old man will war with the Spirit..it’s our flesh nature that wars with the Spirit/ the old man.......it gets easier over time as we grow and mature in Christ.

Just my thoughts and belief.

2 Corinthians 5:17 — English Standard Version (ESV)​

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

2 Corinthians 5:17 — King James Version (KJV 1900)​

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

2 Corinthians 5:17 — New Living Translation (NLT)​

17 This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun!




As soon as we are birthed, our new life begins, the Holy Spirit then starts his work in us....he will also complete that work he started in us.....making us into the image of his Son...

◄ Ephesians 4:24 ►

Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. New Living Translation Put on your new nature, created to be like God—truly righteous and holy. English Standard Version and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness. Berean Standard Bible and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

 

[Behold]

Can you translate the Greek into English?

You mean the "koine Greek" into english.

That question is implying that the Greek, is superior to the Bible.
That's a false analysis.

Here is what you can Know.
God's Foreknowledge, plans ahead, and God foreknew that in the end times, ... ENGLISH would be the Universal Worldwide Language Currency, and "koine greek" would be an isolated, basically forgotten language, tho you can find it in Italy.

So, we have English Bibles because that is God's design....that's His plan.

People who play around with Greek Texts, are almost always trying to correct the Bible, and that is worst sort of religious nut., Randy.

 

[Behold]

Okay, I stand corrected. You "boast" having more threads than anybody ever will. Satisfied?

Its not a boast, its a fact that is bugging you.
And that is why you keep bringing it up.
Listen, dont be bugged, be better., Randy

 

[Behold]

I really don't care about what talents God gave you, or the opportunities He's given you to use them. If you do all this without "love," you're just a "sounding gong."

Thanks for reading, and thank you for your opinion.

 

[Behold]

We can disagree agreeably on many things. We can't disagree on cardinal doctrines, but neither can we disagree on what "Christian love" is.

I dont think you have it.
I think you need attention, and want to be perceived as some type of teacher.
And that's not happening, so, you want to rant and misbehave now.
Nothing new.

Also, Feel free to disagree, but do it with kindness and "love".... so that you dont prove me right, again, Randy.

 

[MatthewG]

You mean the "koine Greek" into english.

That question is implying that the Greek, is superior to the Bible.
That's a false analysis.

Here is what you can Know.
God's Foreknowledge, plans ahead, and God foreknew that in the end times, ... ENGLISH would be the Universal Worldwide Language Currency, and "koine greek" would be an isolated, basically forgotten language, tho you can find it in Italy.

So, we have English Bibles because that is God's design....that's His plan.

People who play around with Greek Texts, are almost always trying to correct the Bible, and that is worst sort of religious nut., Randy.

That is not true…

No perfect english bible exist. And all english copies were copied off copies of preexiting text.


Its amazing anyone choose to have faith in God. The bible is highly suspect;


I think it a trust worthy source of information and to even deep to langague before it is good.


Everyone should be encouraged to study out those things not just be struck down cause that is something they decided to do; and one



Say no “english understanding only”

Eastern and western thinking are different.

 

[Behold]

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Otherwise God is still renewing our minds, which will still result in bringing us to victory over those things that trouble us.

Paul said that the "renewing' of the mind in a believer is the responsibility of the Believer.

We have to do it.
It our mind, and its our obligation to renew it.

When a believers mind is not renewed, they will have sin consciousness, they will worrk about losing salvation, they will not understand the bible, they will try to be good and fail a lot, and they will find they get tired of Christianity, eventually.
This is all because they are trying to "do Christianity" in the mind of the flesh.

If this is never changed, then their faith is never grown, their spirituality remains in the "diaper stage", and they will find themselves the victim of "doctrines of devils".

So, the believer has to go to this verse, and stay there for life, doing what it says.

Hebrews 13:9

 

[MatthewG]

[Infographic]: Types of Bible Translations

There are three main types of Bible translations: word-for-word, thought-for-thought and paraphrase. Which one do you choose to study God's Word and learn His way?

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The United Church of God uses the New King James Version as its standard English-language translation. We recommend this as a good all-around translation for everyday use. Thought-for-thought translations can be good secondary sources for simply reading God's Word or for rounding out an understanding of Scripture. The truth is, all Bible translations contain some human error, so it's best to use several versions in study.

1. Word - For - Word​

Interlinear
NASB - New American Standard Bible
AMP - Amplified Bible
ESV - English Standard Version
RSV - Revised Standard Version
KJV - King James Version
NKJV - New King James Version

2. Thought - For - Thought​

HCSB - Holman Christian Standard Bible
NRSV - New Revised Standard Version
NAB - New American Bible
NJB - New Jerusalem Bible
NIV - New International Version
TNIV - Today's New International Version
NCV - New Century Version
NLT - New Living Translation

3. Paraphrase​

NIrV - New International Reader's Version
GNT - Good News Translation (also Good News Bible)
CEV - Contemporary English Version
TLB - The Living Bible
MSG - The Message

The examples of Bible translations is not meant to be all inclusive, but rather a listing of some of the more popular.

 

[Ritajanice]

Paul said that the "renewing' of the mind in a believer is the responsibility of the Believer.

Amen!...that also took time to understand that one.

The Bible tells us that we are to renew our minds in Christ (Romans 12:2)

 

[Behold]

No perfect english bible exist. And all english copies were copied off copies of preexiting text.

Well, its like this, MatthewG.

There are about 30 completed (extant) Greek New Testaments. ,and there is the Latin Text.
Other "stuff", also.
The "church scholarship" decided that about 3-4 of the Greek Texts are not corrupted and can be used to make a "bible".

So, as you have no actual belief that the bible's words are holy, and spiritual, and alive, then of course to you the Bible is just a book.

The Devil knows that the bible is more then just a book. so He's got you there... and that is why He has tried for a very long time to create as many "bad bibles" as he can, as this causes confusion and that is the work of the devil, among others.

But i can promise you that the Holy Bible is more than just a book.
It is in fact, Living Light for Life.

 

[MatthewG]

Well, its like this, MatthewG.

There are about 30 completed (extant) Greek New Testaments. ,and there is the Latin Text.
Other "stuff", also.
The "church scholarship" decided that about 3-4 of the Greek Texts are not corrupted and can be used to make a "bible".

So, as you have no actual belief that the bible's words are holy, and spiritual, and alive, then of course to you the Bible is just a book.

Who are you to say this to me? As i have expressed numerous times I find the bible useful, and reliable. Just not word perfect. I believe the Gospel of Christ is the power of God to salvation; so those who do read and come to the truth have deliverance in truth.

It is simply just a book. Not to be worshipped a material item that is looked at referenced; but what is primary after reading and learning and growing your knowledge of God and Yeshua?

Living primarily by the spirit.

The Devil knows that the bible is more then just a book. so He's got you there... and that is why He has tried for a very long time to create as many "bad bibles" as he can, as this causes confusion and that is the work of the devil, among others.

Why do you insinute crap like this to me? Its very deragorty and along the lines of chiding, or goating

But i can promise you that the Holy Bible is more than just a book.
It is in fact, Living Light for Life.

And you say i dont find the book informationial, the only life i can find in there is Jesus who said he the way, the truth and the life.


But the gospel doesnt really stop there about jesus life only.

The bible is just simply a book. That deals with God and mankind, and spiritual princplies.