Entire Sanctification = "In Christ"

[marks]

@Johann

I've listened now to Bob's sermon on Romans 6:1-14 3 times now. I don't find anything I disagree with with.

I really like where he says that Yes, we should preach the assurance of salvation, and then turn right around an preach just as we have the potential to be saved in Christ, we likewise have the potential to be Christlike in our life. And just because we are assured of our salvation that doesn't give us the right to abrogate that we are to be Christlike. I'm sure I didn't say this exactly the way he did, but I like hearing this fellow! He challenges me.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

I think his use of the word was just a trigger to me, the real red flag is "Hegelian Dialectic". That's the one that seeks to change truth to a lie.

Much love!

I hope we are all remembering to pray for each other.

Much love!

Much, much needed-
9 Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.

10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.

11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?

12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.
Colossians 1:9 - For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

So let us pray, together with all the saints, for each other and to our Abba to be filled with the knowledge of His will, for wisdom and spiritual understanding, for divine protection against anyone and anything that will cause us veer off this narrow Dereck-Highway of Holiness-and by the sweet mercies of our God, that we, together with all the saints, in unison, will keep on yielding our bodies as living sacrifices, holy and prayerfully, acceptable unto our Father-a sweet smelling aroma.

Shalom, brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. Praise our Lord for FAMILY!

 

[Johann]

I actually dont misrepresent you, or anyone.
I post what you wrote, and then i respond to it.

Now, when i wrote my post that stated that the NIV, denies that there is a difference between God's Holy Spirit, and all others........
The NIV says..>"GOD is Spirit".

You then ran in here with this..
I'll quote you.

You said..

More precisely, “God is Spirit”

So, you stated the NIV verse....... and now you have posted again... and changed that to.... "God is A Spirit"........You corrected your own post, while also saying that i misrepresent you.

But i didnt.
I posted what you wrote, that you have now changed while accusing me falsely, again.

Boy! What is wrong with you?!

 

[MatthewG]

Oh ok

 

[marks]

Is that Spirit the same that is in the DEVIL?

Are you in your right mind?
What are you trying to teach now, Johann.


Paul said....>"if you have not the Spirit, then you are not born again, a Christian".

Paul teaches that "Jesus IS THAT SPIRIT"..


Is that the same one that is in a DOG or in SATAN?


So, you are just the most confused believer.

Maybe reread . . . I'm not getting from his post what you seem to be. Saying that the text states, "God is Spirit" doesn't mean that God is every spirit, or every spirit is God, does it?

I don't think Johann is confusing the soul of a dog - not spirit, soul - with the Holy Spirit.

I've met some very confused people before, do you really think Johann is more confused than them all?

These are rhetorical questions, I only want to share these thoughts. We do well to moderate ourselves, do you agree?

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Boy! What is wrong with you?!

You said that the Spirit is "light".
You posted that "God is spirit"

Then you came again and posted "God is A Spirit"., as if you didn't post "God is Spirit" originally.

And now you just avoided it all.

So, i dont find you to be honest today.
Tomorrow is a new day.
So....We get to keep going, if we keep breathing.
Hebrews 9:27

I did watch some of your Baptist's video.
Abou the 20 minute mark He stated that "i believe in Sinless Perfection".


So, much of what He was saying wasn't wrong, but he never told you how to do it.
He just kept saying that you have to power in Christ to do it.
He is typical of the type that defines the problem, and says "oh yes, there is a solution", but he never gives it.

He tells you that progressive sanctification is real.
He tells you that Eternal security is true.
He tells you that the "old man of sin is dead".

But he never told you how to access what you have to have, to LIVE in that place.

I do tell you.
My Threads, are exactly what He didn't explain.


Ok then.

 

[Johann]

I really like where he says that Yes, we should preach the assurance of salvation, and then turn right around an preach just as we have the potential to be saved in Christ, we likewise have the potential to be Christlike in our life. And just because we are assured of our salvation that doesn't give us the right to abrogate that we are to be Christlike. I'm sure I didn't say this exactly the way he did, but I like hearing this fellow! He challenges me.

Same here, I'm sitting with piles of notes, a feast, stunned, and groan in my inner man, as I don't know what or how to pray. 11:25 PM.
Shalom
Johann.

 

[Behold]

Maybe reread . . . I'm not getting from his post what you seem to be. Saying that the text states, "God is Spirit"

Here is what you missed.

Johann's post to me, was based on and regarding my Post to Randy Kluth.
Randy had posted that the NIV is the Gold Standard.
So, i carefully posted to RANDY, all about

"God is A Spirit" vs... the NIV's "God is Spirit".

I showed Randy, all the info........That The Devil is the Un-Holy Spirit, that Dogs have a Spirit.
So, when the verse says..>......only...."God is Spirit", but not "A Spirit"....then this bible is not careful to make the distinction between God's Spirit and all others.... LIke the Devils.

So, this is GROSS Error........ To not make the Distinction between God being A Spirit.....Specifically the Holy Spirit, vs.... ALL other Spirits., including the UN-Holy Spirit.

This is why the Bible, a real one has to say....."God is A Spirit"....."A"...... not just '"God is Spirit".

So, Johann, came seconds later and posted.

"God is spirit".

So, that is what you missed.
I didnt.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

And there did come also false prophets among the people, as also among you there shall be false teachers

Not these.

THESE:

“But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.” (2 Peter 2:10)

“Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin…” (2 Peter 2:14)

As for your comment about “the way of Balaam” —- these are those who continue to disobey God’s word!

Like when you disobey Jesus:

“…go, and sin no more.” (John 8:11)

 

[marks]

Here is what you missed.

Johann's post to me, was based on and regarding my Post to Randy Kluth.
Randy had posted that the NIV is the Gold Standard.
So, i carefully posted to RANDY, all about

"God is A Spirit" vs... the NIV's "God is Spirit".

No, I didn't miss this. I think you missed what Johann was saying.

This particular back and forth is based on misunderstanding, and should end.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

So, much of what He was saying wasn't wrong, but he never told you how to do it.
He just kept saying that you have to power in Christ to do it.
He is typical of the type that defines the problem, and says "oh yes, there is a solution", but he never gives it.

He tells you that progressive sanctification is real.
He tells you that Eternal security is true.
He tells you that the "old man of sin is dead".

Thanks for listening to uncle Bob brother, actually, there are a series, where he do give the solution @Behold, now you are surprising ME. If you have time, keep on listening-the "how to do it" is there, some in two-three parts-and thank you for concurring-he defines the problem, and gives the solution-if you listen to part 2, or 3, sometimes 4.

Shalom
J.

 

[marks]

So, this is GROSS Error........ To not make the Distinction between God being A Spirit.....Specifically the Holy Spirit, and ALL other Spirits., including the UN-Holy Spirit.

That's faulty reasoning. The Bible in fact does say "God is Spirit", as Johann demonstrated, and this doesn't automatically mean that all spirits are God, or that God is every spirit.

I understand you issue with the NIV - I agree, it's one of the worst - but I still think you are misunderstanding what he was posting, and that this does not edify.

And perhaps as I've been having a lot of conversation with Johann, maybe I have an easier time seeing what he is expressing. Regardless, you would do well to accept what I'm saying here.

Alright, I'm not going to be the one to drag this out longer, I've had my say.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

I've met some very confused people before, do you really think Johann is more confused than them all?

Here is what i posted to Johann.

"""""So, you are just the most confused believer.
I had no idea., you were so."""""

That is not saying that he's the most confused of all., as he's definitely not.
Its like saying...>I had no idea you were that sick...

Its a general idea...

However, Theology has to be perfectly right, or its perfectly wrong.
Its TRUTH.

The devil says...>"o come on......hath God said.......After all, you have your opinion, and i have mine"....."what is Truth"....>"in the long run, its all just a guess".

If i was to choose the most confused......i'd say, Episkops or the 2 Roberts.
But, are they born again?
Its so hard to even try to analyze their doctrine to find some hint of The Cross or Redemption.
Episkopos's Theology, is all works and self elevation into the deity aspect.... . and the other 2......i have no idea......just crazy cult stuff.


When Johann came to me a few days ago, he said he was confused, and then as soon as i tried to show him the difference between Salvation, and Discipleship, .. he became the Teacher of cut and paste.
He has since then, tried to take my Threads and prove that im teaching that we dont have to do anything for God.
He is deep into "progressive sanctification" as Lifestyle, and that is another THREAD........not this one, Johann, or the other that is talking about "made Righteous' or similar.
He is certain that im teaching against the walk of becoming as a LIFESTYLE, .. more like Christ...., because He hasn't realized that im only teaching on what it means to have Righteousness, imputed.

And its that commentary or online site stuff that owns him... Its that Teacher. As that teacher that he posts as long cut and past....who is somewhat into Grace and somewhat into legalism, and that is the worst case, as that stuff "sounds true", and Johann is so into his teaching, that its all he has to believe, at this point in time.

 

[MatthewG]

Not these.

THESE:

“But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.” (2 Peter 2:10)

“Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin…” (2 Peter 2:14)

As for your comment about “the way of Balaam” —- these are those who continue to disobey God’s word!

Like when you disobey Jesus:

“…go, and sin no more.” (John 8:11)

Its a letter.

 

[Behold]

That's faulty reasoning. The Bible in fact does say "God is Spirit",

Much love!

And ill tell you, that your reasoning is beyond "faulty" if you can't see what is so obvious.
I'll let you believe that if a bible does not make the clear distinction between The Spirit of God, and all other spirits, then that bible has provided a terrible error that is in fact an attack on the Spirit of God.

How can you not care that a "bible" does not draw a clear distinction between the Holy Spirit and the Un-Holy Spirit, or the spirit in a Dog.?

As you just told me, that "the bible does say God is Spirit'.

Well, mine doesn't say that, Marks, and God is The Holy Spirit, and His HOLY Spirit, is not just "Spirit".

 

[Johann]

Here is what i posted to Johann.

"""""So, you are just the most confused believer.
I had no idea., you were so."""""

That is not saying that he's the most confused of all., as he's definitely not.
Its like saying...>I had no idea you were that sick...

Its a general idea...

However, Theology has to be perfectly right, or its perfectly wrong.
Its TRUTH.

The devil says...>"o come on......hath God said.......After all, you have your opinion, and i have mine"....."what is Truth"....>"in the long run, its all just a guess".

If i was to choose the most confused......i'd say, Episkops or the 2 Roberts.
But, are they born again?
Its so hard to even try to analyze their doctrine to find some hint of The Cross or Redemption.
Episkopos's Theology, is all works and self elevation into the deity aspect.... . and the other 2......i have no idea......just crazy cult stuff.


When Johann came to me a few days ago, he said he was confused, and then as soon as i tried to show him the difference between Salvation, and Discipleship, .. he became the Teacher of cut and paste.
He has since then, tried to take my Threads and prove that im teaching that we dont have to do anything for God.
He is deep into "progressive sanctification" as Lifestyle, and that is another THREAD........not this one, Johann, or the other that is talking about "made Righteous' or similar.
He is certain that im teaching against the walk of becoming as a LIFESTYLE, .. more like Christ...., because He hasn't realized that im only teaching on what it means to have Righteousness, imputed.

And its that commentary or online site stuff that own him... Its that Teacher. As that teacher that he posts as long cut and past....who is somewhat into Grace and somewhat into legalism, and that is the worst case, as that stuff "sounds true", and Johann is so into his teaching, that its all he has to believe, at this point in time.

Peace brother-I have discernment, since I was very, very young, a lad, knowing error from truth.
But there are things you don't know about me brother, and like you, I am a fellow traveler.
And correct, he is my pastor, soaking in the exalted Christ, His Cross, death and resurrection and sitting under anointed teaching, while in the background I have praise and worship music-from morning to morning.
You have a good day.
J.

 

[Johann]

Here is what i posted to Johann.

"""""So, you are just the most confused believer.
I had no idea., you were so."""""

That is not saying that he's the most confused of all., as he's definitely not.
Its like saying...>I had no idea you were that sick...

Its a general idea...

However, Theology has to be perfectly right, or its perfectly wrong.
Its TRUTH.

The devil says...>"o come on......hath God said.......After all, you have your opinion, and i have mine"....."what is Truth"....>"in the long run, its all just a guess".

If i was to choose the most confused......i'd say, Episkops or the 2 Roberts.
But, are they born again?
Its so hard to even try to analyze their doctrine to find some hint of The Cross or Redemption.
Episkopos's Theology, is all works and self elevation into the deity aspect.... . and the other 2......i have no idea......just crazy cult stuff.


When Johann came to me a few days ago, he said he was confused, and then as soon as i tried to show him the difference between Salvation, and Discipleship, .. he became the Teacher of cut and paste.
He has since then, tried to take my Threads and prove that im teaching that we dont have to do anything for God.
He is deep into "progressive sanctification" as Lifestyle, and that is another THREAD........not this one, Johann, or the other that is talking about "made Righteous' or similar.
He is certain that im teaching against the walk of becoming as a LIFESTYLE, .. more like Christ...., because He hasn't realized that im only teaching on what it means to have Righteousness, imputed.

And its that commentary or online site stuff that owns him... Its that Teacher. As that teacher that he posts as long cut and past....who is somewhat into Grace and somewhat into legalism, and that is the worst case, as that stuff "sounds true", and Johann is so into his teaching, that its all he has to believe, at this point in time.

Like @marks said, we don't want to drag this out, but here you are misrepresenting me again, brother-and you have listened to Utley, not to be edified, but to critique-show me where Utley is into legalism @Behold-prove him wrong in his teachings-after all, he is fallible, like you and me-but prove him wrong and show it to me.
My eternal destination is ever before me and I need a Pastor, and our Lord graciously granted my request.
What you don't know about me is that I am familiar with Greek and Hebrew, no boasting, I have a gift for languages.
Matter of fact, prove him wrong in any of my posts-if you can.

If you refuse to be edified in these last days, I need it, and not ashamed to be corrected if and when I am in error-and I am sure others need to hear and be edified, as you will find the cross, Christ crucified, Him resurrected in most of my posts in these past 2 years, so you can't say I don't promulgate the wondrous doctrine of our blessed Lord and great God, Christ Jesus.

I now have a sense of "belonging @Behold -part of the family in union with Christ Jesus-you can't take that away from me brother-I have shown you respect, and will continue to show you respect. And now I have a Baptist minister in hermeneutics right here on my computer, no need to stay online-why not rejoicing with me, who once was lost, in a maize, confused?
All good?
Johann.
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So I would think he knows what he's talking about, yes?

 

[amigo de christo]

Where is the Moses LAW that can give you Righteousness"?
There are 613 of them.

Pick a few.

So, Are you made Righteousness by keeping the Law, or does the Law define you as a sinner?

So, God isn't confused about the "power of sin is the Law ".

Christ is not confused About ...>"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW".
Because.......Christ has "redeemed the born again, from the Curse of the Law".

The reason the law is a CURSE, is because it defines you, as a SINNER.
That is a CURSE.
The reason people confess sin, is because the Commandments and the l;aw, told you that you just SINNED.

The Cross of Christ redefines you, as a BORN AGAIN....= New Creation.

The Law is Made for Sinners, not for Saints.

Salvation, is VICTORY over the "law of sin and death"., which is = "the power of sin, is the Law".


The 10 Commandments are a behavioral boundary. We stay in the lines, we dont step outside them.
But that does not save us.

Christ's commandments are the heart of our discipleship, and our worship, and our "presenting our body a living sacrifice"< but none of this saves you.

Because :

= Only JESUS Saves.

Never said one can be made righteous by the law . Just a friendly reminder .
I spoke all about whats going on in many places . NO proof of any born again conversion . Lotta lip service
but hearts are from FROM HIM .

 

[Randy Kluth]

The NIV is one of the worst translation ever created.

So many "watered down" verses.. So much doctrinal deadening.
Verses taken out, omitted, important words omitted, related to Doctrine.

I'll give you 2.

First of all, The Deity of Christ, .... Now, lets say you are not a Christian.... And you find a NIV.
You read

"He was manifested in the Flesh".

So, who is that? Who is "he"? "He" is GOD, but the NIV, says "HE"....so that is taking a verse and muddying it, that is a very strong "Deity of Christ" Scripture., as "God was manifested in the Flesh". But in the NIV, "its a HE".

Here is another..

Let me explain..

You have a Spirit.
A Dog has a spirit.
The Devil has a Spirit.

Are all the same? Are all of these the Same?
They are not.

Now , The NIV.... says that "GOD is Spirit". IN John 4:24.

So, why is that a GROSS Error?

Its because, "God is A Spirit".......not just "spirit". See, God is : The HOLY SPIRIT..... and so the NIV makes no distinction between God's Spirit...... and the Spirit in the Devil or the Spirit in a Dog, or the Spirit in a unbeliever.

See that ?

"God is A Spirit".......Not...>"God is Spirit" as you find in the NIV....... as if God is Spirit, only, then He is no different than the un-holy Spirit, that is in the Devil

The NIV, makes no Distinction.
The NIV has so much error in it......its a really really bad Translation., and it will corrupt your faith.
That's a fact.

Can you translate the Greek into English?

 

[Randy Kluth]

You lied again, Randy.

I said i post more THREADS, on this Forum, than anyone else ever will.

THREADS.

THREADS.

THREADS take work........ they take EFFORT to PRODUCE........... And that is what i was trying to get Johann to realize.

Okay, I stand corrected. You "boast" having more threads than anybody ever will. Satisfied?

Here is the "boasting" you did in post #44, which is more evidence for Rita of your rudeness and condescension:

"I do more "works" on this Forum, then any other member who has ever been here, or will ever show up..
So, by your standard of "fruit", im long ago proven on this Forum, and not just this one , Randy.
And this is just my off time.
I have a life, and a ministry....ALSO.
Now, get real, little one., and get off the Denominationalism.
So, you are just talking, but you are not seeing what you need to know."

So apparently you do more "works," as well as more "threads," on this Forum than anybody else? How incredibly un-Christian in tone! I'm not out to do harm to your output. I'd just like to see you clean it up. If you love God the Father, you will also love and respect His children.