Why Is Western Christianity So Soft?

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Phoneman777

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Why?
Because God commanded it, that's why.
I like your tag line from Horowitz, which absolutely sums it all up: Satan is the old school, OG control freak, and godless progressives who are helplessly ensnared by him are bitterly afflicted with that same disease of control freakism - they want to compel everyone that doesn't bow down to their ideology to submit or else.

Did you ever see that Islamic girl tell him she supports Hezbollah's wish that Jews gather in Israel so that they don't have to hunt them down globally?
 
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You're claiming that Satan runs education (including Christian education?), politics (all politics?, huge corporations (but not small ones? LOL!), entertainment (including Christian entertainment?), and whatever is sent over the air waves? Seriously?
There is no question that in general Christendom has become either apostate or full of false teachings and practices. And yes, politics, economics, corporations, and entertainment are all being controlled and manipulated by Satan.

'An acolyte of Satan has delivered the "invocation" at the beginning of a city-council meeting in San Marcos, Texas, demanding freedom from "arcane doctrines" and proclaiming "Hail Satan."... He urged people to "stand now unfettered by arcane doctrines" and told them to "embrace Luciferian impulse" and eat "of the tree of knowledge."'

His influence has also affected Christian churches and Christian education. All you have to do is closely examine what is going on right now.
 

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I like your tag line from Horowitz, which absolutely sums it all up: Satan is the old school, OG control freak, and godless progressives who are helplessly ensnared by him are bitterly afflicted with that same disease of control freakism - they want to compel everyone that doesn't bow down to their ideology to submit or else.

Did you ever see that Islamic girl tell him she supports Hezbollah's wish that Jews gather in Israel so that they don't have to hunt them down globally?
No, I didn't see that.

The problem as I see it with the perceived soft factor is that we fail to realize it is inconsistent with God-Jesus of the OT. Who was far from soft on his enemies.

However, when Roman councils invent a passive fixture of obedience it makes it far easier to overcome the believers mind and life.

There is a reason we are referred to as sheep in the NT.
Because wolf spirits would rip the throat out of a Hezbollah terrorist. Take the heads in equal measure of Muslim terrorists, and have already blown the temple mount dome dedicated to a
meteorite named Allah right back into his lap.

If someone struck us in our cheek as an offensive gesture, we'd break their jaw in response.
We are told to avoid evil and be saved from our sin. Therein it is incongruent that we would be told not to resist an evil person.

If someone takes our purse, it only makes sense they, like the one who strikes us in our face, think we enjoy abuse when we hand them out cloak also.

Christianity is soft because it made conquest and dominion over Christians and their lands easier to achieve if the Christians thought passivity was their ticket to Heaven


We were fools then. We shall be now if we don't wake up
 

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1 John 2:9-11, "Whoever says, “I am in the light,” while hating a brother or sister, is still in the darkness. Whoever loves a brother or sister abides in the light, and in such a person there is no cause for stumbling. But whoever hates a brother or sister is in the darkness, walks in the darkness, and does not know the way to go, because the darkness has brought on blindness."

This applies to @Rita @Nancy @amigo de christo and everyone else who constantly judges others, including other Christians.
Oh, and I suppose you don’t!! Haha…

I read ‘somewhere ‘ about a mote in an eye and a beam in another …

Selah …
 
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There is no question that in general Christendom has become either apostate or full of false teachings and practices.
Just about every dude here views everyone else as the anti-Christ for having a slightly different theological view.
 

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Despite the false claims of leftist Fake News, Christianity is the single most persecuted group in the world - not women, not gays, not transgenders, blacks or browns...Christians. While there are good people doing a good job raising awareness of the plight of our global Christian family - such as Voice of the Martyrs, Open Doors, ACLJ - sadly, most Christians don't know what's going on a mere few feet beyond their own church parking lot. If we did, maybe we'd be far less easily offended, easily discouraged, and less likely to give up on God when the going gets tough as often is the case.

In far away lands, Christian women are raped and jailed, their children taken into custody, Christian men and pastors are imprisoned, tortured, killed, churches are targeted and firebombed, governments of pagan countries hostile toward Christianity offer little to no protection, and even far worse atrocities are widespread across the Christian world...but here in the West it's another story.

Here, we enjoy religious freedom. We enjoy the 1st Amendment which forbids state sponsored religion. We enjoy Section 8 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which guarantees workplace religious freedom. We enjoy 501(c)3 tax exempt status which allows billions to be put to use for the cause of God, but much of which is sadly pocketed by unscrupulous "preachers". Yet, in all this, many Christians live under the apprehension that their world will end at any moment. Their boyfriend will break up with them, their church may not re-elect them to that coveted position of leadership, they may be seen as kooky by their secular friends if they join a church, they may even face "difficulties" at home from an unbelieving spouse if they decide to follow Jesus, which often don't go beyond mild annoyance by their significant other. Western Christianity seems to be the weakest spiritually than anywhere else. As that comprehensive Willow Creek church study proved, the more money we throw at this ministry or that ministry, the lesser the positive outcome. Christian divorce is on the rise, children abandon their faith in college for atheistic evolution due to their indiferent "Christian" parents having failed to teach them the difference between Biblically accurate science and the false science of the atheistic scientific community, church attendance wanes, immorality/alcohol/drug/porn addiction is on the rise among believers - the wretchedness of Western Christianity seems to only grow worse and worse.

I think we need to go back to the beginning. We need to get back to our "first love" and "remember from whence thou hast fallen". We need to develop a thankful heart for what we have instead of resenting God for what we think we've be unjustly denied. What we need is a generous dose of persecution:

"The apostle Paul declares that 'all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.' Why is it, then, that persecution seems in a great degree to slumber? The only reason is that the church has conformed to the world's standard and therefore awakens no opposition....It is only because of the spirit of compromise with sin, because the great truths of the Word of God are so indifferently regarded, because there is so little vital godliness in the church, that Christianity is apparently so popular with the world. Let there be a revival of faith and power of the early church, and the spirit of persecution will be revived, and the fires of persecution will be rekindled." The Great Controversy, 48.
This Thread title really started to bug me.

The West is soft, in regards to what? Who said "divide up the faith (into East and West)"?

As far as I can tell, the word remains the Word.

Have you prayed that you escape what is to come and stand before the Son of Man? Or are you hoping someone else will pray it for you?
 
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1 John 2:9-11, "Whoever says, “I am in the light,” while hating a brother or sister, is still in the darkness. Whoever loves a brother or sister abides in the light, and in such a person there is no cause for stumbling. But whoever hates a brother or sister is in the darkness, walks in the darkness, and does not know the way to go, because the darkness has brought on blindness."

This applies to @Rita @Nancy @amigo de christo and everyone else who constantly judges others, including other Christians.
That applies to @Jim B. And me too. I judge others because we are suppose to, using righteousness as our guide.

This does not mean we hate people.
 

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Just about every dude here views everyone else as the anti-Christ for having a slightly different theological view.
This is what john said . He who BELIEVES not that JESUS is The CHRIST , He is anti Christ .
So warning out against a false unifying religion that has clearly stated other religions have no need to Believe on HIM
IS of ANTI CHRIST . And it will be warned against . The muslims DO NOT worship the same GOD we do
nor does any other religion . They do not BELIEVE JESUS is THE CHRIST . at most they only preach another jesus .
This huge universal religion of ecuminicalism has swept across many churches . And its a lie too .
A lie that must be exposed . The true gospel that reminds all to BELIEVE in HE whom GOD did send
must RETURN CENTER STAGE . This other idea that all religoins are serving GOD in their own way
IS a LIE . For all other religoins DO NOT recognize JESUS as the CHRIST . THEY do not hear the TESTIMONY
of GOD which HE gave of HIS SON . Thus they have neither GOD the Father or the SON . And its high time
we expose their lie and high time we point to CHRIST ALONE .
 

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I guess you need to differentiate between those who believe in Jesus Christ but have different interpretations of theology ( calling them anti Christ or not Christians crosses a line ) compared to those who do not believe in Jesus Christ.
What many here do is judge someone as being a non Christian because they interpret theology differently to them.
There can be unity ‘ in Christ ‘ x
 

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Just about every dude here views everyone else as the anti-Christ for having a slightly different theological view.
This comment shows that you have no idea about what is going on right now, nor the difference between sound doctrine and false doctrine.
 

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I guess you need to differentiate between those who believe in Jesus Christ but have different interpretations of theology ( calling them anti Christ or not Christians crosses a line ) compared to those who do not believe in Jesus Christ.
What many here do is judge someone as being a non Christian because they interpret theology differently to them.
There can be unity ‘ in Christ ‘ x

You beat me to it. They're legalists that are egotistical and proud and lack any love or compassion for others. They're worse than unbelievers.
 

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Yes, and only you understand it completely and perfectly

What don’t you “understand perfectly”?

“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes; cease to do evil; learn to do good; seek judgment, reprove the oppressor. Judge the orphan, plead for the widow.” (Isaiah 1:16-17)

Are verses like these hard to understand “perfectly”?

Because these are the things that matter above all in scripture. These are the things that produce a good relationship with God.

“Jesus said…You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” (Matthew 22:37-40)

You only need to UNDERSTAND.

There’s no such thing as “perfect understanding”.
 

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The arrogance around here is off the charts.
No, the trolling sock accounts are off the charts.
When you "all" post the same attack rhetoric you fail to appear as different people opposed to Christian teachings and the Gospel. Rather, you appear as someone who needs prayer because they have no other life than that of servant to the opposer.
 
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I guess you need to differentiate between those who believe in Jesus Christ but have different interpretations of theology ( calling them anti Christ or not Christians crosses a line ) compared to those who do not believe in Jesus Christ.
What many here do is judge someone as being a non Christian because they interpret theology differently to them.
There can be unity ‘ in Christ ‘ x
But there can be no UNITY with those who believe and preach that it is not necessary to believe on Christ .
Guess what , more and more churches believe that . They believe a fat lie . A lie of anti christ and i am gonna expose it
no matter who hates me for doing so . THIS LIE that muslims and other religoins are serving the same GOD we do ,
IS A LIE and its THE LIE of the STRONG DELUSION that will unite them all under THE LIE , THE LIAR and
the Father of lies . This lie that other religions know GOD is a lie . THEY DO NOT believe in CHRIST as THE CHRIST
they do not even acknowledge him as the SON of GOD . And yet sold out church leaders
are spouting the lie that muslims and others know GOD so long as they do them so LOVING and have them some good works .
AS FOR ME i stand with JESUS no matter the cost . I stand with what all apostels would teach .
HE who believes NOT that JESUS IS the CHRIST , IS ANTI CHRIST . JOHN said it best .
And thus we better have NO PART in an anti christ religoin .
 
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What don’t you “understand perfectly”?

“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes; cease to do evil; learn to do good; seek judgment, reprove the oppressor. Judge the orphan, plead for the widow.” (Isaiah 1:16-17)

Are verses like these hard to understand “perfectly”?

Because these are the things that matter above all in scripture. These are the things that produce a good relationship with God.

“Jesus said…You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” (Matthew 22:37-40)

You only need to UNDERSTAND.

There’s no such thing as “perfect understanding”.
That is the PROBLEM with this generation . THEIR version of LOVE YOUR NIEIGHBOR as YOURSELF
HAS OMITTED THE FIRST GREAT COMMANDMENT OF ALL . for their version of love your neighbor
has allowed all sorts of evils to be called GOOD . GOD IS NOT LOVED by this false progressive generation .
Nor do they even have the eyes , ears , mind or heart to even LOVE THEIR NEIGHBOR .
HAD THEY LOVED GOD , HIS CHRIST , ABOVE ALL , they would have spoken HIS WORDS
they would have caused the people to repent of their evil . But instead they promise the evil LIFE .
THAT NONE RETURNS FROM HIS EVIL WAY . THEY JUSTFIY the WICKED and they condmen the righteous lambs OF GOD
who do warn and who do correct . WHO are doing all to bring the message to those in error , TO REPENT of their wicked ways .
NOPE , they attack those . NONE repents of his evil , and today the only evil is , THOSE WHO WOULD CORRECT EVIL .
ITS gone totally out of control now . MANY hate the VERY GOD , the VERY CHRIST they claim by MOUTH to love
and they love the very god who contradicts GOD . its getting worse and fast my friend . STAY DUG IN THAT BIBLE .
YOU LOVE EVERY WORD OF IT . The lambs shall point to GOD and to HIS CHRIST and remind often and daily
OF ALL HIS HOLY INSPIRED WORDS in said bible . DO IT , DO IT no matter the cost .