THE DAY OF THE LORD

[Davy]

There is no scripture that says a fire will burn mans works off the face of the earth before the 1000 years. 2Pet 3:10 occurs after the 1000 years. I never made a connection between Rev.20:7-9 and 2Pet 3:10.

Sorry, but the idea that 2 Peter 3:10 happens AFTER... Christ's future 1,000 years reign of Rev.20 is BALDERDASH. You want to call a spade a spade, that's what I'm doing, and I can back up what I say per The Scriptures.


2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
KJV

Did you note that little phrase there in red which Peter used for the TIMING of that event? What's that relate to?

To this...

Rev 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
KJV


And this...

Rev 3:3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
KJV


And this...

1 Thess 5:1-4
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV

I will spare you what else Lord Jesus taught about that idea of the thief breaking in per His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13. Now ALL... those Scripture examples about those events coming "as a thief" ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DAY OF CHRIST'S FUTURE RETURN. So when does His "thousand years" reign BEGIN? On the 1st day of His return. So once He HAS RETURNED, those above events will have already been fulfilled.

 

[Keraz]

But, he was right in accusing you of that. You had no basis for reporting him. You referenced 1 Thess 4:17 which has to do with the resurrected dead in Christ being caught up together with those who are still alive at Christ's return. And 2 Thess 2:1 is clearly about that same event. So, to say that 2 Thess 2:1 does not involve a resurrection while referencing a directly related verse (1 Thess 4:17) that talks about the resurrected dead in Christ is a clear contradiction on your part.

People who believe in a general resurrection of all the Christian dead, when Jesus Returns; are wrong.
The ONLY people resurrected then will be the GT martyrs, as clearly stated in Rev 20:4.
And those gathered as per 1 Thess 4:17 and Matthew 24:31, are living faithful Christians, who do NOT go to heaven, just Jerusalem, where Jesus will be for the next thousand years.
2 Thess 2:1 reiterates the surety that Jesus will Return. Nothing about people being resurrected.

I know that it can be hard to see your long held beliefs challenged, but only the Bible tells the truth and it is sheer speculation to think we can ever go to heaven. Jesus undeniably said: No one goes to heaven, except for the One who came from there. John 3:13 He made no qualifications to that plain statement, it applies forever. Eventually God and Heaven come to the earth. Revelation 21:1-7

 

[jamesdalbright]

Sorry, but the idea that 2 Peter 3:10 happens AFTER... Christ's future 1,000 years reign of Rev.20 is BALDERDASH. You want to call a spade a spade, that's what I'm doing, and I can back up what I say per The Scriptures.

The fulfillment of 2Pet 3:10 is found in Rev. 20:11. The idea that the phrase "will come like a thief" is telling us that 2Pet 3:10 will occur before Rev. 20:11 is bizzare. There is no doubt that Rev. 20:11 will occur like a thief to those surrounding Jerusalem. Apparently after the 1000 years and Satan is released the generation that surrounds Jerusalem will have forgotten the lesson their ancestors learned from Armageddon and the generations learned throughout the 1000 years from Jesus. This realization helps us see the access Satan can have in us through our awareness of good and evil. Can't wait until the awareness of good and evil is removed from us in the resurrection.
2Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up........13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
Rev. 20:11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them........Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The scriptures point out that there is no connection between the fulfillmnent of Mal. 4:5-6 and John the Baptist. The scriptures merely pointed out the John had the same effect as Elijah and that Elijah will have the same effect as John when he is sent back as one of the two witnesses after the Antichrist and the False Prophet capture Jerusalem and set up the abomination of desolation.
Mal 4:5 “Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. 6 “And he will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the land with a curse.”

I will go by what scripture tells us regarding the fulfillment of Malachi 4:5-6.

Malachi 4:5 “Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. 6 “And he will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the land with a curse.”

Luke 1:13 But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. 14 And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. 15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. 16 And he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

The angel who spoke to John the Baptist's father Zechariah referenced Malachi 4:5-6 and applied it to John the Baptist. So, that is what I will do as well.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

People who believe in a general resurrection of all the Christian dead, when Jesus Returns; are wrong.
The ONLY people resurrected then will be the GT martyrs, as clearly stated in Rev 20:4.
And those gathered as per 1 Thess 4:17 and Matthew 24:31, are living faithful Christians, who do NOT go to heaven, just Jerusalem, where Jesus will be for the next thousand years.

Who said anything about them going to heaven? I don't believe they will go to heaven and I've told you that many times. That is not the issue I have with what you said. The issue is that you said they will not be resurrected. Yes, they will. That is very clear.

1 Thess 4: 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

It couldn't be more clear. First, Jesus will descend from heaven and then the dead in Christ will be resurrected. Then "After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.".

2 Thess 2:1 reiterates the surety that Jesus will Return. Nothing about people being resurrected.

It doesn't have to say it every time His return is mentioned. It references our being gathered to Him and the 1 Thess 4:14-17 passage makes it very clear the dead in Christ will be resurrected first before being gathered to Him along with those who are alive at that time.

I know that it can be hard to see your long held beliefs challenged, but only the Bible tells the truth and it is sheer speculation to think we can ever go to heaven.

Are you losing your mind or something? When you say "resurrected" you are equating that with rising up to heaven? Most people who see a reference to being resurrected associate that with being resurrected from the dead. So, are you not denying that the dead in Christ will be resurrected from the dead at that time and you instead are only arguing that they will not be taken to heaven? If so, I agree. But, you need to learn to communicate more clearly in that case.

Jesus undeniably said: No one goes to heaven, except for the One who came from there. John 3:13 He made no qualifications to that plain statement, it applies forever. Eventually God and Heaven come to the earth. Revelation 21:1-7

LOL. Only you describe someone being taken to heaven as them being resurrected. You couldn't make things more confusing if you tried. Again, try to learn how to communicate.

 

[jamesdalbright]

Sorry, but the idea that 2 Peter 3:10 happens AFTER... Christ's future 1,000 years reign of Rev.20 is BALDERDASH. You want to call a spade a spade, that's what I'm doing, and I can back up what I say per The Scriptures.


2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
KJV

Did you note that little phrase there in red which Peter used for the TIMING of that event? What's that relate to?

To this...

Rev 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
KJV


And this...

Rev 3:3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
KJV


And this...

1 Thess 5:1-4
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV

I will spare you what else Lord Jesus taught about that idea of the thief breaking in per His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13. Now ALL... those Scripture examples about those events coming "as a thief" ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DAY OF CHRIST'S FUTURE RETURN. So when does His "thousand years" reign BEGIN? On the 1st day of His return. So once He HAS RETURNED, those above events will have already been fulfilled.

The fulfillment of 2Pet 3:10 is found in Rev. 20:11. The idea that the phrase "will come like a thief" is telling us that 2Pet 3:10 will occur before Rev. 20:11 is bizzare. There is no doubt that Rev. 20:11 will occur like a thief to those surrounding Jerusalem. Apparently after the 1000 years and Satan is released the generation that surrounds Jerusalem will have forgotten the lesson their ancestors learned from Armageddon and the generations learned throughout the 1000 years from Jesus. This realization helps us see the access Satan can have in us through our awareness of good and evil. Can't wait until the awareness of good and evil is removed from us in the resurrection.
2Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up........13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
Rev. 20:11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them........Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The fulfillment of 2Pet 3:10 is found in Rev. 20:11. The idea that the phrase "will come like a thief" is telling us that 2Pet 3:10 will occur before Rev. 20:11 is bizzare. There is no doubt that Rev. 20:11 will occur like a thief to those surrounding Jerusalem. Apparently after the 1000 years and Satan is released the generation that surrounds Jerusalem will have forgotten the lesson their ancestors learned from Armageddon and the generations learned throughout the 1000 years from Jesus. This realization helps us see the access Satan can have in us through our awareness of good and evil. Can't wait until the awareness of good and evil is removed from us in the resurrection.
2Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up........13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
Rev. 20:11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them........Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.

While I agree that 2 Peter 3:10 is related to Rev 20:11, why do you have 2 Peter 3:10, which is about the day of the Lord that will come as a thief, occurring 1000+ years after Christ's return?

Is that your understanding of this passage as well:

1 Thessalonians 5:1 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

 

[Davy]

The fulfillment of 2Pet 3:10 is found in Rev. 20:11.

I think you're referring to verse 9, not 11. Verse 9 is when God brings fire down upon those that Satan leads against the "camp of the saints" after the "thousand years" reign by Jesus and His elect. That is NOT the 2 Peter 3:10 event that happens on the last day of this present world. You are confusing the two events of God's fire, one that ends this PRESENT world, and His fire that at the end of the 1,000 years that only destroys those who come up against the "camp of the saints" on earth. So let's talk about that "camp" a bit.

The "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" of that future time is what the layout and temple of Ezekiel 40 through 47 is about. And the Ezekiel 47 chapter reveals God's River flowing out from that future temple on earth, and feeding other waters upon this earth. And on either side of it is the Tree of Life bearing its many fruits per its months, with the leaves for the healing of the nations. That happens DURING Jesus' 1,000 years reign. And not all of the nations are going to be deceived by Satan at the end of that period to go up against that "camp of the saints" on earth. Those nations will NOT be destroyed by God's fire. The fire God rains down at that time is ONLY upon the deceived of those nations that join with Satan to go up against the "camp" and "beloved city". It is NOT a destruction of the whole earth. Nor is God's River and the Tree of Life going to be destroyed by that fire either. Only those who come up against the "camp of the saints" led by Satan.

The idea that the phrase "will come like a thief" is telling us that 2Pet 3:10 will occur before Rev. 20:11 is bizzare.

Your wrong interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10 is what is bizarre.

And you KNOW I'm right about that "as a thief" metaphor that Jesus taught to point to His coming on the last day of this present world. You're just being stubborn.

Matt 24:42-47
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV

 

[Keraz]

1 Thess 4:14-17 passage makes it very clear the dead in Christ will be resurrected first before being gathered to Him along with those who are alive at that time.

It is you that has the wrong belief of all the Christian dead being raised at the Return.
Verse 16 does NOT say 'all'.
The Words of Revelation 20:4, plainly say that ONLY the GT martyrs will be resurrected by Jesus at His Return.

When you say "resurrected" you are equating that with rising up to heaven? Most people who see a reference to being resurrected associate that with being resurrected from the dead.

Unfortunately, most people have the incredible belief of going to live in heaven. I am glad you don't think that.
But; ALL the Christian dead, including the OT saints, like Job and David, 'sleep' until the GWT Judgment, to come after the Millennium. ALL of those righteous and faithful people, whose names will be found in the Book of Life, will then be raised into immortality.

 

[jamesdalbright]

I think you're referring to verse 9, not 11. Verse 9 is when God brings fire down upon those that Satan leads against the "camp of the saints" after the "thousand years" reign by Jesus and His elect. That is NOT the 2 Peter 3:10 event that happens on the last day of this present world. You are confusing the two events of God's fire, one that ends this PRESENT world, and His fire that at the end of the 1,000 years that only destroys those who come up against the "camp of the saints" on earth. So let's talk about that "camp" a bit.

The "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" of that future time is what the layout and temple of Ezekiel 40 through 47 is about. And the Ezekiel 47 chapter reveals God's River flowing out from that future temple on earth, and feeding other waters upon this earth. And on either side of it is the Tree of Life bearing its many fruits per its months, with the leaves for the healing of the nations. That happens DURING Jesus' 1,000 years reign. And not all of the nations are going to be deceived by Satan at the end of that period to go up against that "camp of the saints" on earth. Those nations will NOT be destroyed by God's fire. The fire God rains down at that time is ONLY upon the deceived of those nations that join with Satan to go up against the "camp" and "beloved city". It is NOT a destruction of the whole earth. Nor is God's River and the Tree of Life going to be destroyed by that fire either. Only those who come up against the "camp of the saints" led by Satan.



Your wrong interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10 is what is bizarre.

And you KNOW I'm right about that "as a thief" metaphor that Jesus taught to point to His coming on the last day of this present world. You're just being stubborn.

Matt 24:42-47
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV

Good luck with your false teaching. Jesus will deal with you if you don't refine and become a stumbling block to keeping the message pure as we move closer to the end.
Dan. 12:10 “ Many will be purged, purified and refined; but the wicked will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand.
As of this moment you won't make it to this category. You'll be purged before this point.
Dan. 11:35 “And some of those who have insight will fall, in order to refine, purge, and make them pure, until the end time; because it is still to come at the appointed time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is you that has the wrong belief of all the Christian dead being raised at the Return.
Verse 16 does NOT say 'all'.
The Words of Revelation 20:4, plainly say that ONLY the GT martyrs will be resurrected by Jesus at His Return.

This is besides the point I was addressing and I have already addressed what you're saying here with you several times. What I was addressing was when you said 1 Thess 4:17 and 2 Thess 2:1 don't say anything about ANYONE being resurrected and I showed that they do. But, then I saw that your definition of the word "resurrected" is to go up to heaven. So, you caused unnecessary confusion with the way you worded things. Everyone else sees that word and thinks of dead people being resurrected from the dead.

Unfortunately, most people have the incredible belief of going to live in heaven. I am glad you don't think that.

It says we will meet Him "in the air". Is that heaven? No. Those who believe in a pre-trib rapture think we are then taken to heaven after that. But, I ask them what is the point of meeting Him in the air if we are then taken to heaven? Why not just meet Him in heaven if that's where we were going? And they can't answer that in any kind of reasonable way.

 

[jamesdalbright]

The Words of Revelation 20:4, plainly say that ONLY the GT martyrs will be resurrected by Jesus at His Return.

The resurrection found in Rev 19:7, occurs just after Babylon the great is judged, just before Armageddon takes place.
Rev 19:7 “Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” 8 And it was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. 9 And he said to me, “ Write, ‘ Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’” And he said to me, “ These are true words of God.”
Dan.12:1 tells us everyone whose name is found written in the Book of Life are raised up in the Rev. 19:7 resurrection, which will include those mentioned in Rev. 20:4-5.
Dan. 12:1 “Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.
Rev. 20:4-5 tells us those who were beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; will be given a thrown to judge those who live during the 1000 years reign. The people that fit into this category span from the beginning of time until the resurrection takes place. John the Baptist will be included among those who were beheaded.
Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Those that come to Jesus during the 1000 years go to a place called Death. This can be seen by the fact that Rev. 20:13 tells us that a place called Death will give up the dead and Rev. 20:15 differentiates between those found written in the book of life from those who are not.
Rev. 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 And death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
The sea that gives up the dead, found in Rev. 20:13 is the Lake of Fire which according to Rev. 19:20 is where the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be raised from.
Rev. 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

 

[Keraz]

Rev. 20:4-5 tells us those who were beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; will be given a thrown to judge those who live during the 1000 years reign. The people that fit into this category span from the beginning of time until the resurrection takes place. John the Baptist will be included among those who were beheaded.

Revelation 20:4 is crystal clear: ONLY those martyrs killed for their faith during the 1260 day, or 42 month, or 3 1/2 year time that Satan seizes world control. will be raised back to life by Jesus at His Return.

I reiterate: any other dead people will have to wait until the final Judgment, after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15
Including John, Job and David -Acts 13:36

 

[rwb]

If I was going to sum up the Day of the Lord I would say it is when Jesus intervenes in the affairs of mankind and includes the resurrection, Armageddon, the disposal of the Antichrist, False Prophet and his armies, Jesus’s 1000 years reign, the destruction of the heavens and earth, the judgment of the dead, the sentencing of the unsaved to the Lake of Fire and the new heaven and the new earth.

I too believe the Day of the Lord both foretold of old would come, and foretold would come to an end or last Day of the Lord, began with the advent of Christ coming to earth a man. Most don't understand the Day of the Lord includes all that is written of the Lord because they think the Day of the lord is only one day when He returns in glory.

The great and notable/terrible Day of the Lord began when Christ was born and the first epic event we read occurring then was the war in heaven between Michael and His messengers (heavenly angels) and the dragon and his messengers (demon spirits) waging war with the dragon and his demonic spiritual hosts being cast out of heaven to the earth. (see Rev 12:7-9)

The power of Christ coming in His Day wasn't fully known until Pentecost when the Day of the Lord came with great power that was revealed through signs and wonders. Peter says the days that would come after the outpouring of the Spirit was in fact fulfillment of the words of the prophet, Joel. In chapter 2 of Joel he writes "for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand."

Acts 2:16-21 (KJV) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I agree the Day of the Lord began with the advent of Christ coming to this earth, and His Day in this age shall end when He comes again on the last Day of the Lord.

 

[rwb]

Where in 2 Peter 3:10 are you seeing any indication that the day of the Lord occurs over a period of time? How can the day of the Lord come unexpectedly as a thief in the night if it occurs over a long period of time?

The Day of the Lord written about in Peter is the last Day of the Lord. You can discover the Day of the Lord is the whole New Covenant era through what is written in Acts 2 when the Holy Spirit was poured out at Pentecost.

Again, how can the day of the Lord come unexpectedly like a thief in the night while bringing mass destruction (as indicated in passages like 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12) if it occurs over a long period of time? What you're saying simply does not line up with what Paul and Peter wrote about the day of the Lord. Zechariah wrote about a day of the Lord, but not the future day of the Lord that Paul and Peter wrote about. That can't be the case because the Zechariah 14 passage clearly does not line up with what passages like 2 Peter 3:10-12 indicate.

Because it is when He comes again on the final Day of the Lord it will be unexpectedly to the masses in unbelief, because they have no understanding of how the Day of the Lord and all that was written of Him has been and is being fulfilled in this age since the advent of Christ' first coming.

 

[rwb]

Malachi 4:5-6 (KJV) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Luke 1:17 (KJV) And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Matthew 17:10-13 (KJV) And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

Mark 9:11-13 (KJV) And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come? And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

John 1:21-23 (KJV) And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

I don't see how anyone reading these passages can deny the words of prophesy from Malachi were fulfilled through John-the-Baptist! Before the Day of the Lord would come is was foreknown that Elias must return first. Was John-the-Baptist literally Elias returned to life from the dead? In his own words he said he was not. But I believe what so many don't realize is that John-the-Baptist was indeed fulfillment of Malachi's prophesy that Elias must come before the Day of the Lord would come. We find the answer in the words of Luke when the angel tells Zachariah that John would not literally be Elias, but he would go before the Lord IN THE SPIRIT AND POWER OF ELIAS.

Luke 1:11-17 (KJV) And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

John-the-Baptist offers further proof that the Day of the Lord the prophets of Old foretold would come indeed did come when Christ came to earth a man.

 

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According to Mat 17:10-12 and Mark 9:12 John the Baptist was not the returning Elijah. After John the Baptist had already been beheaded Jesus stated that Elijah is still coming in Mat 17:11 and Mark 9:12.
Matt. 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; 12 but I say to you, that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”
Mark 9:11-12 And they asked Him, saying, "Why is it that the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" 12 And He said to them, "Elijah does first come and restore all things. And yet how is it written of the Son of Man that He should suffer many things and be treated with contempt?


The answer to why Jesus said that Elijah had already come and that he will come in the future is found when we compare the effect that John was having at the time and the effect that Elijah will have when he comes, which as is stated in Luke 1:13-17 and Mal 4:5-6 is that both caused the hearts of fathers to turn back to the children.
Luke 1:13 But the angel said to him, “ Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your petition has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you will give him the name John. 14 “And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. 15 “For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine or liquor; and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, while yet in his mother’s womb. 16 “And he will turn back many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 “And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS BACK TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous; so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”
Mal 4:5-6 "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. 6 "And he will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the land with a curse."


John himself said he was not Elijah who is to come.
John 1:19-21 And this is the witness of John, when the Jews sent to him priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?" 20 And he confessed, and did not deny, and he confessed, "I am not the Christ." 21 And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" And he said^, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered, "No."

I answered your question about 2Pet in my original post.

John-the-Baptist being filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb was indeed fulfillment of coming in the Spirit and power of Elijah. John's birth further proves the Day of the Lord began when Christ came to earth a man.

 

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Below are the scriptures and common sense that I use to address the issue.

According to Mat 17:10-12 and Mark 9:12 John the Baptist was not the returning Elijah. After John the Baptist had already been beheaded Jesus stated that Elijah is still coming I Mat 17:11 and Mark 9:12.
Matt. 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; 12 but I say to you, that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”
Mark 9:11-12 And they asked Him, saying, "Why is it that the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" 12 And He said to them, "Elijah does first come and restore all things. And yet how is it written of the Son of Man that He should suffer many things and be treated with contempt?

The answer to why Jesus said that Elijah had already come and that he will come in the future is found when we compare the effect that John was having at the time and the effect that Elijah will have when he comes, which as is stated in Luke 1:13-17 and Mal 4:5-6 is that both caused the hearts of fathers to turn back to the children.
Luke 1:13 But the angel said to him, “ Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your petition has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you will give him the name John. 14 “And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. 15 “For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine or liquor; and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, while yet in his mother’s womb. 16 “And he will turn back many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 “And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS BACK TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous; so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”
Mal 4:5-6 "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. 6 "And he will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the land with a curse."

John himself said he was not Elijah who is to come.
John 1:19-21 And this is the witness of John, when the Jews sent to him priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?" 20 And he confessed, and did not deny, and he confessed, "I am not the Christ." 21 And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" And he said^, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered, "No."

The prophet Elijah will not be returning to earth again, and Christ never said He would come twice!

 

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How do you figure? Matthew 17:10-13 very specifically indicates that John the Baptist WAS the returning Elijah.

Matthew 17:9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.” 10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?” 11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

Jesus said "Elijah has already come" and then it shows that the disciples understood that he was talking about John the Baptist. Why don't you understand that? It's spelled out for you right in the text.



You're just not getting it. Of course he was not the literal Elijah and no one is saying that. But, we know from passages like Matthew 11:11-14 and Matthew 17:10-14 that John the Baptist was the fulfillment of the Elijah to come. And we know from Luke 1 that the context was in terms of him coming in the spirit of Elijah (he was like Elijah), so that's how the prophecy should be understood. You are not allowing New Testament scripture to interpret the Old Testament scripture for you.

I agree that John-the-Baptist is fulfillment of the prophesy regarding the coming of the Lord. It is proof the Day of the Lord has already come, and since He has already come, we now look for and wait for the Lord to come again on the last Day of the Lord at the end of this age.

 

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You are not getting it; John himself said he was not Elijah who is to come. The scriptures are for reproof and correction not opinions.
John 1:19-21 And this is the witness of John, when the Jews sent to him priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?" 20 And he confessed, and did not deny, and he confessed, "I am not the Christ." 21 And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" And he said^, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered, "No."

But John did not tell them he was the one the angel foretells his father, Zachariah, would come in the SPIRIT of Elijah. That is how the prophesy was fulfilled, John-the-Baptist was not Elijah returning from the dead. John was however in the power and spirit of Elijah because he was filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb.