The Key to all the Parables of Jesus

[VictoryinJesus]

Jesus changed that law, he told them in Matthew to disregard that law in Leviticus.

But did he disregard “a life for a life”? As non important? Could “a life for a life” be though he was rich, for your sakes he become poor, that, through his poverty might become rich. Paul did the same as an example of Christ?
2 Corinthians 8:8-15 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love. [9] For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich. [10] And herein I give my advice: for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago. [11] Now therefore perform the doing of it ; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which you have. [12] For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man has and not according to that he hath not. [13] For I mean not that other men be eased, and you burdened: [14] But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality: [15] As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.

 

[Waiting on him]

But did he disregard “a life for a life”? As non important? Could “a life for a life” be though he was rich, for your sakes he become poor, that, through his poverty might become rich. Paul did the same as an example of Christ?
2 Corinthians 8:8-15 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love. [9] For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich. [10] And herein I give my advice: for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago. [11] Now therefore perform the doing of it ; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which you have. [12] For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man has and not according to that he hath not. [13] For I mean not that other men be eased, and you burdened: [14] But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality: [15] As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.

My opinion is that the parable was specific to the Jews of that specific age which has came and gone.

Jesus was about to send them forward with his spirit to evangelize the known world. Just my opinion the focus of the parable is light/truth which came by Jesus. At the time he spoke this parable he was speaking to men who had no oil or light, which came upon the gifting of the Holy Spirit.

The reason so many have struggled with the parables and their true meanings over the past two millennia is because they are trying to apply a messaging to people that are not in the narrative.

In the gospel of John he himself says he witnessed the light come into the world but darkness didn’t comprehend. What a thing to acknowledge that he himself didn’t even comprehend, and couldn’t due to the lack of the spirit.

If you’d asked any Pharisee of that age they would have told you they were the wise virgins full of light, but the thing that is being misunderstood is if they were yet virgin then they had yet had Christ formed in them, and had yet to be consummated; no seed had been planted.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

My opinion is that the parable was specific to the Jews of that specific age which has came and gone.

Jesus was about to send them forward with his spirit to evangelize the known world. Just my opinion the focus of the parable is light/truth which came by Jesus. At the time he spoke this parable he was speaking to men who had no oil or light, which came upon the gifting of the Holy Spirit.

The reason so many have struggled with the parables and their true meanings over the past two millennia is because they are trying to apply a messaging to people that are not in the narrative.

In the gospel of John he himself says he witnessed the light come into the world but darkness didn’t comprehend. What a thing to acknowledge that he himself didn’t even comprehend, and couldn’t due to the lack of the spirit.

If you’d asked any Pharisee of that age they would have told you they were the wise virgins full of light, but the thing that is being misunderstood is if they were yet virgin then they had yet had Christ formed in them, and had yet to be consummated; no seed had been planted.

I can see your point in who it was to. Agree the Pharisees would have said they were the wise virgins.

 

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My opinion is that the parable was specific to the Jews of that specific age which has came and gone.

Jesus was about to send them forward with his spirit to evangelize the known world. Just my opinion the focus of the parable is light/truth which came by Jesus. At the time he spoke this parable he was speaking to men who had no oil or light, which came upon the gifting of the Holy Spirit.

The reason so many have struggled with the parables and their true meanings over the past two millennia is because they are trying to apply a messaging to people that are not in the narrative.

I agree with you, and I think much confusion has resulted.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

I can see your point in who it was to. Agree the Pharisees would have said they were the wise virgins.

Well, bottom line they were all virgins. This to me implies he had yet entered in.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Well, bottom line they were all virgins. This to me implies he had yet entered in.

Ok.

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus changed that law, he told them in Matthew to disregard that law in Leviticus.

Physically, the Law of Moses is obsolete. But not so spiritually. Without the law taking on a greater significance, why would Jesus have to offer Himself? A life for a life is a crucial way to understand how we are transformed into new life. In Hebrew the Deuteronomy version actually says "A life IN a life"

Circumcision is now of the heart. Sabbath is a spiritual rest...etc

The New Covenant is the law of God written on the mind and the heart.

 

[Waiting on him]

Ok.

Just saying, if applicable only to those pre gifting of the Holy Spirit then what could he have been referring to in the parable?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

“When will you and others Give Christ the credit he deserves? And stop trying to take it for yourself.” …no, there is not enough for us and you. Like you don’t take it for yourself?

Christ paid the penalty for everyone. He is God, He has more than enough grace to give out.

To say there is not enough. I do not understand.. Where did Jesus fail?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

To say there is not enough. I do not understand.. Where did Jesus fail?

Matthew 25:8-9 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. [9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so ; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

That was the not enough I was referring to. Or

Matthew 25:9 Lexicon: "But the prudent answered, 'No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.'

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[VictoryinJesus]

Just saying, if applicable only to those pre gifting of the Holy Spirit then what could he have been referring to in the parable?

What about after the gifting of the Spirit?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Matthew 25:8-9 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. [9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so ; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

That was the not enough I was referring to. Or

Matthew 25:9 Lexicon: "But the prudent answered, 'No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.'

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think about what that means.

Also think of the bridegrooms answer.

"I did not know you"

and what made him know the wise. who had oil? and were ready?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

think about what that means.

Also think of the bridegrooms answer.

"I did not know you"

and what made him know the wise. who had oil? and were ready?

I don’t know. Giving up on the parable. You asked though where it said there is not enough. That was where.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don’t know. Giving up on the parable. You asked though where it said there is not enough. That was where.

I see.

 

[ScottA]

You missed it. Both of you.

As @Christophany points out, we don't need @Episkopos to 'mansplain' it for us. Jesus already did. He says understanding 'this parable' is the key to understanding all of them. Then he revealed to us this understanding-- a mystery that had been hidden since the foundation of the world. "The key" is provided, like a chart or legend on a map or blueprint that explains clearly what each symbol represents. You have to use the information given, to assign proper meaning to all the pages... It explains clearly what everything, means....

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He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

You have not explained the parable, nor all parables, nor the key to understanding them.

Jesus explained the parable of the sower, thus it needs no further explanation. That is not the point, nor the subject of His question about understanding "all" parables. And no, He wasn't just flustered with their inability to understand.

The point rather and the subject of His statement was "all", which gave the scope of all that is included. In other words, He wasn't just speaking of "all" thirty-some classic parables, but of "all" in the context of "all" since the beginning...as that is where they "all" began--as man was a parable of God (in His image). "Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

 

[Lizbeth]

Good question. I’ve had the same question about The Ark that Noah built. Where only eight souls were saved. Water baptism? The question I have …maybe a pointless question but why in the New Testament it says that if the bowels of mercy be shut up then the Love of God is not in it. Then the Ark (New Testament) which is Christ. Which doesn’t shut up the bowels of mercy to those without, saving more than eight.




Another good point. He came not to condemn but to save.



Yes, His rod and His staff comfort us. Not disagreeing.

The first time only a remnant were saved. Similar to only eight shut up in the Ark were saved? But what of
Romans 11:26-30 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: [27] For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. [28] As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. [29] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. [30] For as you in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
What is to obtain mercy through another’s unbelief? What about that one who is in unbelief? Yet through it another obtains mercy? Isn’t that odd? How can through their blindness, you have received sight? That all men will give thanks unto God, to the Jews first, also to the Gentiles.





1 Peter 4:1-2 Forasmuch then as Christ has suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; [2] That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

I’m not trying to disarm that Christ has suffered for us …I’m trying to remember it, to burn it into my mind as to not forget what Love He has for those whom did not Love Him first, but He first Loved them. You mentioned warning others. I read an article last night about a step father sexually abusing his step son for years, when he did this act he recited bible verses to the son telling him the reason this was happening was because the son had a devil in him. We better wake up to what is being taught. What comes out from the literal interpretations we push. Yes. Anyone can quote scripture. When I see the warning of God ..I see Paul showing the example where he stood in the midst of those calling him a reprobate and weak …he provokes them unto love …warning them …to do no wrong, to do no evil upon their brothers whom they say are weak. They are judging Paul and Paul is extending to them an opportunity of obedience unto righteousness that they be made perfect, even saying he would be weak that they be made strong, encouraged comforted, them perfected …to be this is an example of admonishment with active voice…which they wanted proof of Christ speaking in Paul. You think I hate admonishment. I love Pauls admonishment there (in Christ) of their attacking him and his warning that they have not yet been made perfect in Love. (Otherwise why is he saying I hope in your being perfected in Love?) No, I don’t hate that admonishment or correction or warning. I don’t want to disarm it. I want to model it. I truly do. I want to be persuaded of better things of you. To hold fast to Faith and enter in where Christ suffered for us that we might be made like unto Him. Warnings…I think about the frustration of Paul there and it confuses me about as much as the crucifixion..how Paul…how Christ…suffered such a contradiction of sinners warning and and those warnings ignored by the very ones claiming to be giving (dishing out) the warnings. How did Christ being crucified by all the religious, keep His tongue and not curse them and damn them all to Hell for their ignorance?

In that case we better not contradict or water down or confuse what the parable of the ten virgins is simply saying!

It hasn't escaped my notice that all you have been saying and implying is not for Jesus, it's for Epi. To undermine and accuse those who disagree with him. I have no problem at all with going on to perfection etc. But I sure do have a problem with anyone tearing down the foundations of what it means to be born of the Spirit, and denying that faith in Christ is the only means to salvation....teaching that some can be saved by their own rigtheousness, when the word of God says there is none righteous, no not one!

 

[Lizbeth]

There is a protocol (is that the right word?) and nothing outside of it gets in. To be honest it is the very thing that makes me doubt and wonder if God is fake. A fairy tale. I hear a warning in the parables too. Mostly a warning to not be high minded and neglectful of He came not to condemn but to save what is (was)lost.

Who is condemning the lost in this conversation?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

In that case we better not contradict or water down or confuse what the parable of the ten virgins is simply saying!

It hasn't escaped my notice that all you have been saying and implying is not for Jesus, it's for Epi. To undermine and accuse those who disagree with him. I have no problem at all with going on to perfection etc. But I sure do have a problem with anyone tearing down the foundations of what it means to be born of the Spirit, and denying that faith in Christ is the only means to salvation....teaching that some can be saved by their own rigtheousness, when the word of God says there is none righteous, no not one!

You said “It hasn't escaped my notice that all you have been saying and implying is not for Jesus, it's for Epi. To undermine and accuse those who disagree with him.”

I know you are wrong here. Do you know how I know? Because I have noticed epi and I have agreed very little on this topic. Nothing I’ve posted had anything to do with undermining or accusing those who disagree with him. Because I’ve disagreed with him on this topic also…that you didn’t notice. I’ve asked him questions, several, which he never replied to. So you are way off base with what you think you have noticed as going on.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Who is condemning the lost in this conversation?

This you are right about. I was being the condemning one.

 

[Episkopos]

In that case we better not contradict or water down or confuse what the parable of the ten virgins is simply saying!

We better do so.

It hasn't escaped my notice that all you have been saying and implying is not for Jesus, it's for Epi. To undermine and accuse those who disagree with him.

This is petty and accusatory. It is unreasonable and typical of religiously "converted" people who think the worst of any that disagree with them. Basically the Adamic nature at work...masquerading as something greater.

Can you be honest about yourself? Without risking your presumed salvation?

I have no problem at all with going on to perfection etc.

If perfection means not having to go to God...to Jesus for the perfecting of your faith, that is.

The flesh cringes at the thought that people have to go to God.

And such lack of faith is endemic in modern Christendom. They will say a quick prayer, and then when nothing happens...they give up on the idea of going directly to God...as if He wasn't listening.

But I sure do have a problem with anyone tearing down the foundations of what it means to be born of the Spirit, and denying that faith in Christ is the only means to salvation

A free sample might seem like a foundation to some. But the free stuff ends with the initial grace portion. If we have received the high calling...we are to sacrifice ourselves to God by seeking for the full measure of grace. We are to seek first the kingdom of God and His ACTUAL righteousness...not a religious self-righteousness based on human beliefs that have no power.

And because I see the initial grace in the proper way, as a sample of saving grace, I am called all kinds of names by carnal believers. Such is the evil embedded in the uncrucified who falsely claim to be crucified. Can you say...preserve the flesh?

....teaching that some can be saved by their own rigtheousness, when the word of God says there is none righteous, no not one!

This is narrow minded religious thinking....and dishonest. The bible is the best defense of there being the righteous. With very little in the way of reading skills one may improve one's understanding about how God sees righteousness.

On the holiness scale...no one is so righteous that they never sin.

A true Christian judge himself/herself on the holiness scale ....without condemning others who have a lower standard. The minimum standard of inheriting salvation is righteousness...meaning being humble, doing what is right, fearing God. The irony is that those who like you have become religious...do the exact opposite of righteousness. Rather than taking on the higher call in a selfless way...these attack and accuse those who do. The outer man will defend anything that threatens its carnal existence. (This the the true foundation you are defending...thinking you are defending something from God). These also judge others...condemning them for not being similarly indoctrinated. These are not teachable or reasonable...having a narrow minded self-congratulatory way of reading the bible. Always looking down on others rather than seeing what kind of person one has become (a religious hypocritical bigot). No fear of the Lord, no humility, no selflessness...just a selfish, judgmental bigotry that we see in the Pharisaical understanding of religious people.

If you could be honest for a moment... you would judge Peter for this statement..which you clearly have no capacity for now that your mind has gone over to being religiously reprobate.

For the honest (if there are any here) I quote this...

Acts 10: 34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him.

The righteous are accepted...not on the same level as what is pleasing to God. Without faith none can PLEASE God.

I know that this kind of understanding is miles beyond the carnal religious mind once it has been catered to by a self-congratulatory view of themselves that ignores the counsel of God.