The Key to all the Parables of Jesus

[Episkopos]

Yeah, I can see how John 3:3-11 might give someone that impression. Fear will do that to you. Me, I don't even know what being "born again" REALLY means - and when we tried to discuss it, the whole thread got turned into a damn goat rodeo.

All right. All these parables about the "Kingdom of God". What do you see the Kingdom of God as?

The kingdom of God is the eternal realm of the Spirit that permeates this world...invisibly. It is on a higher plane that we have been given access to in Christ. It is a place of peace and rest....and a tree of life..and we get there IN Christ. He is like a vehicle that takes us beyond the confines of this realm.

Those who have not tasted that realm...seen it... are not born of the Spirit. People have made a religious dogmatism trump reality.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

God is no "fake" and you know it-maybe you are referring to "fake-pseudo believers, having a form of godliness, denying it's power?"
Maybe you are going through trying times, wondering where God is IN your circumstances?

I don’t think God is fake. It isn’t because of men though. Men confuse me. i don’t think He is fake because I’ve never heard of a Love like His from the world. Supernatural is the only word I can think of, not fake. You are right though about wondering where God is in your circumstances. Maybe that is okay though, because as I was reading the Psalms the other night, there seems to be a commonality there of a cry that ask some of the same questions.

 

[Episkopos]

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.

NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

These the references you would concur?

Absolutely. We are to increase in humility at the same time as we grow in knowledge and understanding. Otherwise we are outgrowing our grip on wisdom.

We are to "shoresh lematah ve-asah pheri le-ma-elah"! (Take root downward and bear fruit upwards)

 

[Lambano]

I don’t think God is fake. It isn’t because of men though. Men confuse me. i don’t think He is fake because I’ve never heard of a Love like His from the world. Supernatural is the only word I can think of, not fake. You are right though about wondering where God is in your circumstances. Maybe that is okay though, because as I was reading the Psalms the other night, there seems to be a commonality there of a cry that ask some of the same questions.

Victory, are you okay? You sound like you're hurting pretty bad.

 

[Johann]

Absolutely. We are to increase in humility at the same time as we grow in knowledge and understanding. Otherwise we are outgrowing our grip on wisdom.

We are to "shoresh lematah ve-asah pheri le-ma-elah"! (Take root downward and bear fruit upwards)

תורשו שורש כלפי מטה והניאו פירות כלפי מעלה

I.E-
Eph_4:23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your mind,

And to be renewed by the Ruach Hakodesh controlling your machshavot (thoughts)
And to enrobe yourself in the Adam HeChadash (the new Man, humanity) having been created according to the demut Hashem in tzidkat Eloheinu and in the kedushah of HaEmes.

Col_3:10 and having put on the new, which is renewed in regard to knowledge, after the image of Him who did create him;
YLT

And instead enrobe with the Adam HaChadash, the one being renewed in da'as in accordance with the demut (1:15; BERESHIS 1:26-27; Pp 2:6) of the One having created him.
Here there is neither Yevani nor Yehudi, there is neither those who are or are not of the Bris Milah, there is no uncultured non-Greek speaker, there is no Scythian, eved, or Ben Chorin, but rather Moshiach is all in all.
Therefore, as Bechirim (Chosen ones) of Hashem, Kadoshim and ahuvim, enrobe yourselves in tender feelings of rachmei Shomayim (heavenly compassion, mercy), chesed (lovingkindness), anavah (humility), shiflut (lowliness), and savlanut (longsuffering),

Correct brother.
Johann.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The wise virgins went back to God to BUY the oil that cost everything...the full measure of grace.

So many questions “That cost everything.” They gave up everything? Did they? What does this cost look like …is it called losing your life to gain life—> no, there is not enough for us and you—> losing your life therefore preserving life in Christ? Losing it therefore preserving it(the oil?). How can you buy the oil that cost everything in —> not there is not enough for us and you.
Help me out here…what cost did the wise virgins give up to preserve Life?
Let us not forgot One was about ready to go give Himself for the cost…that none before were willing to pay…or give for “He will pour His Spirit out on all flesh”

Jesus Christ told the woman by the well “if you had asked of Me I would have given you Living water to drink.” How did Jesus Christ give His Life, and therefore preserve His Life? What is the cost? Is it to turn away from those who lack? Did Jesus Christ turn away from those who lacked? What of the scriptures “My cup runs over” “I am poured out” …

 

[Episkopos]

So many questions “That cost everything.” They gave up everything? Did they? What does this cost look like …is it called losing your life to gain life—> no, there is not enough for us and you—> losing your life therefore preserving life in Christ? Losing it therefore preserving it(the oil?). How can you buy the oil that cost everything in —> not there is not enough for us and you.
Help me out here…what cost did the wise virgins give up to preserve Life?
Let us not forgot One was about ready to go give Himself for the cost…than none before we’re willing to pay…

Being filled with the Spirit...cost us a full surrender of ourselves as a "living sacrifice". Unless the sacrifice is "all" we have and are...nothing happens. But when the full measure of OUR surrender is offered to God...He responds with HIS full measure of grace (a full measure of oil for our lamps...that never runs dry...unless we are wasteful. God chooses whether or not that sacrifice is sufficient and to be taken. Like the sacrifice of Abel in Genesis where the fire came down to consume his sacrifice.

When we "love not our lives unto death" we can turn to God in a FULL surrender....in order to receive of His fulness (the full measure of His grace).

We need not react in the flesh if this doesn't happen to us...like Cain who became upset and jealous of his brother. When we get it right, the Lord will take us. We need to be patient, loving, thankful, and abide in a living hope that God will take us in His time. Our job is to be conformed to Christ in righteousness.

If we sow righteousness we will reap mercy. So we remain humble, God-fearing, and patient...the patience of a true faith.

Jesus Christ told the woman by the well “if you had asked of Me I would have given you Living water to drink.” How did Jesus Christ give His Life, and therefore preserve His Life? What is the cost? Is it to turn away from those who lack? Did Jesus Christ turn away from those who lacked? What of the scriptures “My cup runs over” “I am poured out” …

Out of our bellies will flow rivers of living water. Jesus Christ is an endless source of life...that flows from these clay vessels into the world. We have this treasure in earthen vessels.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Victory, are you okay? You sound like you're hurting pretty bad.

Thank you for noticing. That is supernatural to me. Honestly, I’ve never been better. Having a Hope. Call it a coping mechanisms or whatever but there is a Hope that keeps returning and returning and returning in the worse of circumstances. As long as that Hope remains, there is always something to look forward to.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Being filled with the Spirit...cost us a full surrender of ourselves as a "living sacrifice". Unless the sacrifice is "all" we have and are...nothing happens. But when the full measure of OUR surrender is offered to God...He responds with HIS full measure of grace (a full measure of oil for our lamps...that never runs dry...unless we are wasteful. God chooses whether or not that sacrifice is sufficient and to be taken. Like the sacrifice of Abel in Genesis where the fire came down to consume his sacrifice.

When we "love not our lives unto death" we can turn to God in a FULL surrender....in order to receive of His fulness (the full measure of His grace).

We need not react in the flesh if this doesn't happen to us...like Cain who became upset and jealous of his brother. When we get it right, the Lord will take us. We need to be patient, loving, thankful, and abide in a living hope that God will take us in His time. Our job is to be conformed to Christ in righteousness.

If we sow righteousness we will reap mercy. So we remain humble, God-fearing, and patient...the patience of a true faith.


Out of our bellies will flow rivers of living water. Jesus Christ is an endless source of life...that flows from these clay vessels into the world. We have this treasure in earthen vessels.

I don’t disagree…what I disagree with is that the wise virgins paid the cost and gave up their lives. To me it doesn’t say that but the opposite. Showing they didn’t pay the cost to preserve Life. Because HE was about to go pay the cost…giving all that the Spirit of God be preserved and persevere …and what that looked like His being poured out …I don’t see how that can be compared to the wise virgins who could not touch what He was about to accomplish.

 

[Episkopos]

I don’t disagree…what I disagree with is that the wise virgins paid the cost and gave up their lives. To me it doesn’t say that but the opposite. Showing they didn’t pay the cost to preserve Life. Because HE was about to go pay the cost…giving all that the Spirit of God be preserved and persevere …and what that looked like His being poured out …I don’t see how that can be compared to the wise virgins who could not touch what He was about to accomplish.

Go and buy....


We cannot buy the oil for our lamps with money. We pay with our lives. The law is "a life for a life"...is it not? We give our lives in exchange for His life. Jesus gave His life for us all. We partake of His life as we go to Him in a full surrender...an offering to Him of all we have and are.

If we seek to preserve our lives (as so many rich modern believers do) than we will lose them. If we give up our lives for Christ...counting all things that are ours as having no value...then we will find our lives in Him.

 

[Johann]

I don’t disagree…what I disagree with is that the wise virgins paid the cost and gave up their lives. To me it doesn’t say that but the opposite. Showing they didn’t pay the cost to preserve Life. Because HE was about to go pay the cost…giving all that the Spirit of God be preserved and persevere …and what that looked like His being poured out …I don’t see how that can be compared to the wise virgins who could not touch what He was about to accomplish.

Maybe the 5 wise denied self, took up their cross-and keep on following the Master?

Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

Luk 14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

Luk 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Go and buy....


We cannot buy the oil for our lamps with money. We pay with our lives. The law is "a life for a life"...is it not? We give our lives in exchange for His life. Jesus gave His life for us all. We partake of His life as we go to Him in a full surrender...an offering to Him of all we have and are.

If we seek to preserve our lives (as so many rich modern believers do) than we will lose them. If we give up our lives for Christ...counting all things that are ours as having no value...then we will find our lives in Him.

We just can’t give them wise virgins up and become fools…it is all over what you are saying in my opinion “a life for a life”
Revelation 3:17-20 Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods,(extra oil) and have need of nothing(having extra but not enough for us and you, sounds like the Pharisees); and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: [18] I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that you may be clothed, (put on the New Man, Christ) and that the shame of your nakedness do not appear; and anoint your eyes with eyesalve(remove the what from your eyes, boulder?) that you may see. [19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. [20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: (please, please, our light has gone out?) if any man hear my voice, and open the door,(oh you Corinthians our mouth is open to you, our hearts enlarged) I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (That they may be one, even as we are one Father.)

1 Corinthians 3:16-23 Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? [17] If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. [18] Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seems to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. [19] For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. [20] And again, The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. [21] Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; [22] Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; [23] And you are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

I’m still scratching my head when going on and on about the wise being so wise that they counted the cost and paid the cost. I just don’t see it. I see Christ paying the cost, giving all. Not the wise who to me become fools at “no, there is not enough for you and me.” Even Christ cried “it is enough.”

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Maybe the 5 wise denied self, took up their cross-and keep on following the Master?

How did they take up their cross?
Were they not afraid of losing their life? So how did they give up their life? I’m sorry I just don’t see what we admire there. This was a parable pre-crucifixion. Jesus Christ speaking of and showing what to give up your life, becoming poor that those poor might be made rich. Do we deny that? So how are those wise virgins then the model of Christ…? how? Christ who we worship, sing, lift our hands up to in praise for His becoming poor for those poor that they may be found in His image and not their own image? We Love Him because He saw we were poor. Then we love wise virgins who ignored and turned away the poor. Explain that??
1 John 3:17 But whoso has this world's good, and sees his brother have need, and shuts up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwells the love of God in him?

 

[Episkopos]

We just can’t give them wise virgins up and become fools…it is all over what you are saying in my opinion “a life for a life”
Revelation 3:17-20 Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods,(extra oil) and have need of nothing(having extra but not enough for us and you, sounds like the Pharisees); and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: [18] I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that you may be clothed, (put on the New Man, Christ) and that the shame of your nakedness do not appear; and anoint your eyes with eyesalve(remove the what from your eyes, boulder?) that you may see. [19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. [20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: (please, please, our light has gone out?) if any man hear my voice, and open the door,(oh you Corinthians our mouth is open to you, our hearts enlarged) I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (That they may be one, even as we are one Father.)

1 Corinthians 3:16-23 Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? [17] If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. [18] Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seems to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. [19] For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. [20] And again, The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. [21] Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; [22] Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; [23] And you are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

I’m still scratching my head when going on and on about the wise being so wise that they counted the cost and paid the cost. I just don’t see it. I see Christ paying the cost, giving all. Not the wise who to me become fools at “no, there is not enough for you and me.” Even Christ cried “it is enough.”

If a cup is already filled...there is no room to pour anything into it. We empty ourselves to leave room to be filled with His Spirit. So then TO US, the cost is to lose everything. TO GOD it is a gift He is giving to us. We are merely making room for His gift.

But because we are SO selfish...we think the cost is great.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

How did they take up their cross?
Were they not afraid of losing their life? So how did they give up their life? I’m sorry I just don’t see what we admire there. This was a parable pre-crucifixion. Jesus Christ speaking of and showing what to give up your life, becoming poor that those poor might be made rich. Do we deny that? So how are those wise virgins then the model of Christ…? how? Christ who we worship, sing, lift our hands up to in praise for His becoming poor for those poor that they may be found in His image and not their own image? We Love Him because He saw we were poor. Then we love wise virgins who ignored and turned away the poor. Explain that??
1 John 3:17 But whoso has this world's good, and sees his brother have need, and shuts up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwells the love of God in him?

Shut up his bowels of compassion…who shut the door? In the door is now shut stupid virgins that went to buy from the merchants. No compassion in here! We don’t know you!

Who opened the door that no man can shut? (The Key). Who has the Key? “I set before you an open door no man can shut.”

 

[Behold]

The kingdom of God is the eternal realm of the Spirit that permeates this world...invisibly.

Let me show you that what you wrote is your idea, only..

First of all ... Both God and Christ exist in the KOG.
They in fact are the KOG>
The believer is In the KOG, because by being born again they become "In Christ", and "one with God" who are the KOG, as the KOG is a spiritual Kingdom

"God is A Spirit".
Believers are "born again" Spiritually.

Here is the mystery, Jesus said, the KOG is within you.. Luke 17:21.

What does that mean?
It means that Jesus is speaking about Himself as the KOG being on earth.....and also...."Christ IN YOU... the hope of Glory".. and "Glory" is Heaven.

Another way to understand being "In Christ" and "Christ in you", and the KOG is "in you" is this verse.

The born again are become the "temple of the Holy Spirit".

 

[VictoryinJesus]

If a cup is already filled...there is room to pour anything into it. We empty ourselves to leave room to be filled with His Spirit. So then TO US, the cost is to lose everything. TO GOD it is a gift He is giving to us. We are merely making room for His gift.

But because we are SO selfish...we think the cost is great.

That doesn’t answer a single thing about the wise virgins. To me it is just about a cup being filled up. But not how is that cup filled, what is the cup prepared for, what is in it? Everywhere I read in the word about being filled has to do with the fruit of the Spirit. Room to pour anything into it. It is filled. Yet there is room still in it. None of that addresses how the wise gave up their lives? How they poured out their cup, how their cup had room for more filling of the Spirit of God. How they are the ones that counted the cost and gave it; Grace, mercy, truth, long-suffering, patience or brotherly-kindness. It just is not there unless I’m missing it. To say they were filled and had their cups filled…doesn’t look like Christ. You will know them by their fruit? Those we say we brought extra..Spirit? Joy? Grace? mercy and truth? …where is the fruit? …in we wise to prepare for His coming but are not found so doing at His coming as He did (does)? So as He is so are they in this world?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Go and buy....


We cannot buy the oil for our lamps with money. We pay with our lives. The law is "a life for a life"...is it not? We give our lives in exchange for His life. Jesus gave His life for us all. We partake of His life as we go to Him in a full surrender...an offering to Him of all we have and are.

If we seek to preserve our lives (as so many rich modern believers do) than we will lose them. If we give up our lives for Christ...counting all things that are ours as having no value...then we will find our lives in Him.

we can't buy it. with money, or our lives.. because we lost that ability the moment we sinned.

It was paid for by the cross.. When will you and others Give Christ the credit he deserves? and stop trying to take it for yourself

 

[VictoryinJesus]

we can't buy it. with money, or our lives.. because we lost that ability the moment we sinned.

It was paid for by the cross.. When will you and others Give Christ the credit he deserves? and stop trying to take it for yourself

“When will you and others Give Christ the credit he deserves? And stop trying to take it for yourself.” …no, there is not enough for us and you. Like you don’t take it for yourself?

 

[Waiting on him]

The law is "a life for a life"...is it not? We give our lives in exchange for His life.

Jesus changed that law, he told them in Matthew to disregard that law in Leviticus.