The Key to all the Parables of Jesus

[Lizbeth]

You said “It hasn't escaped my notice that all you have been saying and implying is not for Jesus, it's for Epi. To undermine and accuse those who disagree with him.”

I know you are wrong here. Do you know how I know? Because I have noticed epi and I have agreed very little on this topic. Nothing I’ve posted had anything to do with undermining or accusing those who disagree with him. Because I’ve disagreed with him on this topic also…that you didn’t notice. I’ve asked him questions, several, which he never replied to. So you are way off base with what you think you have noticed as going on.

But you are agreeing with Epi on his view of those who are disagreeing with him. You both equate warning with condemnation and accuse or insinuate that those who point out the warning aspects of certain things in scripture are being unloving and condemning.

 

[MatthewG]

Everyone has been talking about the Ten Virgins Parable by the Lord Jesus Christ,

It's about his return, and for those who would be wise would be watching and waiting - as where those who were foolish were to late to come into the house due to their own lacking - faith that had died along the way to go see him. They died with the wrath of God abiding on them. (Isreal's destruction).

Matthew 25​

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New Living Translation​

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Parable of the Ten Bridesmaids​

25 “Then the Kingdom of Heaven will be like ten bridesmaids[a]who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 The five who were foolish didn’t take enough olive oil for their lamps, 4 but the other five were wise enough to take along extra oil. 5 When the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6 “At midnight they were roused by the shout, ‘Look, the bridegroom is coming! Come out and meet him!’
7 “All the bridesmaids got up and prepared their lamps. 8 Then the five foolish ones asked the others, ‘Please give us some of your oil because our lamps are going out.’
9 “But the others replied, ‘We don’t have enough for all of us. Go to a shop and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “But while they were gone to buy oil, the bridegroom came. Then those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was locked. 11 Later, when the other five bridesmaids returned, they stood outside, calling, ‘Lord! Lord! Open the door for us!’
12 “But he called back, ‘Believe me, I don’t know you!’
13 “So you, too, must keep watch! For you do not know the day or hour of my return.

 

[Episkopos]

Once people have fallen for the modern religious salvation scheme....a great fear keeps them in line...a fear that if they give up their attachment to Christ in the outer man...then they will be forsaking their salvation.

And this is where "there is a way that seems right unto a man/woman...but the end is death."

But God is not interested in preserving the outer man as we are. God wants to get through to the inner man...by CRUCIFYING the outer man.

So then what people are trying to preserve with their beliefs about the gospel...gets in the way of a true salvation.

If a man/woman seeks to preserve his/her live...he/she will lose it. But if he/she gives up his/her life for His sake...he/she will find it.

 

[MatthewG]

Everyone has been talking about the Ten Virgins Parable by the Lord Jesus Christ,

It's about his return, and for those who would be wise would be watching and waiting - as where those who were foolish were to late to come into the house due to their own lacking - faith that had died along the way to go see him. They died with the wrath of God abiding on them. (Isreal's destruction).

Matthew 25​

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New Living Translation​

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Parable of the Ten Bridesmaids​

25 “Then the Kingdom of Heaven will be like ten bridesmaids[a]who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 The five who were foolish didn’t take enough olive oil for their lamps, 4 but the other five were wise enough to take along extra oil. 5 When the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6 “At midnight they were roused by the shout, ‘Look, the bridegroom is coming! Come out and meet him!’
7 “All the bridesmaids got up and prepared their lamps. 8 Then the five foolish ones asked the others, ‘Please give us some of your oil because our lamps are going out.’
9 “But the others replied, ‘We don’t have enough for all of us. Go to a shop and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “But while they were gone to buy oil, the bridegroom came. Then those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was locked. 11 Later, when the other five bridesmaids returned, they stood outside, calling, ‘Lord! Lord! Open the door for us!’
12 “But he called back, ‘Believe me, I don’t know you!’
13 “So you, too, must keep watch! For you do not know the day or hour of my return.

In todays modern sense.

People that lack and die out in the faith - can bring forth destruction in their life.


Meaning ruin to some degree or another. --- In that day - "RUIN OF JERUSALEM and their 'economy - heaven and earth' - they knew.

Point of the story - do not lose faith, in my estimation but then again im just trying to be straight to the point of the matter here considering the audience that is around him at the time and speaking to, go back to Matthew 22, and start there.

i could be wrong.

 

[Lizbeth]

We better do so.


This is petty and accusatory. It is unreasonable and typical of religiously "converted" people who think the worst of any that disagree with them. Basically the Adamic nature at work...masquerading as something greater.

Can you be honest about yourself? Without risking your presumed salvation?



If perfection means not having to go to God...to Jesus for the perfecting of your faith, that is.

The flesh cringes at the thought that people have to go to God.

And such lack of faith is endemic in modern Christendom. They will say a quick prayer, and then when nothing happens...they give up on the idea of going directly to God...as if He wasn't listening.

A free sample might seem like a foundation to some. But the free stuff ends with the initial grace portion. If we have received the high calling...we are to sacrifice ourselves to God by seeking for the full measure of grace. we are to seek first the kingdom of God and His ACTUAL righteousness...not a religious self-righteousness based on human beliefs that have no power.

And because I see the initial grace in the proper way, as a sample of saving grace, I am called all kinds of names by carnal believers. Such is the evil embedded in the uncrucified who falsely claim to be crucified. Can you say...preserve the flesh?




This is narrow minded religious thinking....and dishonest. The bible is the best defense of there being the righteous. With very little in the way of reading skills one may improve one's understanding about how God sees righteousness.

On the holiness scale...no one is so righteous that they never sin.

A true Christian judge himself/herself on the holiness scale ....without condemning others who have a lower standard. The minimum standard of inheriting salvation is righteousness...meaning being humble, doing what is right, fearing God. The irony is that those who like you have become religious...do the exact opposite of righteousness. Rather than taking on the higher call in a selfless way...these attack and accuse those who do. The outer man will defend anything that threatens its carnal existence. (This the the true foundation you are defending...thinking you are defending something from God). These also judge others...condemning them for not being similarly indoctrinated. These are not teachable or reasonable...having a narrow minded self-congratulatory way of reading the bible. Always looking down on others rather than seeing what kind of person one has become (a religious hypocritical bigot). No fear of the Lord, no humility, no selflessness...just a selfish, judgmental bigotry that we see in the Pharisaical understanding of religious people.

If you could be honest for a moment... you would judge Peter for this statement..which you clearly have no capacity for now that your mind has gone over to being religiously reprobate.

For the honest (if there are any here) I quote this...

Acts 10: 34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him.

The righteous are accepted...not on the same level as what is pleasing to God. Without faith none can PLEASE God.

I know that this kind of understanding is miles beyond the carnal religious mind once it has been catered to by a self-congratulatory view of themselves that ignores the counsel of God.

I'm not the subject of this conversation and haven't been making any claims for myself at all.

You and we all need to come to the Holy Spirit for understanding of those scriptures Epi, to "hear" what the SPIRIT is saying. ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory and that is why ALL need a Saviour. The righteousness of the natural man falls short of the glory. Many in Israel were keeping the Law and being outwardly righteous but only those who had FAITH were commended in scripture.

Where it says, "In every nation he that fears Him..."....is prophetically informing Israel that Gentiles can come to faith in God as well as the Jews. How can anyone fear the Lord without believing in Him?

 

[Episkopos]

But you are agreeing with Epi on his view of those who are disagreeing with him. You both equate warning with condemnation and accuse those who point out the warning aspects of certain things in scripture of being unloving and condemning.

That's because she has more heart than you do. Your outer man wants to condemn the wisdom found in her inner man...the same way you stifle yourself from true faith in Christ.

You would destroy her to preserve your own religious life.

 

[Episkopos]

I'm not the subject of this conversation and haven't been making any claims for myself at all.

You and we all need to come to the Holy Spirit for understanding of those scriptures Epi, to "hear" what the SPIRIT is saying. ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory and that is why ALL need a Saviour. The righteousness of the natural man falls short of the glory. Many in Israel were keeping the Law and being outwardly righteous but only those who had FAITH were commended in scripture.

Where it says, "In every nation he that fears Him..."....is prophetically informing Israel that Gentiles can come to faith in God as well as the Jews. How can anyone fear the Lord without believing in Him?

You know nothing of righteousness beyond what your religious indoctrination forces you to believe.

Do an HONEST study of righteousness...and don't allow one or two verses that defend holiness against the lower form of righteousness make you throw out the baby with the bath water.

And you make this conversation about you...ego.. by your false admonitions...that kills people and true faith.

 

[Lizbeth]

Everyone has been talking about the Ten Virgins Parable by the Lord Jesus Christ,

It's about his return, and for those who would be wise would be watching and waiting - as where those who were foolish were to late to come into the house due to their own lacking - faith that had died along the way to go see him. They died with the wrath of God abiding on them. (Isreal's destruction).

Matthew 25​

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New Living Translation​

​

​

Parable of the Ten Bridesmaids​

25 “Then the Kingdom of Heaven will be like ten bridesmaids[a]who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 The five who were foolish didn’t take enough olive oil for their lamps, 4 but the other five were wise enough to take along extra oil. 5 When the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6 “At midnight they were roused by the shout, ‘Look, the bridegroom is coming! Come out and meet him!’
7 “All the bridesmaids got up and prepared their lamps. 8 Then the five foolish ones asked the others, ‘Please give us some of your oil because our lamps are going out.’
9 “But the others replied, ‘We don’t have enough for all of us. Go to a shop and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “But while they were gone to buy oil, the bridegroom came. Then those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was locked. 11 Later, when the other five bridesmaids returned, they stood outside, calling, ‘Lord! Lord! Open the door for us!’
12 “But he called back, ‘Believe me, I don’t know you!’
13 “So you, too, must keep watch! For you do not know the day or hour of my return.

Yes, being ready and awake....because when He comes He is coming as a thief in the night....this agrees with where it talks about the servant who buried his talent, that at the return of the master, even what that servant had will be taken away from him. And that is what is being implied about the unwise virgins...the oil that they had was gone, they had no more oil to keep their lamp lit. But like the profitable servants who had been gaining more talents, the wise virgins had been gaining more oil in their time of preparing for the return of the Bridegroom.

 

[Lizbeth]

That's because she has more heart than you do. Your outer man wants to condemn the wisdom found in her inner man...the same way you stifle yourself from true faith in Christ.

You would destroy her to preserve your own religious life.

Why don't you address the point I made instead of accusing?

 

[Lizbeth]

You know nothing of righteousness beyond what your religious indoctrination forces you to believe.

Do an HONEST study of righteousness...and don't allow one or two verses that defend holiness against the lower form of righteousness make you throw out the baby with the bath water.

And you make this conversation about you...ego.. by your false admonitions...that kills people and true faith.

Why don't you just answer my question instead of accusing? You brought a scripture in hopes of it proving that people can be accepted by God based on their own righteousness rather than faith.....and in that very scripture it talks about them fearing the Lord, so I asked how can they fear the Lord without having faith in Him. How can they? Faith has to be working with righteousness together in order to be accepted.

 

[Lizbeth]

You know nothing of righteousness beyond what your religious indoctrination forces you to believe.

Do an HONEST study of righteousness...and don't allow one or two verses that defend holiness against the lower form of righteousness make you throw out the baby with the bath water.

And you make this conversation about you...ego.. by your false admonitions...that kills people and true faith.

One's own righteousness can avoid curses and attract blessing as concerns THIS life, but it doesn't attain to eternal life. Everything to do with Israel (old covenant righteousness of Law keeping) was only a prophetic earthly foreshadowing of the heavenly/spiritual/eternal which was to come with the new covenant.

 

[Episkopos]

Why don't you just answer my question instead of accusing? You brought a scripture in hopes of it proving that people can be accepted by God based on their own righteousness rather than faith.....and in that very scripture it talks about them fearing the Lord, so I asked how can they fear the Lord without having faith in Him. How can they? Faith has to be working with righteousness together in order to be accepted.

People have been fearing God (or gods) since the time of creation.

The ancients Greeks would sacrifice animals...or even people... in order to appease the gods. They would consult the oracle at Delphi...the way people seek God for direction. Those who did that were seen as God-fearing. Even though they were misguided...it says something of their understanding about acknowledging what is greater than themselves.

(I know that your religious mindset will not see how that relates to fearing God.)

The idea here is not the religious practice itself ...but the character which is produced by acknowledging God in their actions.

Then there were the "God-fearers" ....the Gentiles among the Jews. These were the descendants of those God-fearers of old. These heard the gospel as it was preached at that time and converted to Christ. But the difference to us in our time is that they didn't stop fearing God.

Today, God-fearers must LEAVE the churches as the salvation scheme being preached now is not the true gospel. Modern believers don't fear God. They are taught only the positive aspects of salvation...without any of the conditions.

And God-fearing is a MINIMUM standard...a beginning of wisdom. This minimum standard has now been forsaken for a religious gambit that claims holiness on whoever receives a sample of grace.

When I see no humility or fear of God...I know that the beliefs are carnal and centered on the self-preservation mechanism of the outer man. To prove that point, I also see personal attacks against anyone who suggests that a personal encounter with the living God is necessary for entrance into the full measure of grace which is in holiness.

 

[Lizbeth]

People have been fearing God (or gods) since the time of creation.

The ancients Greeks would sacrifice animals...or even people... in order to appease the gods. They would consult the oracle at Delphi...the way people seek God for direction. Those who did that were seen as God-fearing. Even though they were misguided...it says something of their understanding about acknowledging what is greater than themselves.

(I know that your religious mindset will not see how that relates to fearing God.)

The idea here is not the religious practice itself ...but the character which is produced by acknowledging God in their actions.

Then there were the "God-fearers" ....the Gentiles among the Jews. These were the descendants of those God-fearers of old. These heard the gospel as it was preached at that time and converted to Christ. But the difference to us in our time is that they didn't stop fearing God.

Today, God-fearers must LEAVE the churches as the salvation scheme being preached now is not the true gospel. Modern believers don't fear God. They are taught only the positive aspects of salvation...without any of the conditions.

And God-fearing is a MINIMUM standard...a beginning of wisdom. This minimum standard has now been forsaken for a religious gambit that claims holiness on whoever receives a sample of grace.

When I see no humility or fear of God...I know that the beliefs are carnal and centered on the self-preservation mechanism of the outer man. To prove that point, I also see personal attacks against anyone who suggests that a personal encounter with the living God is necessary for entrance into the full measure of grace which is in holiness.

Fearing and worshiping idols/demons is not the beginning of anything but bondage and curses. Fearing the one true Living God.......is His just due. That's why it is the beginning of wisdom.....knowing God and therefore knowing what is justly due Him is the beginning of wisdom....because its the beginning of knowing GOD....and HE is our wisdom.

I truly marvel that some who seem so sensitive to anyone pointing out things in scripture that could be taken to be on the 'negative' side can be so completely unaffected by all the nasty and toxic 'negativity' and personal condemnation that someone else serves up to the faces of those who simply don't agree with him. It truly is incredible.....but shows us what we're wrestling with.

 

[MatthewG]

The flesh,


With all its truama from childhood, to adulthood.

With alls it wants and desires.

Fight or take flight modes that tend to engage with in.

 

[Episkopos]

Fearing and worshiping idols/demons is not the beginning of anything but bondage and curses.

This is a typical response from a bigot. Bigots see nothing good in any attempt at good even misguided. But God sees the heart.

Fearing the one true Living God.......is His just due. That's why it is the beginning of wisdom.....knowing God and therefore knowing what is justly due Him is the beginning of wisdom....because its the beginning of knowing GOD....and HE is our wisdom.

I truly marvel that some who seem so sensitive to anyone pointing out things in scripture that could be taken to be on the 'negative' side can be so completely unaffected by all the nasty and toxic 'negativity' and personal condemnation that someone else serves up to the faces of those who simply don't agree with him. It truly is incredible.....but shows us what we're wrestling with.

You simply have no wisdom in your view. You are religiously toxic.

What God "winked at" you condemn as demonic. So petty and easy for the self-righteous to do.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

But you are agreeing with Epi on his view of those who are disagreeing with him. You both equate warning with condemnation and accuse or insinuate that those who point out the warning aspects of certain things in scripture are being unloving and condemning.

I thought about this last night after I responded to you that you are right, I was the one condemning the church by saying there is a protocol and anything outside of that protocol is kept out. I too asked is that condemnation or a warning? As you keep saying warning is sometimes necessary. So I’m not resolved on if I meant it as condemning or warning.

Anytime you share something that isn’t liked it is quickly turned in to teaching works of trying to earn salvation by our own righteousness. Then anything shared gets drowned in what takes presidents which is to disarm any validity at all. (Or at least that is how I see it.)

I’m curious. Do you think Jesus Christ worked for His own salvation, for His own righteousness, when He took up the cross and was crucified for you?

 

[Episkopos]

Anytime you share something that isn’t liked it quickly turned in to teaching works of trying to earn salvation by our own righteousness.

This is a tactic of the enemy to curtail any actual seeking of God.

If someone says "seek God" ...that is seen as works salvation. Why?

Because of a lack of faith in God. The God in "us" is seen as trustworthy. But the God that is beyond us is not known and deemed as untrustworthy. So the focus remains on the self...but now a religious self. Thus creating the perfect Pharisee.

The foundation of eternal life is in Christ...not in us. It is where HE is...not already hiding somewhere in us.

This idea that we already have the fulness of God hiding somewhere in us is New Age thinking.

To get the full measure of grace we need to count the cost...and surrender fully to God.

 

[MatthewG]

Yes, being ready and awake....because when He comes He is coming as a thief in the night....this agrees with where it talks about the servant who buried his talent, that at the return of the master, even what that servant had will be taken away from him. And that is what is being implied about the unwise virgins...the oil that they had was gone, they had no more oil to keep their lamp lit. But like the profitable servants who had been gaining more talents, the wise virgins had been gaining more oil in their time of preparing for the return of the Bridegroom.

That makes sense to me.

Its simply like the seed put in the ground.

For us human beings… we have to make effort.

To continue to be grown up, even having some of our branches that come in and out of us back, which is where God prunes back.

Those who kept their lamp burning, kept seeking fot Jesus, and that oil they gather he contiuned to give thrm light.

The others did not; that is why they were told to go get more, because they have to make the effort cause your faith will not be accounted for by another person, just cause you followed them.

To be grounded and deeply rooted, building on top of the foundation laid out by jesus and his aposltes is to continue to have faith, and trust in God; and trust in the immovable, and unshakeable promises which are all spiritual.

Where as the flesh of man can fall- all their ideas… all their hopes, even their faith can be shaken.

But those who stand with the Lord and him whom makes them right before God doesnt need to worry as much, but continue to push, having faith and being moved by the spirit and building up ones faith, being renewed in their mind by the word… at least today.

Cause i dont expect to see jesus coming through the clouds but i do have a hope to see him just as everyone will who die and leave this earth.

 

[MatthewG]

That makes sense to me.

Its simply like the seed put in the ground.

For us human beings… we have to make effort.

To continue to be grown up, even having some of our branches that come in and out of us back, which is where God prunes back.

Those who kept their lamp burning, kept seeking fot Jesus, and that oil they gather he contiuned to give thrm light.

The others did not; that is why they were told to go get more, because they have to make the effort cause your faith will not be accounted for by another person, just cause you followed them.

To be grounded and deeply rooted, building on top of the foundation laid out by jesus and his aposltes is to continue to have faith, and trust in God; and trust in the immovable, and unshakeable promises which are all spiritual.

Where as the flesh of man can fall- all their ideas… all their hopes, even their faith can be shaken.

But those who stand with the Lord and him whom makes them right before God doesnt need to worry as much, but continue to push, having faith and being moved by the spirit and building up ones faith, being renewed in their mind by the word… at least today.

Cause i dont expect to see jesus coming through the clouds but i do have a hope to see him just as everyone will who die and leave this earth.

Only if you wanna be rich though in christ.

“And this same also — all diligence having brought in besides, superadd in your faith the worthiness, and in the worthiness the knowledge, and in the knowledge the temperance, and in the temperance the endurance, and in the endurance the piety, and in the piety the brotherly kindness, and in the brotherly kindness the love; for these things being to you and abounding, do make [you] neither inert nor unfruitful in regard to the acknowledging of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he with whom these things are not present is blind, dim-sighted, having become forgetful of the cleansing of his old sins; wherefore, the rather, brethren, be diligent to make stedfast your calling and choice, for these things doing, ye may never stumble, for so, richly shall be superadded to you the entrance into the age-during reign of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭5‬-‭11‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

2 Peter 1:5-11 And this same also — all diligence having brought in besides, superadd in your faith the worthiness, and in the worthiness the knowledge, and in the knowledge the temperance, and in the temperance the | Young's Literal Translation 1898

And this same also — all diligence having brought in besides, superadd in your faith the worthiness, and in the worthiness the knowledge, and in the knowledge the temperance, and in the temperance the

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Peter encourages his audience he wrote to do these things.

 

[Lizbeth]

This is a typical response from a bigot. Bigots see nothing good in any attempt at good even misguided. But God sees the heart.



You simply have no wisdom in your view. You are religiously toxic.

What God "winked at" you condemn as demonic. So petty and easy for the self-righteous to do.

Goodness, what bible are you reading Epi? He isn't 'winking' at it any more is He...?....but commands all men everywhere to repent of all this wrongdoing and turn to God in Christ. It is God you are accusing of being a "religious bigot", because this is HIS word not mine (and it isn't me who judges, but God....I once was a lost soul myself and only desire that others who are lost would be found as I was):

Rom 1:18-25

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

1Co 10:19-22

What am I saying then? That an idol is anything, or what is offered to idols is anything?
Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and of the table of demons.
Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than He?