Gosh no, blessing and cursing don't care what race anyone belongs to. Righteousness exalts a nation and sin brings reproach regardless of the skin colour of the people. The once Christian nations are coming under cursing too now that our nations are not as righteous as they used to be.
The Key to all the Parables of Jesus
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Oh yes, a long time ago, 1997 or so and was done there by 2000. And I did discern some things, thankfully by the grace of God. And He also spoke to me. It's always a case of "there but for the grace of God go I". Never heard any clucking chickens or barking dogs there though. Maybe that was happening at some spin-off places, I don't know. It did go more awry as time went on.
You keep talking to me as though I don't agree with the need for breaking. I certainly do agree with that and have done for a long time.
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Behold
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Im doing a fine job of exposing you, Episkopos.
That will continue.
Also, the only "righteousness" i have, is what i was given by God, personally.
See..."all have sinned" so right there endeth our righteousness or any pretense of it.
Your Threads and posts prove that you have not understood that, yet.
Will you ever?
Listen,
We go to God, through Christ on the Cross so that God can give us His Righteousness.....as "The Gift of Righteousness"
If this does not happen, then we will not go to Heaven.
We have to be "Made righteous" by God to have any Righteousness.
See the Cross of Christ alone = as how and why and where we find "the righteousness of God, in Christ".
You mean misrepresenting me, I think.
So goes the indoctrination.
What begineth is your claims to self-righteousness.
Of course all have sinned. You use that statement to make a righteousness of your own based on making Jesus your sacrifice. Then you say that unless others also put their sins on Jesus then they are still sinners... And you say this as you sin and then deny it.
This is wrong and unbiblical. The gift of righteousness comes from His resurrection life. It's called the justification of life. I shouldn't be telling you this as you are learning from me how to say things in a proper spiritual way...although you have no idea about what these things mean.
This is an indoctrination attempt to make heaven a place we are NOT to enter into while we yet live.
That's not biblical. There is a lower righteousness and a higher righteousness. You didn't repent so then you don't believe that is necessary. Does Jesus do your repenting too?
Again a falsehood. Pointing to crosses makes one religious not spiritual in Christ.
Behold
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I just reply to what you post.
same as usual, next time also.
Look for it.
I enjoy using/exposing your self invented theological religion to help real believers see the Cross and Their Salvation.
Everyone is Taught....
So, "teaching" is to Indoctrinate the pupil.
All Theology is learned indoctrination.... and where that gets demonic..... is when the Theology is "doctrines of Devils".
Hebrews 13:9
I've exposed a lot of yours..
Remember the "whipping Boy" Jesus, you invented = mocked?
You probably wont try that one again, on a public forum. ???
You are such a Deceiver..
Just read my last post i sent you.
I posted clearly, that i have no "righteousness" by self, as "all have sinned"......and that ends all our pretense of Righteousness.
But it hasn't ended yours.
One day tho..
One day
Listen...
I didn't "make Jesus my sacrifice'...
God made Jesus my Sacrifice by sending Him to the Cross , for my SIN, as the Will of God that Christ Obeyed. John 3:16
The Gift of Righteousness, is The Cross of Christ. The Resurrection Proves it.
Its on the CROSS that Jesus said...>"It is FINISHED"....= our Salvation... = our Righteousness.
The Resurrection is the PROOF its True.
Its the body and blood of Jesus that is the Sacrifice. This is where God paid for the "sin of the World".
The Resurrection of Christ proves its true, proves that Salvation is COMPLETED.....= that the Sacrifice for the sin of the world, has been completed.
Result :
2 Corinthians 5:19
Every person who is Born again....
= "Jesus said ... You MUST be Born again"......and water can't do that for you..
Every person who is Born again, is now "in Christ", "one with God".
So..
Where are they?
Where are they?
They are in Heaven, and that is why the born again are also, in Heaven...>"in Christ"...>"one with God"....."seated....in Heavenly Places".
That is your bizarre teaching.
Its really is very strange. I wonder who indoctrinated you into that odd Theology.
Listen,
There is only "The righteousness of God, IN CHRIST"
Christ is our Righteousness......... Its HIM...
The born again have received..... "the GIFT of Righteousness"........that is Jesus Himself......Living in the Born again.
That's the proof we have it.
"Christ IN YOU, the Hope of Glory" = is to have become "in Christ".....as..."the righteousness of God in Christ".
I thought is was your salvation you were interested in. You have to believe in the scheme for it to work. Just like you have to believe in the rapture to be raptured, right? But somehow gravity doesn't just go away by believing one is a bird.
This is wrong....although it works to get people to believe something that isn't true. So you are a victim but now a perpetrator of indoctrinating people...like the good old Communists of old.
You admit that your indoctrination turns demonic...good on you.
What you won't do is humiliate yourself and Jesus by putting on sappy videos of Jesus on the cross...suffering for your enjoyment. maybe you don't know the English language enough to understand what a "whipping boy" is?
You can claim not to have and then to have...all day. It's all empty religious posturing.
So YOU'RE the one.
Not your will as it turns out.
Not so. There is no righteousness in dead people. Unless Christ be raised you are still dead in your sins. (are you going to change your doctrinal approach now superficially so that at least it lines up with the bible?)
No. Jesus finished HIS part...not your part. You assume and presume much.
Jesus was indeed crucified and took on the sins of the world. But did He pay for all the sins of the world? Are you a universalist?
Must...for what? To be saved? No. People are born from above as a call into the higher kingdom walk. have you heard the gospel yet? Or are you simply rejecting it for a better sounding scheme?
Not so. All who are born of God have a calling on their life. To be ONE with God one must count the cost, surrender all and then MAYBE God will translate you into the kingdom life to abide IN Christ.
Only those who are translated into the kingdom realm (which you know nothing of) are "seated" with Christ.
The days have arrived where sound doctrine is seen as bizarre.
You are not understanding the high calling at all. A free sample is not the same as having something. Taking without paying makes you a thief. Look into the flying scroll in Zechariah and see if you can understand it.
Why does Jesus say He is coming as a thief in the night?
Behold
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I thought is was your salvation you were interested in.I thought is was your salvation you were interested in. You have to believe in the scheme for it to work. Just like you have to believe in the rapture to be raptured, right? But somehow gravity doesn't just go away by believing one is a bird.
I already have God's Salvation. Im "in Christ".
My interest is Teaching Pauline Theology for the benefit of real students, or Evangelism.
So you are a victim but now a perpetrator of indoctrinating people...like the good old Communists of old.
As The Gospel....I teach "Christ Crucified".... that is the "preaching of the Cross". And this "Gospel, is the "Power of God unto Salvation".
There is no other.
You admit that your indoctrination turns demonic...good on you.
I stated that i have exposed yours as Hebrews 13:9
What you won't do is humiliate yourself and Jesus by putting on sappy videos of Jesus on the cross...suffering for your enjoyment. maybe you don't know the English language enough to understand what a "whipping boy" is?
Is it Sappy?
Your opinion is your right of free will.
And what i can tell you, is that id never found as The Fool who would state the term "Whipping Boy"...= as Christ on the Cross, on any forum or from any Pulpit.
You can believe that., as thats a fact.
You can claim not to have and then to have...all day. It's all empty religious posturing.
The Gospel of the Grace of God, that is the "Cross of Christ" is "empty" to you, but its not to the Born again, who are redeemed by the Cross of Christ.
. There is no righteousness in dead people.
If you die, as born again, then you died with Eternal Life. "made righteous".
Why?
Because Jesus is Eternal life, and to be born again is to be spiritually joined to God and Christ.
That is Eternal Life.
All the born again have it..... no matter if they are breathing or not.
Jesus said..>""""if you believe in Me...I give unto you, ETERNAL LIFE", and you shall never go to Hell (Perish).""
Jesus, who is Eternal life, John 14:6. John 10:10 is inside the born again, and the born again, are "In Christ".
= Have Eternal Life.
No. Jesus finished HIS part...not your part. You assume and presume much.
His part is to give the world a chance to become "the righteousness of God in Christ", through the Cross of Christ.
Every born again person has become "in Christ" and that is to become "made righteous".
But did He pay for all the sins of the world?
1 John 2:2.
= """Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the
= whole world""
"whole world"
"whole world'
John 3:16. "for God so loved the WORLD...that He GAVE".... = Jesus on the Cross for the sin of the "whole World".
1 John 2:2
Are you a universalist?
No, Im not.
See, the Cross is offered to everyone as their Salvation, Atonement.
This Sacrifice of Jesus, that is..."the one time Eternal Sacrifice for Sin">..."God hath made Jesus....to BE SIN for us..."
See that?
Jesus has completed that Sacrifice that is Salvation, as the New Covenant, the Blood Atonement, but you have to receive it, by Faith.
Like this...
"All that BELIEVE"
"As many as BELIEVE".
"faith is counted as Righteousness" Salvation is the Universal OFFER of Redemption, .. but its not "imputed" applied to you, until you give God your Faith in Christ. = """""Justification .. BY FAITH, without works or the deeds of the Law""""".
Must...for what? To be saved? No. People are born from above as a call into the higher kingdom walk.
Salvation is Christ on the Cross., that God has offered to the world as : John 3:16
2 Corinthians 5:19
Once the person has it....(Born again) then they are to "present your body as a living sacrifice to God, that is your reasonable service".
That's Discipleship that follows Salvation.
Not so. All who are born of God have a calling on their life.
Everyone who is born again, is a minister of the Gospel.
This : 2 Corinthians 5:19. "minister of reconciliation.""""
But, that is not the same as having been "called"" into a specific ministry.
Not everyone is a "called" Pastor.
As that "call" is an anointing for that specific ministry, and there are a few others.
Only those who are translated into the kingdom realm (which you know nothing of) are "seated" with Christ.
That's all the born again.
"Born again" into the KOG.
That is how you get there.
Jesus said..>"you must be BORN AGAIN" or you can't become a part of it, as its a spiritual kingdom that requires a spiritual birth = (born again) into it.
The days have arrived where sound doctrine is seen as bizarre.
You basically mock the Sacrifice of Christ as God's gift of Righteousness, (The Cross) when you post to me.... and then imply that doing this is "sound doctrine".
. A free sample is not the same as having something.
Jesus is not a "free sample". He's not a "whipping boy".
You need to get your heart away from that disrespect.
Why does Jesus say He is coming as a thief in the night?
Because the world is so "worldly" focused, (deceived) that they dont realize what is about to happen to them from above..
2 Thessalonians 1:8
The Body of Christ wont face "the wrath to come",
However , many if not most...are not spiritually MINDFUL... They're not regarding the fact "that Jesus is about to come back".....as they are too busy to care that the "SIGNS" are everywhere if you know how to SEE them.
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ChristisGod
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That’s you epi all roads ( Hindu, Muslim , JW etc ) lead to heaven. A false gospel and christ. Buddha , Muhammad, Krishna , Zoaster followers can all go to heaven.
Waiting on him
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ChristisGod
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This is false. You have no understanding beyond your indoctrination..which has nothing to do with the biblical narrative.
The true gospel of Christ is about the power to walk as Jesus walked. It's called "grace". And it is attained through "faith". These are foreign concepts to you.
But there is more to salvation than just saints. Most here have no clue about what it takes to be a saint, anyway.
When it comes to INHERITING life, after this life, God will have mercy on whomever He wills. And to whom much is given MORE is required.
That is biblical. Your way of thinking is Pharisaical.
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ChristisGod
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Correct it is false that’s what I said and you claimed a Hindu can be saved who rejects the true God and Christ.
Many Christians reject the message of Christ even as they"point" at Him. Gandhi did the very opposite. He believed Jesus and His words rang true to him...so he followed the teachings of Christ. What he didn't do was claim to be righteous because of it. He claimed no religious benefit to obeying Christ.
So you have it backwards... as so many do.
Of course the best thing is to not only follow and obey Christ but also proclaim Him to the world both in word AND deed.
If God had to pick one...a follower in word OR a follower in deed...which would He choose?
ChristisGod
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You don’t know anything about Gandhi. I’ll quote him below :
My difficulties lay deeper. It was more than I could believe that Jesus was the only incarnate son of God, and that only he who believed in him would have everlasting life. If God could have sons, all of us were His sons. If Jesus was like God, or God Himself, then all men were like God and could be God Himself. My reason was not ready to believe literally that Jesus by his death and by his blood redeemed the sins of the world. Metaphorically there might be some truth in it. Again, according to Christianity only human beings had souls, and not other living beings, for whom death meant complete extinction; while I held a contrary belief. I could accept Jesus as a martyr, an embodiment of sacrifice, and a divine teacher, but not as the most perfect man ever born. His death on the Cross was a great example to the world, but that there was anything like a mysterious or miraculous virtue in it my heart could not accept… From the point of view of sacrifice, it seemed to me that the Hindus greatly surpassed the Christians. It was impossible for me to regard Christianity as a perfect religion or the greatest of all religions.
I shared this mental churning with my Christian friends whenever there was an opportunity, but their answers could not satisfy me
Gandhi said...I love your Christ...but not your Christians. He could see through all the religious posturing and false righteousness.
He was right about that, of course. Gandhi was far more honest and sincere than most modern believers.
But that's what you get with free samples of grace. Not the best outcome.
But the very very few who do go to God to be translated into the higher walk...now that is worth all the risk of creating a superficial understanding among the majority.
Many are called but few are chosen.
I guess you must not be familiar with Hindu asceticism then.
Unfortunately your higher walk is no different than the higher walk of practicing Hindus and Buddhists. No need for Jesus at all according to your doctrine, God will grant eternal life to all who walk in their own righteousness, so you won't even be troubled by the offense of the cross.
It honestly appears to me you've been infiltrated by some of those eastern mysticism spirits that flew into the west back in the day and infiltrated the undiscerning youth.
What I do know is that He is worthy of our fear because He is so great a King. But there is a kind of irony in that if we fear the Lord we have nothing to fear, but if we don't humbly give Him His due fear, we do.
The narrow way in Christ doesn't mean being narrow minded. You are missing the bigger picture...and are remaining blind to your true condition before God.
God allows for different colours of skin, ethnicities and even religions. This world is a testing ground for eternity.
Just as judging ALL God-fearers among the Greeks is a mistake...since some became the first Gentile Christians...so it is wrong to judge someone as unrighteous because of their ethnicity or religious affiliation. Sure some God-fearers continued to be pagans (thus allowing religious bigots to write them all off.). But God looks at the heart.
It's not so much about what we accept as doctrine...as what it is doing to us. Doing good to others is NEVER wrong. Fearing God is NEVER wrong. Receiving a righteous man as a righteous man is wise, irregardless of his doctrinal leanings. Of course that doesn't extend as far as one who blasphemes God on the holiness level. We are limited...and there are limits as to what we can accept on the level of human attitude.
The Samaritans were seen as heretics among the Jews. And Jesus got people like you in a big snit when He used a Samaritan to teach the Jews how to do the will of God. Of course because you read in the bible how things are seen...you will deny you would have done the very same thing as religious people did at that time. So you are not progressing at all in the faith.
It's like using Gandhi to explain selflessness.
And the bigots and shallow hypocrites won't see what they are doing....so focused are they on a self-righteous appraisal of their own doctrinal correctness.
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