Timtofly
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Why is that a point rather than fiction? Proof?"
Are you talking about fiction? I am not.
We know how Jesus was killed. By the way which cross in Rev 10 are you referring to?
You claimed if the word does not appear in the text it is not about "that word".
Not in any way. That old guy in ancient history could not possibly have fulfilled anything to do with ending the transgression and bringing in everlasting righteousness.
Antiochus Epiphanes is the fulfillment of the AoD mentioned in Daniel.
Yes, that is why the days were given from the time certain things happen. That is why they days were also given as months and years. Your utter confusion has no justification whatsoever.
Your denial of Antiochus Epiphanes means you don't understand Daniel.
Not true. He said when we see THE abomination Daniel prophesied.
Who is "we"? When you see it, you will be looking down from heaven.
Nor should they, why invent things they should have seen?
Are you inventing? I am not.
OK. But 27 is a doosy.
It is the 7th Trumpet. Is the 7th Trumpet a doosy?
No, who confirmed some covenant for seven years?
No one.
Not the first coming. There was some time between that and His return though of course.
From the time Messiah was cut off, until Jesus comes as King.
Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
156 BC when Antiochus Epiphanes set up the AoD mentioned in Daniel.
No, that is the time till the end so there was no 1290 days in Jesus' day that brought us to the end.
Of course. 156BC is roughly 156 years before Jesus was on the earth.
The time transgression on earth and in Israel end as well as when everlasting righteousness is brought to the world is long past the cross.
Been 1993 years.
Say what? No cross is mentioned.
Messiah cut off is the Cross.
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
That started at the Cross.
It is safe to say that the second coming is in the last days.
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
Is this the Second Coming?
Since Jesus told them to flee when they saw the abomination of desolation of course the 3 and a half years correspond.
Who is on earth after the 7th Trumpet sounds?
Jesus referred to the actual Daniel of old. What he revealed to John later fits perfectly to that.
So does Antiochus Epiphanes fit perfect with an AoD set up in the temple. John did not write about Antiochus Epiphanes. So like that, but not the same. Jesus referred to Daniel because it was already fulfilled. Those who heard that message, knew exactly what Hanukkah was. The reader of the gospel needs to look it up and understand what Hanukkah is. Jesus did not quote Maccabees, Jesus quoted Daniel, and they that heard knew Scripture had been fulfilled, and would be fulfilled again in like manner in the future.
Say what? The GWT judgment is when the 1000 years after He returns to earth are over.
Once again:
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
Is that the GWT judgment?
No one was looking forward to that at all actually. Seriously, the final judgment of the unsaved?
Once again:
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
Is that the GWT judgment? This is what Martha knew:
"Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee. Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world."
Martha knew Daniel and the last day resurrection. Did Lazarus rise again in the resurrection at the last day? Was Lazarus the first to come out of the dust? Was Lazarus the first to be called out of his grave?
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
Sound familiar?
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
You inserted a trumpet none is mentioned in Rev 12. Why?
No Trumpet inserted. Satan was inserted into the events of the 12th chapter, during the 7th Trumpet.
"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever..... And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven.... And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads."
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."
All part of the 7th Trumpet sounding.
Revelation 10:5-7
"And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."
Is Daniel 9:24 about a set time period of 70 weeks? Is that time up at the 7th Trumpet?
Anyhow you seem to be disconnected from Scripture and we have nothing in common to discuss.
I only discuss Scripture so you must be the one disconnected having nothing in common with Scripture.