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But that's Calvinism.

No its Paul.

"God hath made Jesus to BE SIN...for us"... because "Jesus is the ONE TIME>....ETERNAL....sacrifice for Sin".

"being NOW ....made free.................from sin".....

Paui wrote all that, not Calvin.

Calvin took from the NT what fit his insane Cross limiting theology that is "pre-destined elect".... = Hellish nonsense.
 
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If we refuse to forgive our brethren those little trespasses God won't forgive us.

That is Jesus talking to Jews, under the Law, in Matthew 5......Before the Cross of Christ was raised for the sin of the World.

I have good news for you.....

22 Chapters later, Christ died for the sin of the world, and if you are born again, you stay born again as God didnt save you because you forgave everyone first.
 
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The cleansing blood is only past because that is all that is necessary. When He takes away the DESIRE TO SIN, because he cleanses our sin nature to be sinless, there is not present of future willful sinning anymore. If you think there is then it is you that doesn't know the power of the Cross.
Just a correction-

Unbelievers sin willfully and living in a STATE of sin, believers however, do commit ACTS of missing the mark, in word, thought and deed, not willfully-and not living in a state of sinning.

Php 3:12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.

Php 3:13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,

Php 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

Php 3:15 Let those of us who are
mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you.

Php 3:16 Only let us hold true to what we have attained.

Php 3:17 Brothers, join in imitating me, and keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us.


I have already obtained (ēdē elabon). Rather, “I did already obtain,” constative second aorist active indicative of lambanō, summing up all his previous experiences as a single event.
Or am already made perfect (ē ēdē teteleiōmai). Perfect passive indicative (state of completion) of teleioō, old verb from teleios and that from telos (end). Paul pointedly denies that he has reached a spiritual impasse of non- development. Certainly he knew nothing of so-called sudden absolute perfection by any single experience. Paul has made great progress in Christlikeness, but the goal is still before him, not behind him.


But I press on (diōkō de). He is not discouraged, but encouraged. He keeps up the chase (real idea in diōkō, as in 1Co_14:1; Rom_9:30; 1Ti_6:11).

If so be that (ei kai). “I follow after.” The condition (third class, ei̇̇katalabō, second aorist active subjunctive of katalambanō) is really a sort of purpose clause or aim. There are plenty of examples in the Koiné[28928]š of the use of ei and the subjunctive as here (Robertson, Grammar, p. 1017), “if I also may lay hold of that for which (Ephesians' hōi, purpose expressed by epi) I was laid hold of (katelēmphthēn, first aorist passive of the same verb katalambanō) by Christ Jesus.” His conversion was the beginning, not the end of the chase.
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Transliteration: elabon
Morphology: V-AIA-1S
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 1st Person Singular
Strong's no.: G2983 (λαμβάνω)
Meaning: (a) to receive, get, (b) to take, lay hold of.

Transliteration: teteleiōmai
Morphology: V-RIM/P-1S
Verb - Perfect Indicative Middle or Passive - 1st Person Singular
Strong's no.: G5048 (τελειόω)
Meaning: (a) as a course, a race, or the like: to complete, finish (b) as of time or prediction: to accomplish, (c) to make perfect; pass: to be perfected.

3:12 "Not that I have already obtained it" Paul lived in the tension of the present but not yet consummated Kingdom of God. He knew Christ, he knew who he was in Christ, he knew he was accepted by Christ but he struggled with Christlike living (cf. Romans 7). Paul had arrived but had not fully arrived; he was complete but not fully complete.


Some ancient Greek manuscripts, P46, D*, and G, add "or have been righteous." This addition is also found in the Greek texts used by Irenaeus and Ambrosiaster. However, the shorter text is supported by MSS P61, א , A, B, Dc, K, and P as well as the ancient translations, the Vulgate, the Syrian, and the Coptic.

NASB, TEV"or have already become perfect"
NKJV"or am already perfected"
NRSV"or have already reached the goal"
NJB"nor yet reached my goal"

This is a perfect passive indicative with the implication that something happened in the past which has become a settled state and this was accomplished by God. The term itself meant

1. fully developed

2. fully equipped

3. complete

4. mature

5. adequate

It did not have the English connotation of perfection or sinlessness.


Guess you have superseded Paul-in that you have ALREADY obtained and ALREADY perfect-no need for the outworking of sanctification-no need in running this race, since you have "arrived"
Paul said he did not reach teteleiomai yet-you say you did. And please note the Perfect Tense in this verse.


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Php 3:12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect,

Read vs 11.

It is talking about the resurrection from the dead. And that is when we are "conformed into the image of Christ' and have our new body.

That is our PERFECTION.

So, that is the PERFECTION that Paul does not have yet, because Hes not DEAD YET.

He is not talking about being a sinner or being sometimes a failed disciple.

How do you know?

Because of verse 11...

and also....and because Paul said..."as many as Be perfect", and that is the born again down here..
And Paul said... "Christ always Gives me the Victory"........over the world, the flesh, and the Devil.

So, He said "ALWAYS"... gives me the Victory, and that is "continually"
 
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Read vs 11.

It is talking about the resurrection from the dead. And that is when we are "conformed into the image of Christ' and have our new body.

That is our PERFECTION.

So, that is the PERFECTION that Paul does not have yet, because Hes not DEAD YET.

He is not talking about being a sinner or being sometimes a failed disciple.

How do you know?

Because of verse 11...

and also....and because Paul said..."as many as Be perfect", and that is the born again down here..
And Paul said... "Christ always Gives me the Victory"........over the world, the flesh, and the Devil.

So, He said "ALWAYS"... gives me the Victory, and that is "continually"
I beg to differ on your interpretation-no offense.
2:08 AM now-tired.
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I beg to differ on your interpretation-no offense.
2:08 AM now-tired.
Johann`20`.

`Philippians 3:11

""""" that by any means possible I may attain = the resurrection from the dead."""""


Philippians 3:12

"""""Not that I have already obtained all this""" Attained what? vs 11, "the resurrection from the dead""

So what does He keep doing???



Philippians 3:13

"""""But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead,""""



And what is ahead ????

= Its the PRIZE.. and that is verse 11. = as when you are resurrected from the DEAD you get the New Body and are conformed into the image of Christ.

Paul is explaining in vs 11-13, that He is heading, .. pressing toward the high calling that is the resurrection, and what will happen afterwards .... and Paul has not attained it yet.

He is teaching that He has His mind, his focus, his full effort to get there, hes pressing toward this High Calling... as this is His goal, desire, etc.
 
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I agree regarding the first covenant, but if we couldn't keep the old covenant laws, how are we going to keep new ones?
Truth is maam, we don't. Every single human alive sins every day, but I will say this, the new covenant is easier. Another thing to consider is, none of us have to commit a serious sin, sins like those found at 1 Cor 6:9,10 as Jehovah always provides a way out, if you choose to take it. 1 Cor 10:13 Although I have not always taken that way out, I have seen it provided to me every time I committed a serious sin. Have you observed God making the way out for you as well maam?
 

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That is Jesus talking to Jews, under the Law, in Matthew 5......Before the Cross of Christ was raised for the sin of the World.

I have good news for you.....

22 Chapters later, Christ died for the sin of the world, and if you are born again, you stay born again as God didnt save you because you forgave everyone first.
Of course He was preaching to Jews. They were the ones to first receive the gospel! But Jesus was not preaching Old Covenant commandments, but the deeper laws that will surpass them that we will do naturally by the Spirit in the New Covenant to be truly righteous. Not some righteousness that covers us while we continue to be unrighteous. The Old Covenant laws were merely surface laws, but nothing of the heart except coveting to show them they were still sinners, like Paul did in Romans 7. Jesus preached to believe in Him and to love one another, to not even hate or lust, whereas the commandments were the actions of murder and adultery.
 

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but the deeper laws that will surpass them that we will do naturally by the Spirit in the New Covenant to be truly righteous. Not some righteousness that covers us while we continue to be unrighteous.

You are never righteous of yourself by doing anything.
Never.
Not before you are saved, or after you are born again.

Episkopos preaches that gospel of : = self righteous doing is to be righteous.

See, the same doing, that you now believe is righteous doing, these works... are the same thing you can do as an unbeliever, hellbourd.

WORK are nothing more, then works.
WORK are not righteousness.

JESUS is Righteousness, and we are made righteousness by having our SIN dealt with, that then allows God to spiritually join himself to US...."In Christ'.

And right there is the ONLY RIGHTEOUSNESS we will ever have.... and that is not of yourself, 1stCenturyLady.
 

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Truth is maam, we don't. Every single human alive sins every day, but I will say this, the new covenant is easier. Another thing to consider is, none of us have to commit a serious sin, sins like those found at 1 Cor 6:9,10 as Jehovah always provides a way out, if you choose to take it. 1 Cor 10:13 Although I have not always taken that way out, I have seen it provided to me every time I committed a serious sin. Have you observed God making the way out for you as well maam?
Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our Faith. Are you saying then that Jesus is the author of sin? Is that hopelessness what your denomination teaches you?

Jesus left earth so that He could send back His Spirit - the Holy Spirit - to dwell inside of those who repent of their sins. What are you taught about the Holy Spirit and His power. The Old Covenant was the ministry of death. The New Covenant is the MINISTRY OF THE SPIRIT. 2 Cor. 3:6-11 or 12.
 

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You are never righteous of yourself by doing anything.
Never.
Not before you are saved, or after you are born again.

I know. Mankind can do nothing of themselves since Adam sinned.

That is why Jesus came, died on the cross to defeat Satan's influence on us to sin, 1 John 3:8-9 BUT ROSE AGAIN to return to heaven and SEND BACK HIS HOLY SPIRIT so we too could repent (die) and be filled with His Spirit (born again resurrected) to be raised up now to live naturally in righteousness NOW.

No works of human willpower, but "works" or living we do as naturally with our new nature as breathing by the Spirit. Those who still believe sinlessness requires works, reckon themselves to be sinners and WILL SIN.

All we have to do who are actually born again and walking in the Spirit is relax and do as our new cleansed nature or conscience (where the Spirit lives) directs us to do. That is NOT works of grunting and groaning against our sin nature. That old nature is dead. It is living raised up in the life of the Spirit (Romans 8:2).
 
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Just a correction-

Unbelievers sin willfully and living in a STATE of sin, believers however, do commit ACTS of missing the mark, in word, thought and deed, not willfully-and not living in a state of sinning.

Php 3:12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.

Php 3:13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,

Php 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

Php 3:15 Let those of us who are
mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you.

Php 3:16 Only let us hold true to what we have attained.

Php 3:17 Brothers, join in imitating me, and keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us.


I have already obtained (ēdē elabon). Rather, “I did already obtain,” constative second aorist active indicative of lambanō, summing up all his previous experiences as a single event.
Or am already made perfect (ē ēdē teteleiōmai). Perfect passive indicative (state of completion) of teleioō, old verb from teleios and that from telos (end). Paul pointedly denies that he has reached a spiritual impasse of non- development. Certainly he knew nothing of so-called sudden absolute perfection by any single experience. Paul has made great progress in Christlikeness, but the goal is still before him, not behind him.


But I press on (diōkō de). He is not discouraged, but encouraged. He keeps up the chase (real idea in diōkō, as in 1Co_14:1; Rom_9:30; 1Ti_6:11).

If so be that (ei kai). “I follow after.” The condition (third class, ei̇̇katalabō, second aorist active subjunctive of katalambanō) is really a sort of purpose clause or aim. There are plenty of examples in the Koiné[28928]š of the use of ei and the subjunctive as here (Robertson, Grammar, p. 1017), “if I also may lay hold of that for which (Ephesians' hōi, purpose expressed by epi) I was laid hold of (katelēmphthēn, first aorist passive of the same verb katalambanō) by Christ Jesus.” His conversion was the beginning, not the end of the chase.
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Transliteration: elabon
Morphology: V-AIA-1S
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 1st Person Singular
Strong's no.: G2983 (λαμβάνω)
Meaning: (a) to receive, get, (b) to take, lay hold of.

Transliteration: teteleiōmai
Morphology: V-RIM/P-1S
Verb - Perfect Indicative Middle or Passive - 1st Person Singular
Strong's no.: G5048 (τελειόω)
Meaning: (a) as a course, a race, or the like: to complete, finish (b) as of time or prediction: to accomplish, (c) to make perfect; pass: to be perfected.

3:12 "Not that I have already obtained it" Paul lived in the tension of the present but not yet consummated Kingdom of God. He knew Christ, he knew who he was in Christ, he knew he was accepted by Christ but he struggled with Christlike living (cf. Romans 7). Paul had arrived but had not fully arrived; he was complete but not fully complete.


Some ancient Greek manuscripts, P46, D*, and G, add "or have been righteous." This addition is also found in the Greek texts used by Irenaeus and Ambrosiaster. However, the shorter text is supported by MSS P61, א , A, B, Dc, K, and P as well as the ancient translations, the Vulgate, the Syrian, and the Coptic.

NASB, TEV"or have already become perfect"
NKJV"or am already perfected"
NRSV"or have already reached the goal"
NJB"nor yet reached my goal"

This is a perfect passive indicative with the implication that something happened in the past which has become a settled state and this was accomplished by God. The term itself meant

1. fully developed

2. fully equipped

3. complete

4. mature

5. adequate


It did not have the English connotation of perfection or sinlessness.


Guess you have superseded Paul-in that you have ALREADY obtained and ALREADY perfect-no need for the outworking of sanctification-no need in running this race, since you have "arrived"
Paul said he did not reach teteleiomai yet-you say you did. And please note the Perfect Tense in this verse.


Johann.
Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our Faith. He is not the author of sin. Read below,

Truth is maam, we don't. Every single human alive sins every day, but I will say this, the new covenant is easier. Another thing to consider is, none of us have to commit a serious sin, sins like those found at 1 Cor 6:9,10 as Jehovah always provides a way out, if you choose to take it. 1 Cor 10:13 Although I have not always taken that way out, I have seen it provided to me every time I committed a serious sin. Have you observed God making the way out for you as well maam?
What do you consider a "serious" sin?


@Johann and @Robert Gwin

Look at Romans 1:16-17 and 1 John 5:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

In 1 John 3:4-5 is shows the type of sin that Jesus first takes away in the first level of faith as the Author of our Faith.

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.

Lawlessness are sins unto death.

This first level of Faith that Jesus takes out of our nature to never commit or even think to do are sins unto death, taking us from death to LIFE. We are saved, but like Paul not PERFECT (to Johann). So what takes us to perfection?

The next levels of our Faith to perfection. The maturing of each fruit of the Spirit. We find that progression of faiths in 2 Peter 1:5-7

2 Peter 1:5-7
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control [a]perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.

Peter also tells us if we mature all those fruit of the Spirit we will never stumble. Meaning we are perfect which Paul did achieve.

2 Peter 1:10-11 and 2 Timothy 4:6-8

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things (maturing the fruit of the Spirit in 5-7) you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Jesus is the pruner in John 15.

7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race (matured in all fruit of the Spirit), Jesus is also the FINISHER OF OUR FAITH I have kept the faith (all the levels of Faith) 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.
 
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That is why Jesus came, died on the cross to defeat Satan's influence on us to sin, 1 John 3:8-9 BUT ROSE AGAIN to return to heaven and SEND BACK HIS HOLY SPIRIT so we too could repent (die) and be filled with His Spirit (born again resurrected) to be raised up now to live naturally in righteousness NOW.
You are in need of correction, sinless one-

Doeth no sin (hamartian ou poiei). Linear present active indicative as in 1Jn_3:4 like hamartanei in 1Jn_3:8. The child of God does not have the habit of sin.
His seed (sperma autou). God’s seed, “the divine principle of life” (Vincent). Cf. John 1.
And he cannot sin (kai ou dunatai hamartanein). This is a wrong translation, for this English naturally means “and he cannot commit sin” as if it were kai ou dunatai hamartein or hamartēsai (second aorist or first aorist active infinitive). The present active infinitive hamartanein can only mean “and he cannot go on sinning,” as is true of hamartanei in 1Jn_3:8 and hamartanōn in 1Jn_3:6.

For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see hamartēte and hamartēi in 1Jn_2:1. A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of hamartanein here. Paul has precisely John’s idea in Rom_6:1 epimenōmen tēi hamartiāi (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with hamartēsōmen in Rom_6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive).
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1Jn 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1Jn 1:6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

1Jn 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


ἘὰνIf εἴπωμενwe should say
If we should say
If we say
ὅτιthat ἁμαρτίανsin οὐκnot ἔχομενwe have,
that we have no sin,
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ἑαυτοὺςourselves πλανῶμενwe deceive,
we deceive ourselves,

καὶand ἡthe ἀλήθειαtruth οὐκnot ἔστινis ἐνin ἡμῖνus.
and the truth is not in us.


9 ἐὰν ὁμολογῶμεν τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἡμῶν, πιστός ἐστιν καὶ δίκαιος, ἵνα ἀφῇ ἡμῖν τὰς ἁμαρτίας καὶ καθαρίσῃ ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ πάσης ἀδικίας.

IT ἐὰν If ὁμολογῶμενwe should confess τὰς the ἁμαρτίας sins ἡμῶν of us,
LT If we should confess our - sins,
ST If we confess our - sins,
ὁμολογῶμεν [homologōmen / omologomen]
Lexeme: ὁμολογέω  Analytical Lexicon
Morphology code: V-PAS-1P
Morphology: Verb, Present, Active, Subjunctive, first, Plural

Gloss Interlinear Translation
to confess/profess we should confess we confess

G3670 Concordance [Book] Concordance [Morphology]
TBESG: ὁμολογέω
Mounce: ὁμολογέω
BDAG: ὁμολογέω
EDNT: ὁμολογέω
Strong: G3670
GK: G3933
LN: 33.275
Tyndale Amalgamated NT Tagged texts
BIMNRSTWH: ὁμολογῶμεν
G3670 [to confess/profess]
V-PAS-1P: Verb, Present, Active, Subjunctive, first, Plural

OpenText Linguistic Annotation - Word Level
function: head
lemma: ὁμολογέω
pos: finite
voice: active
mood: subjunctive
number: plural
domains: 33
subdomains: 33.274 33.275 33.221
tense: present
person: first


The sins of believers are equally sins with other persons, are of the same kind and nature, and equally transgressions of the law, and many of them are attended with more aggravating circumstances, and are taken notice of by God, and resented by him, and for which he chastises his people in love: now though a believer may say that he has not this or that particular sin, or is not guilty of this or that sin, for he has the seeds of all sin in him, yet he cannot say he has no sin; and though he may truly say he shall have no sin, for in the other state the being and principle of sin will be removed, and the saints will be perfectly holy in themselves, yet he cannot, in this present life, say that he is without it: if any of us who profess to be cleansed from sin by the blood of Christ should affirm this,
we deceive ourselves; such persons must be ignorant of themselves, and put a cheat upon themselves, thinking themselves to be something when they are nothing; flattering themselves what pure and holy creatures they are, when there is a fountain of sin and wickedness in them; these are self-deceptions, sad delusions, and gross impositions upon themselves:

and the truth is not in us; it is a plain case the truth of grace is not in such persons, for if there was a real work of God upon their souls, they would know and discern the plague of their own hearts, the impurity of their nature, and the imperfection of their obedience; nor is the word of truth in them, for if that had an entrance into them, and worked effectually in them, they would in the light of it discover much sin and iniquity in them; and indeed there is no principle of truth, no veracity in them; there is no sincerity nor ingenuity in them; they do not speak honestly and uprightly, but contrary to the dictates of their own conscience.
Gill

Never a truer saying than this-Does it mean the believer can commit an act of sin, yes!

A whole lot of "sinning" today on this public Forum.
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You are in need of correction, sinless one-

Doeth no sin (hamartian ou poiei). Linear present active indicative as in 1Jn_3:4 like hamartanei in 1Jn_3:8. The child of God does not have the habit of sin.
His seed (sperma autou). God’s seed, “the divine principle of life” (Vincent). Cf. John 1.
And he cannot sin (kai ou dunatai hamartanein). This is a wrong translation, for this English naturally means “and he cannot commit sin” as if it were kai ou dunatai hamartein or hamartēsai (second aorist or first aorist active infinitive). The present active infinitive hamartanein can only mean “and he cannot go on sinning,” as is true of hamartanei in 1Jn_3:8 and hamartanōn in 1Jn_3:6.

For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see hamartēte and hamartēi in 1Jn_2:1. A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of hamartanein here. Paul has precisely John’s idea in Rom_6:1 epimenōmen tēi hamartiāi (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with hamartēsōmen in Rom_6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive).
RWS
1Jn 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1Jn 1:6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

1Jn 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


ἘὰνIf εἴπωμενwe should say
If we should say
If we say
ὅτιthat ἁμαρτίανsin οὐκnot ἔχομενwe have,
that we have no sin,
-
ἑαυτοὺςourselves πλανῶμενwe deceive,
we deceive ourselves,

καὶand ἡthe ἀλήθειαtruth οὐκnot ἔστινis ἐνin ἡμῖνus.
and the truth is not in us.


9 ἐὰν ὁμολογῶμεν τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἡμῶν, πιστός ἐστιν καὶ δίκαιος, ἵνα ἀφῇ ἡμῖν τὰς ἁμαρτίας καὶ καθαρίσῃ ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ πάσης ἀδικίας.

IT ἐὰν If ὁμολογῶμενwe should confess τὰς the ἁμαρτίας sins ἡμῶν of us,
LT If we should confess our - sins,
ST If we confess our - sins,
ὁμολογῶμεν [homologōmen / omologomen]
Lexeme: ὁμολογέω  Analytical Lexicon
Morphology code: V-PAS-1P
Morphology: Verb, Present, Active, Subjunctive, first, Plural

Gloss Interlinear Translation
to confess/profess we should confess we confess

G3670 Concordance [Book] Concordance [Morphology]
TBESG: ὁμολογέω
Mounce: ὁμολογέω
BDAG: ὁμολογέω
EDNT: ὁμολογέω
Strong: G3670
GK: G3933
LN: 33.275
Tyndale Amalgamated NT Tagged texts
BIMNRSTWH: ὁμολογῶμεν
G3670 [to confess/profess]
V-PAS-1P: Verb, Present, Active, Subjunctive, first, Plural

OpenText Linguistic Annotation - Word Level
function: head
lemma: ὁμολογέω
pos: finite
voice: active
mood: subjunctive
number: plural
domains: 33
subdomains: 33.274 33.275 33.221
tense: present
person: first


The sins of believers are equally sins with other persons, are of the same kind and nature, and equally transgressions of the law, and many of them are attended with more aggravating circumstances, and are taken notice of by God, and resented by him, and for which he chastises his people in love: now though a believer may say that he has not this or that particular sin, or is not guilty of this or that sin, for he has the seeds of all sin in him, yet he cannot say he has no sin; and though he may truly say he shall have no sin, for in the other state the being and principle of sin will be removed, and the saints will be perfectly holy in themselves, yet he cannot, in this present life, say that he is without it: if any of us who profess to be cleansed from sin by the blood of Christ should affirm this,
we deceive ourselves; such persons must be ignorant of themselves, and put a cheat upon themselves, thinking themselves to be something when they are nothing; flattering themselves what pure and holy creatures they are, when there is a fountain of sin and wickedness in them; these are self-deceptions, sad delusions, and gross impositions upon themselves:

and the truth is not in us; it is a plain case the truth of grace is not in such persons, for if there was a real work of God upon their souls, they would know and discern the plague of their own hearts, the impurity of their nature, and the imperfection of their obedience; nor is the word of truth in them, for if that had an entrance into them, and worked effectually in them, they would in the light of it discover much sin and iniquity in them; and indeed there is no principle of truth, no veracity in them; there is no sincerity nor ingenuity in them; they do not speak honestly and uprightly, but contrary to the dictates of their own conscience.
Gill

Never a truer saying than this-Does it mean the believer can commit an act of sin, yes!

A whole lot of "sinning" today on this public Forum.
Johann.
You didn't hightlight 1 John 1:6 in red. Is that a Christian?
 
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