Circumcision Without Hands

[Robert Gwin]

Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our Faith. Are you saying then that Jesus is the author of sin? Is that hopelessness what your denomination teaches you?

Jesus left earth so that He could send back His Spirit - the Holy Spirit - to dwell inside of those who repent of their sins. What are you taught about the Holy Spirit and His power. The Old Covenant was the ministry of death. The New Covenant is the MINISTRY OF THE SPIRIT. 2 Cor. 3:6-11 or 12.

We believe God is the author maam.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our Faith. He is not the author of sin. Read below,


What do you consider a "serious" sin?


@Johann and @Robert Gwin

Look at Romans 1:16-17 and 1 John 5:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

In 1 John 3:4-5 is shows the type of sin that Jesus first takes away in the first level of faith as the Author of our Faith.

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.

Lawlessness are sins unto death.

This first level of Faith that Jesus takes out of our nature to never commit or even think to do are sins unto death, taking us from death to LIFE. We are saved, but like Paul not PERFECT (to Johann). So what takes us to perfection?

The next levels of our Faith to perfection. The maturing of each fruit of the Spirit. We find that progression of faiths in 2 Peter 1:5-7

2 Peter 1:5-7
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control [a]perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.

Peter also tells us if we mature all those fruit of the Spirit we will never stumble. Meaning we are perfect which Paul did achieve.

2 Peter 1:10-11 and 2 Timothy 4:6-8

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things (maturing the fruit of the Spirit in 5-7) you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Jesus is the pruner in John 15.

7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race (matured in all fruit of the Spirit), Jesus is also the FINISHER OF OUR FAITH I have kept the faith (all the levels of Faith) 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.

What do you consider a "serious" sin?

The ones I included in my post maam 1 Cor 6:9,10. I think not inheriting the Kingdom is quite serious, don't you?

 

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Subject heading:- Circumcision Without Hands​

'... but he is a Jew who is one inwardly,
and circumcision is of the heart;
in spirit and not in letter;
whose praise is not from men,
but from God. ... '
(Rom 2:29)

' ... For we are the circumcision
who worship God in the spirit
and rejoice in Christ Jesus
and have no confidence in the flesh; ... '
(Php 3:3)

' ... And you are complete in Him,
Who is the Head of all principality and power,
in Whom also you are circumcised
with the circumcision made without hands,
in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh
by the circumcision of Christ, ... '
(Col 2:10-11)

Praise God!

:)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

What is cut off of a Christian that can't grow back when we are born again that makes us a new creature?
1. Condemnation
2. The Law
3. The desire to sin
4. Satan's ability to touch us
5. Satan's influence to sin
6. Temptation
7. The need to repent
8. Nothing

Good question. To me what is cut off, removed is the veil —the foreskin of the heart, mind, to open eyes, to unstop open hearing … love
Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

Could be said the old man of corruption is cut off (but that old man of sin goes with and when the vail is removed in Christ), he that works iniquity(cut off with the vail Christ come to remove) by and through the circumcision of Christ (the putting off of sin by the body of Christ) which is the circumcision made without hands. Or the sword enters in and divides, cutting, separating that which was before from that which is born (after)New again like a New Born cries and takes the first gasp of breath and they are cleaned off, washed, the gagging mucus sucked out from their mouth so they can cry that first cry, all the remnants of the birth canal cut and the umbilical cord removed which fed the child its nutrient’s from its mother. Much like the world was the umbilical cord that supplied nutrients, the cut of disconnection of the umbilical cord severing from the world of lust of the eyes, the pride of life…where God becomes the ever flowing nutrients and food and drink of the New Creature born unto Him. Could say Condemnation goes with the cord.
2. The Law (way of the world, but not the Law of God) which becomes a constant supply of feeding the child good things from His Spirit, enrichment, growth, strengthening bones and marrow and stature …not just with milk but getting the child of God ready for meat.(to withstand, the stomach or “appetite” to digest the meat Christ spoke of.
3. The desire to sin (gone with the severing of the umbilical cord?)
4. Satan's ability to touch us (gone also with the cord?) (all things working together for the good of those who love Him)
5. Satan's influence to sin (gone also with the removing of the cord, the cleaning off, washing off of the remnants of the birth canal.) (not in the wisdom that the world teaches, but the Wisdom which comes from above and of God…The Father.)
6. Temptation (God can not be tempted, nor does He tempt)
7. The need to repent. If the vail or covering cast over all the nations of the world is removed then would this seeing and hearing clearly and plainly promote disagreement with God? Would a child ignore its Fathers correction and not come into agreement with its Father, and Its Fathers Nature? Being brought into remembrance of being given a New Nature …would a child or nestling be content pretending to be another Nature than that of its Father?
8. Nothing. How can nothing happen…just look at Paul. Big difference in Saul and Paul: Worlds Apart. Worlds (one world ends, one World does not) “Apart”: “cut” “separated from” “taken out from” “removed from” Paul received nutrients from above, where Saul had received nutrients from beneath… consider “when the time came God separated me from my mothers womb”…

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Could be said the old man of corruption is cut off (but that old man of sin goes with and when the vail is removed in Christ), he that works iniquity(cut off with the vail Christ come to remove) by and through the circumcision of Christ (the putting off of sin by the body of Christ) which is the circumcision made without hands.

Yet the vail remains …so what of God will destroy the face of covering cast over all nations, the vail covering all the nations…when over some the vail remains to this day? …not yet destroyed—removed by the circumcision of Christ -the covering cast over remains unto now?

2 Corinthians 3:3-18 speaks a lot of what is removed in the circumcision of Christ, the circumcision made without hands: one a stone removed and rolled away…as Lazarus was called out of the grave and Christ said “removed his Binding and the blindfold from his eyes….a stone has to be removed, rolled away by God the Father or it still remains “dead”in the grave blindfolded …this is shown in the parable of the ground. The stony ground and the seed sown upon it. Yet there is a ground that has been cultivated to receive seed.

Forasmuch as you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ (seed) ministered by us, written not with ink, but (sown) with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables(broken soil) of the heart. [4] And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: [5] Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; [6] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. [7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: [8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? [9] For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. [10] For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. [11] For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. [12] Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: [13] And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: [14] But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away(the covering cast over the nations is destroyed in Christ). [17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. [18] But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

Compare:
For even that which was made glorious had not glory in the respect,
By reason of the glory that excels.
Romans 8:20-21 For the creature was made subject to vanity(which had no glory in this respect), not willingly, but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope(the Glory that excels),
…we can say just because a phrase or word is used doesn’t link verses. But is it random that Romans 8 drives home what is “the Glorious Liberty?” In Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
…shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption —in subjection to vanity —all things put in subjection to Christ. …shall be delivered unto the “glorious liberty of the children of God” …what a promise, what a blessing, what a Glorious hope not in subjection to vanity but being made in subjection to the Hope in Christ. 2 Corinthians 3:16-18 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. [17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is (Glorious that excels) liberty. [18] But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

We forget all things shall and will be made subject to Him. We are told this over and over …not a little but all things delivered out from the bondage of corruption unto(into) the Glorious Liberty (Spirit) of the Children of God. 1 Corinthians 3:21-23 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; [22] Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; [23] And you are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
All things life or death, things present or things to come…all things belong to Christ. Death. Life. Things present. Things to come.
If we have a problem with that maybe we need to rethink our theology. Because it is vanity to boast otherwise (cursing the birth pangs growing strong) …as if the Hope in Christ excels not where the creature wails to be delivered out of the bondage of corruption into Christ.

Things still remaining dead in the grave, and the things come out of the grave Alive…All things belong to Him.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Your third error-The Reformers "produced" a license to sin?!
It is very apparent you don't know Church history since you would not have made this statement.
Now that I know you hold to the doctrines of Wesley and "second grace" there is nothing further to discuss.
Shalom
Johann.

Read this letter by Martin Luther: Sounds like a license to sin to me!

Martin Luther "Sin boldly"):
"If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that through God’s glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. Do you think such an exalted Lamb paid merely a small price with a meager sacrifice for our sins? Pray hard, for you are quite a sinner."

 

[1stCenturyLady]

We believe God is the author maam.

Jesus is God, as He is the embodiment of the Godhead.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The ones I included in my post maam 1 Cor 6:9,10. I think not inheriting the Kingdom is quite serious, don't you?

There is also a list in Galatians 5:19-21. Have you read them. I don't commit them either, but it is only because of the Holy Spirit indwelling me that I have no desire to.

 

[Johann]

Read this letter by Martin Luther:

Martin Luther "Sin boldly"):
"If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that through God’s glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. Do you think such an exalted Lamb paid merely a small price with a meager sacrifice for our sins? Pray hard, for you are quite a sinner."

I have already answered your questions-biblically.
But you have a preconceived mindset-settled in your opinions and ideologies, and convictions.

Present, Active, Subjunctive-Praise God for His word.

I am more than willing to assist you and share with you the Scriptures, that's if you wish.
An aside-I am not a Lutheran or agree with the excerpt you've posted.
Johann.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Good question. To me what is cut off, removed is the veil —the foreskin of the heart, mind, to open eyes, to unstop open hearing … love
Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

Could be said the old man of corruption is cut off (but that old man of sin goes with and when the vail is removed in Christ), he that works iniquity(cut off with the vail Christ come to remove) by and through the circumcision of Christ (the putting off of sin by the body of Christ) which is the circumcision made without hands. Or the sword enters in and divides, cutting, separating that which was before from that which is born (after)New again like a New Born cries and takes the first gasp of breath and they are cleaned off, washed, the gagging mucus sucked out from their mouth so they can cry that first cry, all the remnants of the birth canal cut and the umbilical cord removed which fed the child its nutrient’s from its mother. Much like the world was the umbilical cord that supplied nutrients, the cut of disconnection of the umbilical cord severing from the world of lust of the eyes, the pride of life…where God becomes the ever flowing nutrients and food and drink of the New Creature born unto Him. Could say Condemnation goes with the cord.
2. The Law (way of the world, but not the Law of God) which becomes a constant supply of feeding the child good things from His Spirit, enrichment, growth, strengthening bones and marrow and stature …not just with milk but getting the child of God ready for meat.(to withstand, the stomach or “appetite” to digest the meat Christ spoke of.
3. The desire to sin (gone with the severing of the umbilical cord?)
4. Satan's ability to touch us (gone also with the cord?) (all things working together for the good of those who love Him)
5. Satan's influence to sin (gone also with the removing of the cord, the cleaning off, washing off of the remnants of the birth canal.) (not in the wisdom that the world teaches, but the Wisdom which comes from above and of God…The Father.)
6. Temptation (God can not be tempted, nor does He tempt)
7. The need to repent. If the vail or covering cast over all the nations of the world is removed then would this seeing and hearing clearly and plainly promote disagreement with God? Would a child ignore its Fathers correction and not come into agreement with its Father, and Its Fathers Nature? Being brought into remembrance of being given a New Nature …would a child or nestling be content pretending to be another Nature than that of its Father?
8. Nothing. How can nothing happen…just look at Paul. Big difference in Saul and Paul: Worlds Apart. Worlds (one world ends, one World does not) “Apart”: “cut” “separated from” “taken out from” “removed from” Paul received nutrients from above, where Saul had received nutrients from beneath… consider “when the time came God separated me from my mothers womb”…

Good answers, and correct, but instead of umbilical cord which is not in the Bible, you might want to change you definition to foreskin which is what the circumcision without hands is all about. Also, though the Law it is true brings us to Christ, the born again are not under the Law, but under the deeper laws of the Spirit that lead to perfection. The OT Law doesn't.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I have already answered your questions-biblically.
But you have a preconceived mindset-settled in your opinions and ideologies, and convictions.

Present, Active, Subjunctive-Praise God for His word.

I am more than willing to assist you and share with you the Scriptures, that's if you wish.
An aside-I am not a Lutheran or agree with the excerpt you've posted.
Johann.

I'm glad. Are you Calvinist or something else?

 

[Johann]

I'm glad. Are you Calvinist or something else?

I fell into that snare a couple years ago, but praise God for His mercy and loving kindness and discernment-discerning error from truth, so no, I am not a Calvinist.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

I guess you can call me a Baptist minister @1stCenturyLady with Matt 25 and James as my blueprint in putting the word of God into daily practice.

Shalom
Johann.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I fell into that snare a couple years ago, but praise God for His mercy and loving kindness and discernment-discerning error from truth, so no, I am not a Calvinist.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

I guess you can call me a Baptist minister @1stCenturyLady with Matt 25 and James as my blueprint in putting the word of God into daily practice.

Shalom
Johann.

So not a "reformed" Baptist? Then you are a free-will Baptist?

 

[Johann]

So not a "reformed" Baptist? Then you are a free-will Baptist?

Cut to the chase-what is it you are looking for?
Is @Behold not your rabbi/teacher?
Johann.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Cut to the chase-what is it you are looking for?
Is @Behold not your rabbi/teacher?
Johann.

Behold is not my teacher.

We are similar, but not the same. Basically we try to correct each other. LOL

As far as you, I just need to know your background. There is a big difference between reformed Baptist and Free will Baptist. I'm going to make a document of some of your long posts to print off and study more thoroughly. I'd like to know what lens to see it through.

 

[Johann]

Behold is not my teacher.

We are similar, but not the same. Basically we try to correct each other. LOL

As far as you, I just need to know your background. There is a big difference between reformed Baptist and Free will Baptist. I'm going to make a document of some of your long posts to print off and study more thoroughly.

Would that be to learn, come to a deeper knowledge of the Scriptures-and of Christ Jesus-or to try and refute or debunk?
I have a background--I have testimonies, not willing to share on a public Forum.
I would definitely lean toward Reformed Baptist-but not agreeing with the doctrine of election- there are some deeper aleithia/truth to be found-in the Scriptures and secondary resources.
That's all I want to know.
Later
Johann.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

No its Paul.

"God hath made Jesus to BE SIN...for us"... because "Jesus is the ONE TIME>....ETERNAL....sacrifice for Sin".

"being NOW ....made free.................from sin".....

Paui wrote all that, not Calvin.

Calvin took from the NT what fit his insane Cross limiting theology that is "pre-destined elect".... = Hellish nonsense.

Paul means literally free from the desire to sin, not just a covering of the blood of Jesus as we still commit willful sins against the Ten Commandments. Right?

 

[Johann]

Paul means literally free from the desire to sin, not just a covering of the blood of Jesus as we still commit willful sins against the Ten Commandments. Right?

Not willfully, but acts of missing the mark-sorry for jumping in.
Johann.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Not willfully, but acts of missing the mark-sorry for jumping in.
Johann.

I agree. Missing the mark would be a sin NOT unto death, and an immature fruit.

Sometimes I need Behold to clarify to understand how he interprets a Scripture.